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Gear Talk => Other => Topic started by: Jørgen Ramskov on August 04, 2015, 13:45:48
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Hi.
I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread for the new release, which is supposed to be the last Windows version, there will be no Windows 11 according to Microsoft. Windows 10 will be updated continuously with both bug fixes and new features.
Reviews:
http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/
http://www.wired.com/2015/07/windows-10-review/
https://www.theverge.com/2015/7/28/9045331/microsoft-windows-10-review
How to install:
http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/07/how-to-do-a-clean-install-of-windows-10-from-windows-7-and-8/
MS changes your default browser:
http://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/07/windows-10-upgrade-resets-your-default-browser-to-edge-mozilla-is-very-unhappy/
Privacy issues:
http://boingboing.net/2015/08/03/windows-10-defaults-to-keylogg.html
http://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/
I'm personally using OS X, but I have upgraded a quite old Thinkpad to Windows 10 and the little bit I have used it so far, it seems pretty nice in general. I did run into an issue where I used the built in feature to reset the machine. It seemed to work and do the job but when it rebooted it wouldn't start again and I had to create a bootable USB key and do a re-install. I know I will get more time with Windows 10, if not only because I know there are at least 2 persons in the near family that will want my help upgrading at some point.
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Upgrade from Win 8 is a breeze. No app or driver reinstalls so far. Only had to reconnect to email servers etc.
The one big stupid thing with win 10 : the file explorer - the most fundamental tool is still the old fashioned one, and not suitable for tactile interfaces. I had to install a 3rd party one, using the Metro interface.
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The Notebook (i3 with Win7/x64) ran trough at once. The big (Core2Quad 9550 Win8.1/x64) one's installation
seemed to be stuck in a loop until a second ago.
Now something real happens. "Update is being configured 85% ready".
The update informs me that my Media Center will be uninstalled for good. Now I do not know how to watch DVDs.
89%
great to have summer holidays ... 97% .... then I have time to do such things ..... rebooot.
"Windows Upgrade is being executed ... 4% ...."
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Until somebody puts a gun to my head and forces me to install W10, I will stick to W7. It does everything I want it to do, and I see no reason at all to "upgrade".
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I fully understand you Bjørn. Windows 7 is a pretty nice, I certainly much prefer it compared to Windows 8 and 8.1. Windows 10, however, I'm not so sure. It's got some nice improvements under the hood. It uses less memory and it boots faster than Windows 7, not that boot time is critical. The Windows 10 interface seems to be a hybrid between Windows 7 and 8.
If you change your mind, you should do it within the next year as it's a free upgrade.
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Wow. That was fast. Not half an hour and win10 was installed
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Is it free if I want to do a clean install? If I decide to try it it will be on a brand new, empty SSD, or maybe on one of older computers. I will install W10 and all the programs and drivers I need, and see if it works. If it doesn't, I can swap to the old SSD and be up and running immediately. That's how I did when I decided I had to start using W7 instead of XP.
No way I will let Windows 10 overwrite my Win 7. I have too much computer experience to allow that :)
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I did backup my SSD to another SSD of the same size. Then I ran the update on the main SSD without risk. I can switch back in no time. You need to run the upgrade before you can run a clean install. Some sort of licence assurance I guess. But it seems to be quite clean and very time saving. I remember the upgrade to win8.1. Hunting for missing drivers for weeks.
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Jørgen, thanks for starting this useful thread.
My system is old now (5+ years), and I'm going to renew my PC as well as the printer. I will build myself an NUC form factor PC without any moving parts (SSD, no cooling fan). Now I'm waiting for all of my main apps to become compatible with Win10.
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Is it free if I want to do a clean install? If I decide to try it it will be on a brand new, empty SSD, or maybe on one of older computers. I will install W10 and all the programs and drivers I need, and see if it works. If it doesn't, I can swap to the old SSD and be up and running immediately. That's how I did when I decided I had to start using W7 instead of XP.
No way I will let Windows 10 overwrite my Win 7. I have too much computer experience to allow that :)
I have posted a link in the first post that describes the steps. You need to do an upgrade before you can do a clean install, it might be because it needs to register your current, valid install and upgrade the license to a Windows 10 license. Windows will also complain if you replace too much of the hardware on your machine, in which case you might be forced to call MS to get your machine activated again.
However, if you just want to test it you can install it without entering a license key and it will work for some time but I don't know how long before it will require a license key. Another option would be to make a complete image backup of your machine with something like clonezilla, then you would be able to restore your current system resonably quickly.
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Related info: On the launch day or the day after, I checked Lenovo's, Dell's and HP's websites for Windows 10 information (hardware compatibility and such) but I found practically nothing.
