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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: chambeshi on August 24, 2017, 06:14:38

Title: D850 official
Post by: chambeshi on August 24, 2017, 06:14:38
http://www.nikon.com/news/2017/0824_dslr_01.htm

https://youtu.be/bxWFUEmTH68

https://nikonrumors.com/category/nikon-d850/

US price: $3,296.95
Here is the full press release and list of primary features:


TOKYO - Nikon Corporation is pleased to announce the release of the D850, a Nikon FX-format digital SLR camera that optimizes the combination of high resolution and high-speed performance to set the standard for next-generation full-frame cameras for professional photographers and serious hobbyists across landscape, commercial sports, fashion and wedding genres, and multimedia content. Development of the D850 was announced on July 25, 2017.

The D850 has an effective pixel count of 45.7 megapixels, and supports the ISO 64-25600 range of standard sensitivities (expansion to Lo 1, ISO 32 equivalent and Hi 2, ISO 102400 equivalent is possible). The camera itself is capable of high-speed continuous shooting at approximately 7 fps*1, but when the optional MB-D18 Multi-Power Battery Pack is used, the rate increases to approximately 9 fps*1,*2. Adoption of the same high-speed, high-precision 153-point AF system used by the D5 gives the D850 greater certainty of capturing moving subjects. It has a new backside illumination Nikon FX-format CMOS sensor and the latest image-processing engine, EXPEED 5.

Movie capabilities have also been enhanced even further for multimedia content creators who wish to shoot both stills and videos. With the D850, Nikon introduces its own full-frame recording of 4K UHD (3840 x 2160)/30p movies, as well as 4x and 5x slow-motion movies*3 in Full HD. This will enable impressive expressions of movement in Full HD. In addition, the camera supports the creation of 8K time-lapse videos*4 from still images captured using interval timer photography, while also offering silent photography, and in-camera batch processing of RAW images, all of which demonstrate the strength of the D850 as a multimedia digital SLR.

From landscape, commercial sports, fashion, and wedding photography to multimedia applications, the D850, combined with the power of NIKKOR's extensive selection of lenses, greatly expands the possibilities for versatile imaging expression across a wide variety of photographic genres. Catering not only to professional photographers and serious hobbyists, the D850 also targets the hybrid photographers who require both photo and video qualities that play an equally important part in their work.

*1With continuous-servo AF, manual or shutter-priority auto exposure, a shutter speed of 1/250 s or faster, and other settings at default values.

*2When an EN-EL18b/EN-EL18a Rechargeable Li-ion Battery (available separately) is used. Optional BL-5 Battery Chamber Cover is required for use of the EN-EL18b/EN-EL18a.

*3Image quality is fixed at normal and image area is fixed at DX regardless of settings.

*4Requires third-party software for creation.

Primary Features
1.An effective pixel count of 45.7 megapixels and a new backside illumination Nikon FX-format CMOS sensor

The D850 is Nikon's first digital SLR camera to be equipped with a backside illumination CMOS sensor. Together with the camera's low-noise performance, this enables it to achieve a maximum standard sensitivity of ISO 25600 (with expansion up to Hi 2, ISO 102400 equivalent) despite its high pixel count, with incident light more effectively guided to the photodiodes. The same minimum standard sensitivity of ISO 64 (with expansion to Lo 1, ISO 32 equivalent) supported by the D810 is also offered by the D850, achieving an incredibly broad range of sensitivities. In addition, no optical low-pass filter means that the D850 is able to make the most of high-resolution NIKKOR lenses to produce extremely sharp and clear images. Images captured with the D850 can be enlarged up to A2 size* for printing, and even used for 8K digital signage displays.

*At 300 dpi.

2.High-speed continuous shooting at approximately 7 fps/9 fps captures motion

The D850 is equipped with a backside illumination CMOS sensor capable of high-speed readout of high-volume data, the EXPEED 5 image-processing engine that processes an incredibly large amount of information at high speed, and newly designed shutter and mirror mechanisms. These three features work together to enable high-speed continuous shooting at up to approximately 7 fps*1 with just the camera, and up to approximately 9 fps*1,*2 when the MB-D18 Multi-Power Battery Pack is used. What's more, up to approximately 51 14-bit or 170 12-bit (image size L) RAW images with lossless compression can be captured in a single burst of continuous shooting*3. Further, adoption of the same high-performance 153-point AF system used by the D5 ensures certain capture of intended subjects including those that are moving, in a wide variety of scenes, effectively expanding the practical range of this high-pixel-count camera.

*1With continuous-servo AF, manual or shutter-priority auto exposure, a shutter speed of 1/250 s or faster, and other settings at default values.

