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Gear Talk => What the Nerds Do => Topic started by: PedroS on January 08, 2017, 22:30:33

Title: PB-4 electrified
Post by: PedroS on January 08, 2017, 22:30:33
Done with Kenko rings. They are not perfect but enough for this try... and must say successful final result.
When I coupled all, realized that the 60mm micro AFS didn't work at all... bear in mind that electrical signal must flow through lens mount, some sort as "earth" line. Strange enough as the 105mm micro didn't need it.
I had to disassemble everything and made another contact through the mounting bases.

Don't dislike the final result, even if the rings would be better if smaller.

Title: Re: PB-5 electrified
Post by: Nasos Kosmas on January 08, 2017, 22:56:31
Very nice idea  and the remaining extra conducts for other project
Recently i dis-malt for repair an 35 1.8 DX  and i notice another contact that goes to the metal  F mount of the lens, its good to know that without this conduct nothing is working :)
Title: Re: PB-5 electrified
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on January 08, 2017, 23:18:44
Isn't this a PB-4 bellows?
Title: Re: PB-5 electrified
Post by: Akira on January 08, 2017, 23:27:12
Neat job, Pedro!  I wonder if there is another remaining wire in the multi-cable for grounding the mount?
Title: Re: PB-5 electrified
Post by: PedroS on January 08, 2017, 23:41:17
Isn't this a PB-4 bellows?

Of course... thanks
Title: Re: PB-5 electrified
Post by: PedroS on January 08, 2017, 23:42:28
Neat job, Pedro!  I wonder if there is another remaining wire in the multi-cable for grounding the mount?

Thanks Akira.

Not on those Kenkos.
Need to wired them...
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: Hugh_3170 on January 09, 2017, 13:45:06
Nice work Doctor S!

How flimsy/flexible are the plastic Kenko body tubes and are their metal bayonets and lens mounts a good fit?

Thanks in anticipation.
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: PedroS on January 09, 2017, 14:02:20
Thanks Hugh

The Kenko metal parts are ok, and provide a good fit.
Flexibility is due to weaker spring holder system and plastic body.
The Kenko normally comes with three rings (12, 20 and 36mm).
Smallest is ok, the medium ok-, and the longer is bad.
Stacked? Forget it.

Only really usable if used with light lenses.
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: Hugh_3170 on January 09, 2017, 14:39:28
Thanks Pedro.

Your feedback has confirmed my suspicions.  I am thinking out loud here, but maybe the Kenkos could at least serve as a source of electrical parts for electrifying Nikons metal extension rings.
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: Erik Lund on January 09, 2017, 15:25:00
Well done Pedro ! :)
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: PedroS on January 09, 2017, 15:44:25
Thanks Pedro.

Your feedback has confirmed my suspicions.  I am thinking out loud here, but maybe the Kenkos could at least serve as a source of electrical parts for electrifying Nikons metal extension rings.

I have looked at that possibility too. But the way Kenko electrical parts are done and attached are not easy adapted to Nikon extension rings. Extensive lathe work has to be done, but I have not yet rest this case, thought.
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: Erik Lund on January 09, 2017, 16:08:24
Thanks Pedro.

Your feedback has confirmed my suspicions.  I am thinking out loud here, but maybe the Kenkos could at least serve as a source of electrical parts for electrifying Nikons metal extension rings.

Even though it might be more expensive in cash, it is by far much 'cheaper' in man-hours to just remove the glass form for instance a TC-E14, 17 or 20
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: PedroS on January 09, 2017, 16:12:32
Even though it might be more expensive in cash, it is by far much 'cheaper' in man-hours to just remove the glass form for instance a TC-E14, 17 or 20

You're right Erik.
But still need to connect both TCs with electrical wire...
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: Erik Lund on January 09, 2017, 16:35:49
You're right Erik.
But still need to connect both TCs with electrical wire...

I was referring only to this:

Thanks Pedro.

,,,, for electrifying Nikons metal extension rings.

Which would be an almost impossible task due to the aperture guides in the rings,,,
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: richardHaw on January 09, 2017, 17:02:11
this is very smart :o :o :o
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: PedroS on January 14, 2017, 10:07:45
Which would be an almost impossible task due to the aperture guides in the rings,,,

Have to look at them in a different perspective.
As we just need either male or female contacts on each of them, maybe... later I'll do all the measurements needed and bring here the answer.
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: Erik Lund on January 14, 2017, 11:09:05
For the Bellows it's better to have the contacts in the Bellows mount directly, the build length is then the original.
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: PedroS on January 14, 2017, 21:18:54
Have some unexpected free time today and way I went measuring and seeing for alternatives.

And there are some, not sure if I'll went to do them, but let's share...

It feasible to arrange the contacts in the bellows directly, but, doing that, at least with the PB-4 we'll loose the chance to turn the camera to portrait. Here, and to accommodate a full sized body at least 10-12mm era needed. So no change here, let alone the Kenko one. Or try to electrify a PK-11, not easy at all, but doable with lathe work or some 3D printing.

At the front much more freedom is available and any type of extension is feasible. Again some will need lathe or 3D work to be adapted, or go with the smallest available, a Kenko 12 or a Movo 10mm.
Maybe I'll try the Movo...
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: BW on January 14, 2017, 21:47:15
I'm really impressed by your innovative and creative abillities. Kudos!
Title: Re: PB-4 electrified
Post by: PedroS on January 14, 2017, 22:04:05
I'm really impressed by your innovative and creative abillities. Kudos!

Thanks!