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I have upgraded both my laptop (i5 gen3, 4GB RAM, was Win7) and my desktop (i5 gen4, 16GB RAM, was Win8.1) and must say I'm pleased for now. There seems to be major speed improvements on both computers. I did process some files in Nikon NX-D on the laptop and with Afteshot PRO on the desktop prior to upgrading and the same proscessing after upgrade. The desktop nearly halved it's processingtime on my images, wich is very nice. Also, moving files around seems much more efficient now. And FLAC-encoding has gained significantly as well. And all my programs still work, all drivers seems to be ok, and no crashes so far. (Wich Aftershot PRO produced regularly on Win8.1)
So for now, I'm all in :)
-frank-
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From the list of backward steps :
- I found no way to hide the taskbar ==> permanent clutter. This is a step backward compared to both Win 7 and Win 8. Incredible. Found now workaround in Windows help. All the more incredible since any device (tablet or PC) do have a windows button reps. key to invoke, basically, the taskbar. So that key, which has been introduced ten years ago or so, is still looking for a justification.
EDIT : "hide the task bar automatically" is a proposed setting, but it does not work, at least on my M$ Surface laptop/tablet. It is apparently a bug, as the task bar would then hide parts of full screen windows (i.e. the system assumes that the task bar is hidden and sizes other windows accordingly, while in effect the task bar is displayed and hides parts of the application windows.)
- no way to display picks full screen and flip to the previous or next (using tactile screen or keyboard arrows), unless you hit "slideshow", but then you lose control.
- automatic re-orientation of screen according to orientation of device, most useful when displaying pics in portrait orientation, does not work on MS Surface
Fortunately it is still possible to have the welcome screen presenting applications by groups (as in Win eight), by forcing the device to start in tablet mode.
Maybe I'll find niceties, but none so far (note that I have been using Win 8 for two years, both on a M$ surface and a bigger laptop, with either keyboard and mouse or tactile screen - so the niceties already introduced by Win 8 do not count).
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I did not find much change from Win 8.1 so far. I usually do not hide the task bar.
Only thing that disturbs me is I paid 10 Euros for Mediacenter in Win8 to bring back the basic functionality
of DVD playback that was integrated in Win7. Now Media Center is gone and I have to use VLC and the like to watch
a movie. I guess this is not Microsofts fault but the EUs who forced Microsoft into the N versions. Without Media
Player that iy.
Another thought: Win10 is free for mobile device manufacturers. Win10 is distributed free of charge for every system
running Win7 and Win8. What is the business model?
Will Microsoft charge for new devices?
What happens if my current machine dies?
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Airy: What Surface model is it? Are you happy with it?
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Another thought: Win10 is free for mobile device manufacturers. Win10 is distributed free of charge for every system
running Win7 and Win8. What is the business model?
Will Microsoft charge for new devices?
It's only a free upgrade the first year. If you build a new machine, you have to buy a license. Longer term, Windows might become a subscription service. Would make sense considering they are saying this is the last Windows version.
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Airy: What Surface model is it? Are you happy with it?
Yes. I got the original Surface Pro. Win 8 and Surface pro were a good match. I have used the MS SUrface in both modes, tablet and PC, and was equally satisfied. Only the price point was too high - a marketing blunder I guess.
Win 10 usability on tablets is now less, while usability of Win 10 on conventional PCs with keyboard and mouse is not improved compared to Win 8 (I still fail to understand why market takeup of the Metro interface was so bad, and would tend to blame it on conservatism).
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I find Windows 8/8.1 to be a bit of a mess when using it with a keyboard and mouse. On a tablet I can easily see it working well but it is 2 quite different use cases. Furthermore, they didn't complete the job, half of the interface was/is still the old interface. You could change some settings with the new interface but with many, you needed to find the old control panel and do it there.
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I beg to disagree, which I am entitled to after two years of intensive usage.
With win 8, and without even involving any finger or tactile screen :
- Getting to an app is easier - windows key and one click
- if you forgot where to click, or if the app is missiing on the welcome screen, just type its name, it is not even needed to bring the search app in focus!
- inside an app, you get immediate access to common options with one dedicated key (on recent keyboards of course) or by swiping the right side with the mouse
The only significant "investment" with Win 8 is, organizing the welcome screen the way you want, not the way M$ wants, and M$ would let you do this. See attached example from my own laptop. Now with Win 10, we are back to the "desktop" where it is not even possible to group icons ! unless of course you invoke the "tablet" mode, inherited from Win 8.
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With a keyboard shortcut, there is even less clicking or writing .... I've been using that approach all the time for my main programs, from the days of Windows NT to today's Windows 7.
The desktop on every Windows version used by me (up to 7) has allowed user-defined placement of all icons/shortcuts. That implies you can minimise any mouse movement as well.
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Keyboard shortcuts are the fastest way of working. For example in Photoshop I have the whole range from F1 to F12 assigned to various tasks adapted to suit my workflow.
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A pity the Fxx keys are no longer accessible directly on recent keyboards.
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The entire discussion here in this thread shows people have different requirements of their machinery and operating system. I don't think there ever will be an OS that covers all functionality of its user community. It's more a question of whether one can live with the annoyances and still be productive.
All my PCs or laptops have Fxx keys.
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I really do not use the OS itself so often. The OS is to boot up the Applications I use like Photo Ninja, Firefox, Photoshop or Fast Stone. I like an OS to boot fast ... better not boot at all but be ready at once like Android is.