*2When an EN-EL18b/EN-EL18a Rechargeable Li-ion Battery (available separately) is used. Optional BL-5 Battery Chamber Cover is required for use of the EN-EL18b/EN-EL18a.

*3When a Sony QD-G64E XQD memory card and EN-EL15a/EN-EL15 are used with shooting at ISO 100.

3.Silent photography eliminates the sound of shutter release and mechanical vibrations with capture of 45-MP images

The D850 is equipped with a silent photography feature with which the image sensor performs operations normally performed by the mechanical shutter's front and rear curtains with live view photography, enabling silent capture of full-frame images. The sound of shutter release and mechanical vibrations are completely eliminated, making this an effective choice in situations when the sound of shutter release is distracting or impolite, as at a museum or wedding, or when mechanical vibrations are a concern, such as when photographing starscapes or heavenly bodies.

Note: In M (manual) or A (aperture-priority auto) exposure mode. In P (programmed-auto) or S (shutter-priority auto) exposure mode, the sound of aperture operation can be heard.

4.Nikon's first digital SLR camera to support full-frame 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) movie recording

The D850 supports full-frame, 4K UHD (3840 x 2160)/30p recording, allowing users to record movies that make the most of wide-angle lenses' broad angles of view, as well as the superior resolution at the edges of the frame exhibited by NIKKOR lenses. In addition, 4x and 5x slow-motion movies* can be recorded in Full-HD format (100- or 120-fps readout is recorded at 24p, 25p, or 30p). This enables dramatic expression of a moment's movement in slow motion. Further, the addition of a dedicated movie shooting menu, the ability to choose the format in which movies are recorded from MOV and MP4, and the ability to apply detailed settings for highlight display make the D850 a much more convenient way to record movies for multimedia users.

*Image quality is fixed at normal and image area is fixed at DX regardless of settings.

5.8K time-lapse video creation that makes the most of interval timer photography

The interval timer shooting function has been significantly enhanced with the D850. The interval timer shooting function is not only capable of recording still images (8256 x 5504) that can be used to create time-lapse movies with a frame size that exceeds that of the 8K format*1, but it also offers a silent photography option that can be enabled to capture a large volume of images without concern for the mechanical shutter wear. When silent interval timer photography and exposure smoothing options are enabled, not only are the variations in exposure between individual shots effectively suppressed, but the camera is also able to meter exposure with significantly less light than the -3 EV*2 that is minimally required. This makes it possible for photographers to use A (aperture-priority auto) exposure mode in situations where it is impossible to use manual exposure to capture a series of images, all of which exhibit optimal exposure, of the sky's transition from sunset to starry night sky or from starry night sky to sunrise, for example. The D850 also meets the requirements of professional time-lapse movie creation, offering fast, in-camera batch processing of a huge number of RAW images.

*1Requires third-party software for creation.

*2ISO 100, f/1.4 lens, 20°C/68°F, using matrix or center-weighted metering.

6.Other Features

Equipped with a 180K-pixel RGB sensor that greatly increases the precision and accuracy of automatically controlled functions, such as autofocus (AF), auto exposure (AE), and auto white balance (AWB)
Auto Picture Control, with which the camera automatically fine-tunes images in accordance with the scene
The new natural light auto white balance option that achieves more accurate color reproduction for a variety of scenes captured under natural lighting
RAW image size can be selected from large, medium*1, and small*1 depending upon how images will be used
A magnification of approximately 0.75x that enables a broad view has been achieved for the optical viewfinder
The convenient 8-cm/3.2-in., approximately 2359k-dot, tilting TFT touch-sensitive LCD monitor
A power-saving design that enables capture of approximately 1,840 shots or approximately 70 minutes of movie recording*2 on a single charge*3
A focus shift function that makes it easy to acquire the materials (shots) needed for the technique known as focus stacking*4, used to increase depth of field
A negative digitizer that makes it easy to convert color or black-and-white film negatives to digital data (JPEG)*5
Support for radio-controlled Advanced Wireless Lighting, which increases the flexibility of multi-flash photography
*1Recorded in 12-bit, lossless compressed format.

*2With testing in accordance with CIPA standards. Maximum length is 29 min. 59 s. with a single recording.

*3When an EN-EL15a/EN-EL15 Rechargeable Li-ion Battery is used.

*4Focus stacking requires third-party editing software.

*5The ES-2 Film Digitizing Adapter (available separately) is required.

*Specifications, design, product name and supplied accessories may differ by country or area. Specifications and equipment are subject to change without any notice or obligation on the part of the manufacturer.



Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2017/08/24/nikon-d850-officially-announced-us-price-3296-95.aspx/#ixzz4qduh3WvT
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Hugh_3170 on August 24, 2017, 06:43:00
Nikon Australia have announced the D850 availability at a pre-order price of $A5,043 (ex tax);  at current exchange rates this is around $US4,004.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Frank Fremerey on August 24, 2017, 06:43:26
Very nice. Just the camera I have been waiting for for a long time. Her and the D500 seem to be a perfect team!
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: chambeshi on August 24, 2017, 07:49:42
Very nice. Just the camera I have been waiting for for a long time. Her and the D500 seem to be a perfect team!
Absolutely! 45mp backside illuminated sensor at 7-9 frames/sec looks like it will indeed deliver unprecedented Dynamic-Range + high res images at speed. The Focus Peaking function is also intriguing, and the Focus-Shift for stacking. And the D850 has AF fine-tune

check out the Preview in Tokyo http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2017/08/24/the-nikon-d850-is-here-with-exclusive-details-from-nikon-tokyo

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d850/nikon-d850A.HTM#
NB > 17) Focus-shift settings decoded! 

Because focus and depth of field depends on the lens you're using and the distance to the subject, it's often confusing how large a step you should specify between shots, when using a feature like the D850's focus shift option to capture images for use in focus stacking. In the case of the D850, you can choose a number from 1 to 10, and we asked the Nikon engineers what those units corresponded to. The answer was that the finest gradation (a setting of 1) equates to a focus step equal to the lens focal length divided by 30. So with a 100mm lens, the smallest step would be a distance of 3.3mm, and the largest one 30mm."
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Akira on August 24, 2017, 08:03:26
Some images of the details posted on Impress-Watch (texts are all in Japanese):

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1077078.html

Notice the new slide copy kit released along with D850!   :o :o :o

Interestingly, the monocoque construction seen on D500, 750, 7500, D5x00, D3x00 was not employed on D850 because the 1/8000 FX shutter unit turned out to be difficult to build into the front body.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Erik Lund on August 24, 2017, 08:46:52
Looks like a very nice successor to the D810 ;) Looking forward to more details and images shot with the camera.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: richardHaw on August 24, 2017, 08:50:52
this is the studio pro's dream camera  :o :o :o
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Eddie Draaisma on August 24, 2017, 08:58:59
It has a new EN-EL15a (gray-coloured) battery, let's hope that these can be used in older Nikons and older EN-EL15's can still be used in the D850.

The relatively low US price might lead to a lot of gray import (export?) to other parts of the world.

It will be available from September 7th!
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Erik Lund on August 24, 2017, 09:12:55
Price point at release in Denmark is 30.000,- DK Kr including vat. That is about 4,750.- $
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: chambeshi on August 24, 2017, 09:13:42
Hands on presentation by Nikon Canada representative
https://youtu.be/eD0xBQGZ9hI
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: richardHaw on August 24, 2017, 09:32:05
That is about 4,750.- $

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on August 24, 2017, 09:33:06
Aha, Danish price is much lower than what Nikon wants us to pay back here in Norway. Perhaps I'll pick one up on a Copenhagen visit to Erik :D
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Eddie Draaisma on August 24, 2017, 09:39:23
Euro price including tax: EUR 3799, excluding 21% tax: EUR 3140; with current exchange rate equal to USD 3703...
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: richardHaw on August 24, 2017, 09:44:37
https://www.mapcamera.com/item/4960759149336

meanwhile, here in Japan... :o :o :o
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: MFloyd on August 24, 2017, 10:03:48
In Switzerland, one (upwards revised) price announcement by hawk.ch (official retailer) at CHF3'999 / €3'500 (attention Swiss VAT is only 8%).
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: MFloyd on August 24, 2017, 10:06:13
Very nice. Just the camera I have been waiting for for a long time. Her and the D500 seem to be a perfect team!

The D850, in Dx mode, has exactly the same resolution/ pixel pitch as the D500, making the latter redundant for a D850 user.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: chambeshi on August 24, 2017, 10:08:54
footage of handling the D850 is trickling out on to youtube from the official demos. Hopefully, we should see more thorough, objective reviews soon.
Solid ISO performance comparisons and tests of battery life and overheating will reveal 2 of the risk zones

