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Gear Talk => What the Nerds Do => Topic started by: Macro_Cosmos on November 13, 2016, 10:49:03
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Hey yall nerds! I'm one too!
I purchased this fisheye lens some time ago after testing all the other ones that Nikon and third parties offer, I found this one to be the very best! The one downside though is close-focusing capability, but I have my laowa 12mm for that purpose now :)
Anyone, not going to do a review. My copy did not come with a lens cap unfortunately. Getting a lens cap for that lens is probably like finding a needle in the ocean, or just waiting for another copy to show up... which is also rare. I found some old Elmo metal cap and stuffed flocking in it, and it kind of fits but the flocking goes loose and the sticks onto the tiny hood, which is an annoyance to clean.
Does anyone by a chance have a 3D model made for printing it out (with a 3D printer)? Or may anyone send the precise dimensions, so I can make my own model and print it.
Thanks!
Daniel
My favourite shot with this lens:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8724/28291883320_3aedb789be_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/K74ieJ)Burst (https://flic.kr/p/K74ieJ) by Daniel Han (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133023063@N04/), on Flickr
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Why not just measure your lens on the outside?
Unfortunately, the form factor of the 16/3.5 differs significantly from the more ubiquitous f/2.8 models. Thus their lens caps are not interchangeable.
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give me the parts number, maybe I can help you source one :o :o :o
i did find the in-lens filter attachment for the exotic long lenses here but I forgot who was asking and what lens it was. I could've bought it for him
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give me the parts number, maybe I can help you source one :o :o :o
i did find the in-lens filter attachment for the exotic long lenses here but I forgot who was asking and what lens it was. I could've bought it for him
No idea what the part number is! I'd love to know.
Maybe the best would be to get a second copy, I don't mind having another one of these very rare fisheyes.
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Why not just measure your lens on the outside?
Unfortunately, the form factor of the 16/3.5 differs significantly from the more ubiquitous f/2.8 models. Thus their lens caps are not interchangeable.
True that would work too! Probably a bit less precise though, I'll see if I can mod that elmo cap further.
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http://www.destoutz.ch/lens_16mm_f3.5_272714.html (http://www.destoutz.ch/lens_16mm_f3.5_272714.html)
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Leica #39213 Slip on lens cap would be my best guess,,,
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I have the cap for the 16/3.5 fish-eye.
The outside diameter is 67mm and the height is 10mm.
I don't see the part number on the lens cap apart from 64K.
I hope it helps...
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Part numbers would be on the internal Nikon dealer catalogues, data sheets,and inventory listings. Never seen them on products sold.
I doubt, however, that any spare parts are left in inventory for such an old lens. However, one sometimes get big surprises ... if the part number emerges I'll have my friendly repair tech run a search for it.
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While we're at spare parts, if anyone stumble upon the filters, I'm interested. Mine is a battered copy that has lost them all. I'm also interested in a measure of the thickness of the glass, for a DIY solution.
Thanks.
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You have the 16mm f/2.8,,, NOT f/3.5 - you can find those filters on eBay,,,
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You have the 16mm f/2.8,,, NOT f/3.5 - you can find those filters on eBay,,,
It is the 3.5 I have. I can't find the filters on Ebay unfortunately.
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The f/3.5 has its filters internally. How did you manage to loose them?
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I bought it like that. The previous owner used it for underwater photography, made all sorts of experiments with filters and lost the original set. It was quite cheap so I bought it anyway.
I've used it on DX for years without too much problems but now, on FX, the corners are really bad and a fix is deeply needed.
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OK, so you used the term 'Lost them' a little imprecise then ;)
As I recall the 'filters' on that lens are actually lens 'elements' not flat filter glass,,,
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And as Bjørn said they are built-in so to "lose them" you need to open the lens and remove the filters.
(http://www.darinmcquoid.com/Images%202/16mm/_DSC1708.jpg)]
Source
http://www.darinmcquoid.com/16mm%20repair.html (http://www.darinmcquoid.com/16mm%20repair.html)
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Thank you for the link!
The filters appear to be flat,,,
I have only opened the older versions F, Pre AI and early AI, this one appears to be Ai and different internally,,,
I also see Roland's page stating another build length,,, 60.5mm vs. 62mm
I'm pretty sure I have removed the build in lens hood from the front without further disassembly.
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Thanks for the link, Arend. That's what the previous owner did.
I can now check if (hoping) the filter holding mechanism is still there. If it is still there, I have a chance to make a clear glass replacement, if I can get the thickness of the glass.
Erik, if the filter is a lens, should it appear on the schematic? http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/late70nikkor/fisheyes/16mmf35.pdf
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The filter is plane and has no refractive power.
An incorrect thickness will move focus 1/3 of the difference in thickness between the original and its replacement. Thus, possibly except for infinity focus, getting the replacement thickness wrong isn't that critical as long as you focus the lens visibly.
I probably have a spare A2 or B2 filter for the 16mm f/2.8 fisheyes, it should be more or less the correct thickness and any optician should be able to trim it to the required size. You can get it for a nominal cost to cover shipping. The slight change in w/b should be no problem with a DSLR anyway.
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Clearly the filters appear to be flat in the images of the Ai'ed lens,,,
What is your serial # ?
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Just checked with my friendly Nikon repair tech.