My High End Mainboard has so many extra functionality I do not really need that it boots really slow. My old ASUS-Notebook which died of RADEON-disease like another PC before was ready to work in 5 Seconds under Win8/x64.
My big machine still needs a felt minute to be ready (Boot, open a 30MB JPEG in Photoshop, all set to edit), that is not good. Next system will be a totally uncluttered mainboard and sure Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU.
I hate Power Management. My regime is: Switch on, use at full throttle, switch off.
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Let the machine(s) run 24/7. You avoid the booting bottleneck ... They are always available to help secure your photographic achievements :D
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FrankF :so you need an SSD machine...
BTW some good old things keep going strong. The task bar would not auto-hide. I rebooted and... there it works!
Now I am getting close to near-Win 8 ergonomics. Screen orientation is one of the still missing features...
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I have no problems with power management on my Macbook, I open the lid and it's pretty much instantly ready for use and when I'm done I close the lid and it goes hibernates.
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Also the case with my M$ Surface pro + Win 8, and with Win 10 it works equally well.
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Until somebody puts a gun to my head and forces me to install W10, I will stick to W7. It does everything I want it to do, and I see no reason at all to "upgrade".
Because Microsoft stopped the support for Windows 7 last Januari:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle?C2=14019 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle?C2=14019)
We deploy tons of Windows patches each month to fix some serious security vulnerabilities, I don't know about you but in these times I don't want every wannabe hacker out there being able to hack my computer and publish whatever personal stuff I have on my laptop. One wrong comment on a forum or website is nowadays enough for them to target you and ridicule you publicly, seen it happen too many times to ignore.
Besides, this is what I do for a living, scaring people into upgrading their software to supported versions so I had to bring this up to sleep well tonight :)
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The date that matters for Win7 is that extended support lasts until 1/14/2020, security fixes are covered until then.
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For companies only if you have a premier bling bling contract, not sure how it is for consumers though.
Would actually be interesting to know if Bjørn J can still download his patches?
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That's feature enhancements, security fixes will continue to be released until extended support ends so people on Windows 7 have a couple of years yet.
My father-in-law's laptop runs Windowns 7 and it is still getting a steady flow of updates.
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First attempt of installing Windows 10 to the test machine failed miserably. I probably choose the 'wrong' (sic) version of English: English(GB) instead of English (US) ... The setup wouldn't acknowledge my official Lenovo license code for Win7/64. When I tried the alternate method, skipping the code test and trying to install directly from the ISO image burnt to a DVD, the machine did some preliminary book-keeping, attempted a restart, and went dead. Reloaded the Win7/64 image from the backup and now have to wait for the 'mediacreator' to download some 5 GB of Win10 bloatware again for a renewed upgrade of the current OS.
The new Windows better be worth the ordeal or its longevity will be measured in minutes not years.
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On the other hand the upgrade Win 8 >Win 10 went well for me (heck, using a M$ laptop/tablet...). No need to re-install any app; even 3rd party apps would still run.
Of course M$ is further playing monopolistic tricks - for instance, Google search cannot be used by default because it does not comply with some sort of M$-defined search tool standard. Of course it is still possible to googlesearch from inside a navigator.
Also, the tablet mode is just good enough to soothe the Win8-supporters (me).
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First attempt of installing Windows 10 to the test machine failed miserably. I probably choose the 'wrong' (sic) version of English: English(GB) instead of English (US) ... The setup wouldn't acknowledge my official Lenovo license code for Win7/64. When I tried the alternate method, skipping the code test and trying to install directly from the ISO image burnt to a DVD, the machine did some preliminary book-keeping, attempted a restart, and went dead. Reloaded the Win7/64 image from the backup and now have to wait for the 'mediacreator' to download some 5 GB of Win10 bloatware again for a renewed upgrade of the current OS.
The new Windows better be worth the ordeal or its longevity will be measured in minutes not years.
From what I understand, you can't do a clean install and use your Windows 7 license key there, you need to let Windows upgrade your current install, which will check your current install and activate it for Windows 10 using a new license key. When your Windows 10 has been activated, you can do a clean install and it should automatically be recognised and activated. As previously mentioned that worked without a hitch on my old Thinkpad. What didn't work was the built in "reset" feature.
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I tried an upgrade, but from a downloaded installation media DVD. Didn't work.
Now, I'm taking the slow way by letting the Mediacreator download a new installation each time, which of course is a massive waste of resources and bandwidth, unless Microsoft should happen to have shares in my ISP company ...
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That does seem odd, hopefully you'll have more luck this time.
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Nope. The upgrade will not accept my legit Lenovo key code. Tried several and none work.
Oh well. I leave this junk in the gutter where it belongs for now.
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Bjorn, had you received the notification to book Windows 10 and subsequent messages? My wife lost her Hard drive a few months back (Vista!) so we installed, clean install, Windows 7 (both my son and I are using Win 7) . It took forever to get all of her programs installed fro separate hard drive and working properly . She received the 'book it' message and today we just clicked on the icon in the taskbar. Took an hour and 30 minutes and everything is working as it should.