DpReview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJqI3KyftE

B&H https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04HpoPkH7Rw

likely at Nikon UK launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wNKoR6e-6A
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: tommiejeep on August 24, 2017, 11:04:46
The D850, in Dx mode, has exactly the same resolution/ pixel pitch as the D500, making the latter redundant for a D850 user.
MF, I always shoot two cameras for Soccer , Events and birds so I can see selling D3S, D7100, D300s and just using Df, D500 and D850 for Nikons.   I've been very disappointed with the Sony a7rii for events.  AF is no where close to as fast and accurate as my D500 or even the Pen F.   I am a bit disappointed in the weight and do wish it would do 9 fps in Dx mode but it does , on paper, look the very best all-round camera available ( and very flexible  ;) ) .  No price in India yet.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Frank Fremerey on August 24, 2017, 11:26:33
The price for Germany is a hefty 3800€ incl 19% VAT, so it is 3079 Euro without VAT. 3300US$ ist 2800€ also without VAT. So ordering in the USA would save nearly 300€ for people who can deduct VAT. The US price plus import Tax for Germany is 3320€ delivered to my door in Germany.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Michael Erlewine on August 24, 2017, 11:44:29
I ordered a copy of the Nikon D850 and a couple of batteries. I would like to order the Nikon es-2 slide copier, which they mention for the Nikon D850, but I only see the Nikon es-1 slide copier for sale. Anyone know about this? Does the Es-1 work for the D850?
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: chris dees on August 24, 2017, 11:51:11
The price for Germany is a hefty 3800€ incl 19% VAT, so it is 3079 Euro without VAT. 3300US$ ist 2800€ also without VAT. So ordering in the USA would save nearly 300€ for people who can deduct VAT. The US price plus import Tax for Germany is 3320€ delivered to my door in Germany.
According to my calculations your math is a little bit of. :)
€3799 -/- 19% VAT = €3193 so the difference is even bigger.
Without 21% VAT it's even a little bit cheaper in Holland. ;D

I read somewhere B&H is not allowed by Nikon to send the D850 overseas. :(
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: chambeshi on August 24, 2017, 12:02:17
Adorama list the ES2 at US$139.95  https://www.adorama.com/inkes2.html?utm_source=rflaid63773
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: PeterN on August 24, 2017, 12:04:19
Besides the GAS-excitement, I am intrgued by the resolution and even more by the in-camera focus stacking. I bought the Olympus <43 specifically for that function for my watch photography. With this camera I am able to shoot both high-resolution and get a focus stacking function for immediate use. Tempting.Who wants to buy my D810 ;-)
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: chambeshi on August 24, 2017, 12:07:46
2 initial reviews but nothing substantive on the really novel D850 features, i.e. the focus-stacking

http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/nikon-d850-review-hands-on

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/nikon-d850

with jpg of a Giant eagle-owl taken at ISO 11400 http://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/SeV6kiGf8ZsKGKNBrALzJN.jpg
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: John Geerts on August 24, 2017, 12:24:38
Impressive Owl shot,  noise easy to 'repair'.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Fons Baerken on August 24, 2017, 12:37:25
Whois going to buy me one ;)
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 24, 2017, 13:08:27
The D850, in Dx mode, has exactly the same resolution/ pixel pitch as the D500, making the latter redundant for a D850 user.

I don't think so: the viewfinder should be less useful for the D850 and DX format.

Dave
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Fons Baerken on August 24, 2017, 13:14:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wNKoR6e-6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wNKoR6e-6A)
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 24, 2017, 13:22:09
FS: one kidney, left or right, your choice.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: chambeshi on August 24, 2017, 14:07:00
another review based on first handling of D850 at the UK launch earlier today, with more photos of the long suffering owl

https://www.ephotozine.com/article/nikon-d850-hands-on-review-31314

and this in USA
https://fstoppers.com/gear/nikon-announces-d850-yes-its-amazing-camera-191972

Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: bobfriedman on August 24, 2017, 14:42:51
Whois going to buy me one ;)

 I am waiting to about March/April to be sure it is bug free.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Fons Baerken on August 24, 2017, 15:02:28
FS: one kidney, left or right, your choice.

Thanks for the generous offer.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Fons Baerken on August 24, 2017, 15:03:09
I am waiting to about March/April to be sure it is bug free.

Wise thinking.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: Frank Fremerey on August 24, 2017, 15:11:55
According to my calculations your math is a little bit of. :)
€3799 -/- 19% VAT = €3193 so the difference is even bigger.
Without 21% VAT it's even a little bit cheaper in Holland. ;D

I read somewhere B&H is not allowed by Nikon to send the D850 overseas. :(

You are right. 3193,28€ without VAT instead of 3300 US$ which is 2800€ today. That is 400€ before taxes. A lot.
Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: MFloyd on August 24, 2017, 15:41:30
First video (I think) of an official test presentation with Kai W:

https://youtu.be/7wNKoR6e-6A

Title: Re: D850 official
Post by: jhinkey on August 24, 2017, 17:30:01
FS: one kidney, left or right, your choice.

Don't forget that your half your liver can be sold (it will grow back). :)