My son did not want to lose WinMediaPlayer but it is an App in Windows 10. I'll upgrade the desk top tomorrow but leave the laptop Windows 7 for the moment .
Cheers,
Tom
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That is odd and annoying, particularly when reading things like this: http://www.winbeta.org/news/pirates-reportedly-upgrade-windows-10-non-genuine-windows-and-remain-activated
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I'm on my fourth or fifth download of Windows 10. Everything about installing it is just plain stupid. My stubbornness kicks in, though.
Had the harebrain programmers behind this software been working in the USSR, they would have been deported to Siberia long time ago. Perhaps we lost more than the Wall back in '89 and the subsequent years.
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On the sixth (!)* attempt, I managed to hammer in Windows 10 on my test machine. Well, sort of, as the install refused to use the existing video driver(s) from win7/64 already present so the screen is garbled, neither wi-fi nor sound works, and I lost my printer.
* each attempt downloads 3 GB of install media, over and over again, although the media files already are present on the PC. A hallmark of "artificial intelligence" I presume.
Oh, and how could I forget to mention the machine now is glacial slow?
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You certainly have the worst windows 10 upgrade experience I've seen so far.
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Could someone tell me where to find Win10 drivers for gretag McBeth/x-rite i1 display 2?
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Could someone tell me where to find Win10 drivers for gretag McBeth/x-rite 1i display 2?
It's a discontinued product, and xrite don't even support drivers for Win8. Their recommendation is to buy a new calibrator....
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It's a discontinued product, and xrite don't even support drivers for Win8. Their recommendation is to buy a new calibrator....
Bad news >:( It would have been better not to upgrade.
But thanks for the info.
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Try installing drivers for Win 7.
That is what I had to do in order to get my video, sound, wi-fi, and printer functional again. The endearing part of the affair is that win10 install refused to have anything to do with these (already existing) drivers when it hammered in the update from win7 to 10. Makes you really love Microsoft, doesn't it?
Now busy, apparently for days to come, to remove or deactivate all the mess and unwanted 'features' foisted upon me by win10. It is very clear that either you give your soul and trust to Microsoft, or be damned. It is the Internet Explorer story over again. OneDrive, for example, is "integrated" so cannot be removed ?? What on Earth would I want to have Xbox games integrated in my OS? and so it goes. The GUI is horrible and even the ability of making the active title bar stand out in a different colour is now gone.
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Hindsight: Always check availability for all the drivers you need before upgrading the operating system :)
But I understand it is possible to roll back to the old OS within 30 days after upgrading.
I used XP until more than a year after Win 7 was released before I installed it. Both for driver availability and to be sure most major bugs were fixed. And when I install a new OS I never perform an upgrade over the old one, I always install from scratch on an empty drive.
So far there is nothing in Win 10 that could persuade me to start using it, there is nothing I need.
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In my case I had set aside a test machine with freshly created Win7/64 loaded onto it, then cloning the hard drive to a backup drive. I tried a clean install of Win10 to another blank drive, but never got that working, so resorted to 'upgrading' from the fresh Win7. Returning from Win10 to 7 would take a few minutes by swapping disks.
I'm now occupied in trying out basic software under W10. So far it looks quite good, but the GUI is making me crazy so first I have to find ways to rectify the situation. Imagine the mess on a desktop when there is nothing to indicate which windows is the active one?
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To correct my post above, I can't believe my eye, so to speak: my eye-one is working like a breeze without further ado. Can it be that Win10 is using the driver from Win7 just like that?
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Probably, if the software existed on your machine prior to the upgrade to win10.
Or just reinstall iMatch - should do the trick.
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Does anyone know if the old Nikon Capture NX 2 still works in Win10? It will never be officially supported for sure...
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To correct my post above, I can't believe my eye, so to speak: my eye-one is working like a breeze without further ado. Can it be that Win10 is using the driver from Win7 just like that?
Just remember that if you have a hardware-calibrated monitor you should not install the calibration software from xrite - only the USB-driver so Windows can recognize the device. For calibration you must install the software from the monitor manufacturer.
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Does anyone know if the old Nikon Capture NX 2 still works in Win10? It will never be officially supported for sure...
Yes it still works
Cheers
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My calibration was saved, only little adjustment necessary. Also the i1Display2 and i1Match3 still do theit job. Unusual for a driver graphics change, all the more unusual for an OS upgrade. Good Job Microsoft!
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Or just reinstall iMatch - should do the trick.
iMatch worked without tricks till win7. For Win8 and Win8.1 a little trick is required: You have to get the i1-driver from a third party that comes with third party software. I did use the driver included in the test package of Basiccolor. X-Rite does not support Win8+.
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Could someone tell me where to find Win10 drivers for gretag McBeth/x-rite i1 display 2?
http://www.basiccolor.de/en/
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Does anyone know if the old Nikon Capture NX 2 still works in Win10? It will never be officially supported for sure...
Yes it still works
Thanks a lot Bez. I suppose I will give it a try soon then...
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Most existing software (win7/8) will follow over into Win10. The issue is getting the stuff installed under 10 if it didn't exist previously. In Win10, you need digitally signed drivers which can be an issue for legacy soft- or hardware. Plus some software checks for OS compatibility before allowing itself to be installed. In such cases, running the program in a VM is the easier option.
It is possible to enforce non-signed drivers being accepted by some insider tricks during the booting stage. Better understood by searching for the procedure steps than writing a long description myself.
I got my Xrite device up and running in this manner on the W10 test box .
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Just remember that if you have a hardware-calibrated monitor you should not install the calibration software from xrite - only the USB-driver so Windows can recognize the device. For calibration you must install the software from the monitor manufacturer.
I don't understand what you mean. I've been using drivers from xrite, since gretag mcbeth did not support Win7. It's been working fine, and it still does. By hardware calibration you mean the different settings on the actual display, right? Contrast, brightness, white balance. When that is set, the software does the fine tuning and creates a profile. Am I wrong here?
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Thanks, by the way, Frank Fremerey!
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Thanks, by the way, Frank Fremerey!
It caused me some headache first and I really really wanted to buy the Basiccolor software.
They do not allow to shop like anyone else does but you have to drop them an Email begging to pay for the App.
I went so far as to kneel down and beg to pay 100 Euros for their Ones and Zeros but they never even answered.
Then I found I could extract the drivers needed from their testsoftware or some Service ZIP. And the wonder happended
. IMatch accepted the alien drivers and works
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Most existing software (win7/8) will follow over into Win10. The issue is getting the stuff installed under 10 if it didn't exist previously. In Win10, you need digitally signed drivers which can be an issue for legacy soft- or hardware. Plus some software checks for OS compatibility before allowing itself to be installed. In such cases, running the program in a VM is the easier option.
It is possible to enforce non-signed drivers being accepted by some insider tricks during the booting stage. Better understood by searching for the procedure steps than writing a long description myself.
I got my Xrite device up and running in this manner on the W10 test box .
Where did you acquire this interesting insight?
A link to read more would more than welcome.
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Such advice is scattered all over the internet.
One example is here
http://www.howtogeek.com/167723/how-to-disable-driver-signature-verification-on-64-bit-windows-8.1-so-that-you-can-install-unsigned-drivers/
It's targeted for Win 8, but the principle is the same in Win 10 (which, after all, is akin to Win 8.3)
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Just remember that if you have a hardware-calibrated monitor you should not install the calibration software from xrite - only the USB-driver so Windows can recognize the device. For calibration you must install the software from the monitor manufacturer.
I don't understand what you mean. I've been using drivers from xrite, since gretag mcbeth did not support Win7. It's been working fine, and it still does. By hardware calibration you mean the different settings on the actual display, right? Contrast, brightness, white balance. When that is set, the software does the fine tuning and creates a profile. Am I wrong here?
Some monitors designed for image editing are so-called hardware calibrated. It means that when you perform a calibration, you calibrate the monitor itself. With standard monitors you calibrate the graphics card. I think Eizo and NEC eas among the first to incorporate hardware calibration in monitors.
A display calibration device such as xrite comes with two software apps. One is the USB-driver for Windows to recognize the device. The other is the calibration software. If you have a hardware calibrated monitor it is important that you do not install the calibration software, you must instead install the software from the monitor manufacturer.
But you have to install the USB-driver so your computer can recognize the calibrator device.
What monitor are you using? I can help you find out if it is hardware calibrated.
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Oh, I see. No, I have a somewhat lower end Eizo, but I'd shure like to get my hands on a better one. It's on my wish list. What monitors can you recommend, Bjørn J? 24' is ok, but 27 would be lovely.
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Oh, I see. No, I have a somewhat lower end Eizo, but I'd shure like to get my hands on a better one. It's on my wish list. What monitors can you recommend, Bjørn J? 24' is ok, but 27 would be lovely.
Right now I think the best compromise between price and performance is the Eizo ColorEdge CS270:
http://www.eizo.se/default.aspx?page=11&product=CS270-BK (http://www.eizo.se/default.aspx?page=11&product=CS270-BK)
Price is between 11-12.000 SEK. It's a hardware-calibrated 27-inch with 2560x1440 resolution, specifically designed for photographic work. Unfortunately, like too many monitors it has 16:9 aspect ratio. 16:10 is more practical, but they tend to be expensive if you want high resolution.
For a less expensive alternative the ColorEdge CS240 is a great choice. Also hardware calibrated, 24-inch, resolution 1920x1200, aspect ratio 16:10. For 6500.- SEK I doubt you will find a better monitor.
http://www.eizo.se/default.aspx?page=11&product=CS240-BK (http://www.eizo.se/default.aspx?page=11&product=CS240-BK)
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Thank you, Bjoern J! That's very kind of you. I didn't know the 24 inch CS had fallen that low in price.
Sorry about the change of topic, guys. I'll behave from now on.
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My cousin upgraded her cheap HP laptop running Windows 7 to Windows 10 the other day. Besides having to do a reboot to install a few missing Windows 7 updates, it was entirely uneventful. No issues at all.
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I am happily running Windows 7. Although there is a constant message I need to upgrade to Windows 10, which I ignore, suddenly the message is different.
Apparently I MUST upgrade to Windows 10, and they already planned a date as well. How to get rid of these ridiculous warnings? How can I kill and terminate for good that Windows10 upgrader?
Sorry message is in Dutch, but the date is clear ...
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Check your setup for Windows updates and patches (Control Panel). Apparently it has been set to Automatic Update?
You should open the dropdown list and select "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"
That 200 millions have selected an option is not a recommendation in itself ...
Do read carefully about the hidden "Gotcha" that Microsoft has smuggled into the first time installation/upgrade to Windows 10. If you don't select the Customised option at this very stage, you can never stop further automatic Windows updates. The software team must have earned bonuses by coming up with such an insidious scheme to trap users.
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I looked though the optional windows updates last night and at least two of the later ones was supposed to "make it easier to upgrade to Windows 10" - No thanks!
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Thanks Øivind and Bjørn.
I assumed I had turned-off the automatic updates, which wasn't the case apparently and changed this immediately into-- alway ask. For me the strongest possible warning is '200 million already installed it' ;)
Discovered something else; not sure this works properly:
In case the Windows 10 notification has accidently been installed and prompting you to upgrade, or even worse, confronting you with a date and time that W10 will be installed, whether you like it or not.
In case it is NOT...
*Open task manager by ctrl+alt+del
*Open the tab 'processes'
*Find GWX.exe, right-click and pick 'open file location'
*In the file location, what should have an URL like C//.../Windows/System32, you will find FWX.exe and some little brothers. Check the date that it was installed.
*Open the Controlpanel and find the 'Installed Windows Updates' in the Maintainance section.
*Find the Windows update with the same date as the GWX.exe that you had found.
*Right-click this Windows update and remove it.
*The computer will tell you it may take some minutes and that it needs a restart
*After this restart, including a few minutes of windows configuring itself, GWX.exe and its brothers are gone.
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http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/windows/how-stay-on-windows-7-8-forever-3614204/ seems to provide a guide and more.
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Thanks Jørgen, that link is very interesting and helpful.
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I started installing the new insider preview .... 10.25 CEST .... now at 89%
I got my old system on a second SSD. Would be online in one boot if need be.
22% after reboot 10 Minutes into the process
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I do not think staying at win7 is a sensible option. Esp not after the security update phase has elepsed.
What you can do if you want to keep a way back is clone win7 to a second bootable SSD and safely store it.
Then install win10 in your current drive, see that it is better in every respect .... might take a while ....
Then use tze second SSD for something more useful.
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The user interface to win10 has this glaring error only Microsoft could commit. No indication of what window is the currently active one. All title bars are white as the driven snow. I downloaded a hack that only half-heartedly attempts to correct the stupid error. For now, win10 can wait until Microsoft get their act together. I do keep a test machine with Win10 on which I can try out all software used elsewhere on my network. That has to suffice for the time being.
Win10 suffers from the same disconnect bug that plagues win7, unless you alter various obscure settings of the network adapter(s). Another stupid Microsoft error.
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install successfully completed. posting from the system... keep you updated ...
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The user interface to win10 has this glaring error only Microsoft could commit. No indication of what window is the currently active one. All title bars are white as the driven snow. I downloaded a hack that only half-heartedly attempts to correct the stupid error. For now, win10 can wait until Microsoft get their act together. I do keep a test machine with Win10 on which I can try out all software used elsewhere on my network. That has to suffice for the time being. Win10 suffers from the same disconnect bug that plagues win7, unless you alter various obscure settings of the network adapter(s). Another stupid Microsoft error.
sure you tried all the settings in setting. I positively know zthat until yesterday there was an option to show the active windows in the task bar (with optional preview).
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sure you tried all the settings in setting. I positively know zthat until yesterday there was an option to show the active windows in the task bar (with optional preview).
That is something entirely different, Frank. While the 'feature' works, it is pretty much useless in practice.
On all earlier Windows version, the active window was clearly indicated by the changed colour of its *title* bar. Plus the appearance of the title text changed to indicate it was active.
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That is something entirely different, Frank. While the 'feature' works, it is pretty much useless in practice.
On all earlier Windows version, the active window was clearly indicated by the changed colour of its *title* bar. Plus the appearance of the title text changed to indicate it was active.
Now I got you. I will go, check the color theme options for you.
You think the bar on to of the active window should be of a different colr that the bar on a non active window? I think so too.
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Update: The new built caused Adobe CS3 Design Standard to require new "repair" activation. It needed a reboot to get the activation to work properly, but now everything is fine.
Only thing I use og the CS§ is Indesign occasionally and Distiller / Acrobat 8.3.1 daily
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Hm, Bjørn.
Feature works for me: Color for activation free choice & active window free color choice. You can of course set both to "snow white" if you prefer that.
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OK, you are on an Insider version. This is not the mainstream version I'm using. Meaning that Microsoft has finally yielded to customers' massive complaint about the stupid error of the title bars, but we of the mainstream will have to wait maybe a few more months to get the update. If it arrives at all. With Microsoft you can never know.
I initially ran a an Insider version in a virtual machine and it had the 'normal' colour scheme showing a difference of active vs inactive windows. I removed this installation because it became unstable due to all the remaining bugs and foreced updates. Then, after win10 was officially launched, installed the 'normal' version on a test machine. Poof now the coloured difference active vs passive windows had disappeared and according to Microsoft this was a necessary 'feature'.
I hope you selected a custom update option otherwise Microsoft will run automatic updates of which you cannot reserve against the unwanted ones. Plus they mine your computer for information and send the data back to Redmont. Don't be surprised if a feature you rely on today is gone tomorrow.
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Update: There was an error migrating the old HP Laserjet 1020. Uninstalling the printer and letting windows find the driver again did the trick. The problem could have been caused by a hardware thing also. The printer was cascaded on a PCI-E addon card for USB 3.0 and a 7-Port USB 3.0 Hub behind that. During the procedure that cost me 30 Minutes I reconfigured the USB 3.0 Hardware to only use the Mainboard outlets (only four, pity).
Bjørn: I do not remember having seen the problem in the November update. I do not recall how Win 10 original version dealt with that problem, sorry.
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We must have different ways of working. I never noticed the active window had a different color. Win 10 is quite satisfactory for me. We should see a new & improved build in a few months.
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I don't use Windows as my primary OS (I use OS X), but I think it is in general a nice improvement over Windows 7 and certainly better than Windows 8.
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I am still longing for the better accessibility to seldom used apps in Win 8, and above all the near perfect integration of OneDrive / SkyDrive (with placeholders, so you could at least see the entire file catalogue even offline). The latter key feature has not yet been restored...
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Hi you!
Windows 10 Insider Preview 14388 successfully installed!
They did remove all "Preview" signs visible on the desktop.
The last few builds ran flawlessly (I received 2 or 3 per week!)
My guess is that the roll out of Win10 anniversary release is very near.
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That is something entirely different, Frank. While the 'feature' works, it is pretty much useless in practice.
On all earlier Windows version, the active window was clearly indicated by the changed colour of its *title* bar. Plus the appearance of the title text changed to indicate it was active.
You can turn this back on. Right-click on desktop, choose "Personalize". In the Personalization window, choose Colors. Scroll down and you will see a button labeled "Show color on Start, taskbar, action center, and title bar" Turn this on, and your active window title bar will be colored again. Unfortunately, so will the other components mentioned which you may not like, but at least you have some kind of option. You'll have to decide if indicating the active window is worth changing the color of these other components as well. Personally, I find the result ugly and I hadn't noticed the change to the active window title bar behavior until I read this thread, so I'll probably leave it turned off.
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The "improvement" doesn't work very well as in practice, one gets the same appearance of [nearly] all title bars, only with the title text being faded out as the window is inactivated.
The range of colours to be assigned is very limited as well and there is no gradient fill (although the support variables are found in the Registry ...). Also not mentioned is that if you try to tweak the title bar settings following the advices floating around on web sites, every time you toggle the "Show color on Start, taskbar, action center, and title bar" option, ALL your modifications are lost.
However, the nasty "all white" title bars have gone. A relief. But wait, no, hey, still are there for programs doing their own colour management of the title bars. Ouch.
Some existing programs might be removed from your machine silently and without any prior warning. As most of these can be re-installed later, I fail to understand the rationale, must be an internal Redmont joke brought to bear on a wider audience.
For this "improvement" one has to download 3 GB. Really is the equivalent of a full-sized service pack, only that Microsoft now stopped calling this what it really is. They ought to admit that Win10 is a half-hearted, half-finished product.
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The "improvement" doesn't work very well as in practice, one gets the same appearance of [nearly] all title bars, only with the title text being faded out as the window is inactivated.
Not sure what you mean by this or how it is different from previous versions. As far as I know, windows has always grayed out the title text of inactive windows. I've attached a piece of a screen shot from my machine. Are you seeing something different from this?
The range of colours to be assigned is very limited as well and there is no gradient fill (although the support variables are found in the Registry ...). Also not mentioned is that if you try to tweak the title bar settings following the advices floating around on web sites, every time you toggle the "Show color on Start, taskbar, action center, and title bar" option, ALL your modifications are lost.
Not surprising as the tweaks and the toggle are editing the same registry entries. Lack of gradient fill option is probably due a lack of use by most windows users.
However, the nasty "all white" title bars have gone. A relief. But wait, no, hey, still are there for programs doing their own colour management of the title bars. Ouch.
Again, not surprising. However, this is a issue with the application manufacturer, not Windows. As a software developer, Microsoft gives you the ability to take complete control of all aspects of a window - both the client and non-client areas. However, if you choose to control the appearance of the non-client areas, then you are also responsible for responding correctly when the user changes color settings. Whenever the user changes something like this, there is a system message sent to every running application on the system, so correct response is quite possible.
Some existing programs might be removed from your machine silently and without any prior warning. As most of these can be re-installed later, I fail to understand the rationale, must be an internal Redmont joke brought to bear on a wider audience.
For this "improvement" one has to download 3 GB. Really is the equivalent of a full-sized service pack, only that Microsoft now stopped calling this what it really is. They ought to admit that Win10 is a half-hearted, half-finished product.
Very surprising. Since my machine came with Windows 10 pre-installed, I can't really comment on this other than to say I've never seen Windows upgrade from one version to another without issues. The more existing software you have installed, the more likely an upgrade will have problems.
Strange,
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Like this, after much fiddling around before I admitted defeat and let Win10 use its default settings. The "all-white" title bars gone together with a couple of my own programs (re-installed later).
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I turned off the transparent titlebars on my system, although I can't remember how I did it now. And what's up with that FileMgr in the background?? That dates back to Windows 3.1. Not surprised it doesn't play well on the new system. You are of course correct that customizing Windows has become more and more difficult with each release. I believe this is largely due to the fact that most Windows customers don't care about these things and don't want to learn how to change things. It's probably just not worth Microsoft's effort to continue to maintain the advanced options while still providing a simplified interface as there are too few people who use the advanced features.
Unfortunately, every feature has a cost and must be justified by revenue.
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Here's another little tidbit just in case you haven't found it yet. If you right-click on the start menu, you get a context menu with picks that bring up many of the familiar Windows 7 items, such as the old control panel, device manager, etc..
Not very discoverable and a poor UI choice IMO.
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File Manager is the best and most straight-forward tool for the job Microsoft ever produced and it runs perfectly on all Windows, no problem at all. You just have to use the correct installation package, which easily is found on the 'net. It runs rings around any Explorer in terms of sheer speed, too.
I dislike all the enforced silly "My xxxx" and Library structures Microsoft tries to push us into as my ideas of disk management are strongly at variance with this.
I'm familiar with the right-clicked Start Menu. Some parts of Windows always have existed silently, like the double-click on the window icon to close it (a substitute for Alt+F4 in fact). This has existed since the early '90s at least. In fact, that feature is older than the Start Menu itself.
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Same scenario as the screen dump from my win10 machine, but this time from one of the win7 work stations. One sees at a quick glance immediately what is going on. I do move from one work station to another throughout the day and really appreciate the clarity of the UI win7 provides. Very intuitive and helpful.
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File Manager is the best and most straight-forward tool for the job Microsoft ever produced and it runs perfectly on all Windows, no problem at all. You just have to use the correct installation package, which easily is found on the 'net. It runs rings around any Explorer in terms of sheer speed, too.
I dislike all the enforced silly "My xxxx" and Library structures Microsoft tries to push us into as my ideas of disk management are strongly at variance with this.
I'm familiar with the right-clicked Start Menu. Some parts of Windows always have existed silently, like the double-click on the window icon to close it (a substitute for Alt+F4 in fact). This has existed since the early '90s at least. In fact, that feature is older than the Start Menu.
Yes, the double-click on the window icon dates from Windows 1.0.
Explorer can be slow due to the inclusion of so much stuff in there that's not on your file system. I find that setting it to run each explorer window in its own process helps as this prevents a frozen explorer window from interfering with other explorer windows. The other problem with explorer is the fact that it allows 3'rd parties to install hooks in it. There are a large number of these 3'rd party addons that can greatly slow explorer down, especially the right-click menu. Truthfully, I'm a command line guy at heart, so I rarely navigate my file system with explorer. I use the command line instead. I also use a much better shell than cmd.exe called "Hamilton C-Shell". This is a unix csh-like implementation that rather than being a port, was written from the ground up for Windows by a former Microsoft developer. I bought it back in the early 90's and have been getting free updates ever since. If you're a command line person, its well worth checking out. It's expensive to buy, but has a free trial version.
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Same scenario as the screen dump from my win10 machine, but this time from one of the win7 work stations. One sees at a quick glance immediately what is going on. I do move from one work station to another throughout the day and really appreciate the clarity of the UI win7 provides. Very intuitive and helpful.
Truthfully, I haven't liked the customization options since Microsoft introduced themes. I liked the old customization UI much better where you could control all aspects of your window decorations.
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I'm first and foremost a "visual clues" guy. That is why I dislike the idea of having a standardised UI enforced upon me.
My Linux boxes provide all the pleasures of commando line operation I can wish for.
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Overall, I find I like Windows 10. Compared to Windows 7, some things are better, some are worse, and many are indifferent.
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When Windows 10, eventually, is a finished product, I will consider it.
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My biggest beef with Windows 10 is the removal of the XP-Mode license. I have an XP-mode virtual machine that runs under VMWare that I can no longer run. I can understand Microsoft removing XP-mode from Windows 10, but they should have left the license there so an existing XP-mode VM can still run.