The lens cap is not a spare part, it is a sales item. The filter wheel is part number 20FL16-007.
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http://www.yodobashi.com/ニコン-NIKON-カブセ式レンズキャップ-AF-Fisheye-16mm・10-5mm用/pd/000000102108601805/
see first if this fits :o :o :o
never say never
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http://www.yodobashi.com/ニコン-NIKON-カブセ式レンズキャップ-AF-Fisheye-16mm・10-5mm用/pd/000000102108601805/
see first if this fits :o :o :o
never say never
I have this one. The internal diameter is only 61mm, and filing off the ribs achieves 62mm. It is a bit too small for 16/3.5 fish, unfortunately.
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I have the cap for the 16/3.5 fish-eye.
The outside diameter is 67mm and the height is 10mm.
I don't see the part number on the lens cap apart from 64K.
64K means the internal diameter is 64mm, K=slip-on (Kabuse) like the slip-on HK hoods...
You need something with an internal diameter of 64mm.
If I recall correctly the metal cap for AI and AIS 16/2.8 is 62K 61K, so too small. The metal caps later gave way to the plastic push-on cap which is currently shared with the AF 16 and 10.5mm fisheye lenses.
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Leica #39213 Slip on lens cap would be my best guess,,,
,,,Since it is 64mm inside diameter,,,
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An incorrect thickness will move focus 1/3 of the difference in thickness between the original and its replacement. Thus, possibly except for infinity focus, getting the replacement thickness wrong isn't that critical as long as you focus the lens visibly.
I probably have a spare A2 or B2 filter for the 16mm f/2.8 fisheyes, it should be more or less the correct thickness and any optician should be able to trim it to the required size. You can get it for a nominal cost to cover shipping.
I thought about using an old Nikon or BW filter but the thickness is 2.2mm and looks too much for the filter holder, which is still there, btw.
Did your friendly tech check if the filter wheel is still available? If not available, I would gladly accept your friendly proposal.
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He did check, but only the national inventory. No hits there. You might try an e-mail to NPS or Nikon Europe since you have the parts number.
If you wish the alternate suggestion, just send me a PM and I'll start looking for spare(s). I do know with certainty there are some, but the item must be retrieved :D
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if ever i find one in any condition and in reasonable price, should I just get it (max $45)? :o :o :o
i sometimes get lucky in the junk shops.
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Stockpiling oddities is always an option, if you have the storage space for it. The strangest stuff can be highly attractive for someone desperately seeking elusive items.
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Stockpiling oddities is always an option, if you have the storage space for it. The strangest stuff can be highly attractive for someone desperately seeking elusive items.
you are correct. i remember somebody asking for the drop-in filter holder and I actually found 2 of them for $4 each :o :o :o
i will do that from now on.
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Stockpiling oddities is always an option, if you have the storage space for it. The strangest stuff can be highly attractive for someone desperately seeking elusive items.
I have two UR-2's. :o :o :o
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The filter wheel is part number 20FL16-007.
He did check, but only the national inventory. No hits there. You might try an e-mail to NPS or Nikon Europe since you have the parts number.
It took me a bit of time but I finally found a way to Nikon Europe. Unfortunately, the part is nowhere to be seen in Europe.
Before accepting Bjørn's proposal to modify a 16/2.8 filter, would anyone have a connection to Nikon Japan?
Or a possibility to find a cheap broken one which could become a donor?
Thanks
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Bruno, I don't think even Nikon Japan has the elusive lens cap in stock, sorry to say.
There is a Nikon specialist repair company called "Kiitos" which was founded by the veteran Nikon engineers, offers repair of old film Nikon cameras and Nikkor lenses and some genuine parts in stock. Their website is only in Japanese and offers no email access. But I could call them directly to ask if they have a lens cap for 16mm 3.5 fisheye (genuine or replacement) on Monday.
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Akira, I'm not looking for the cap but for the clear internal filter. Sorry for the confusion, I hijacked the initial thread while I should have opened a new one. A ruined 16/3.5 should normally still have it as the filter is internal and well protected. The part number provided by Bjørn is the filter frame with filters.
I would be glad if you could call them. Thanks a lot.
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Bruno, now I understand.
If the internal part is what you are looking, Kiitos would not be of any help, unfortunatey. They don't sell their genuine parts and use them only for the repair in their shop. You then have to send your lens to them for repair. I could only help you by asking them whether this particular repair is possible.
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Let it go then. Sending it back and forth to Japan will be too much. Unless a junk one pops up, I'll hack a 16/2.8 filter as suggested by Bjørn. Thank you for the kind help.
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Okay. Hope you can find the best possible solution. :)
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even the junks are NOT cheap :o :o :o
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The slip on lens cap for 64mm outside diameter lenses is product number 586.
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I just stumbled over this Lens cap for Fisheye-Nikkor 16mm f/3.5 62K
The box is just labled wrong,,, f/2.8
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The only listing I have ever seen for sale separately,,,
It has now been documented that I was wrong - I didn't remember what I wrote on the previous page, it is of course a mistake, and the right one is still the 64K,,,
Thank you for pointing that out.
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Not so sure, Erik. The original cap for the f/3.5 should be labelled '64K', this distinctly reads '62K'. It might be for the oldest version(s) of the f/2.8 fisheye lens.
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OK that makes sense!
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The cap in the photo is the one for the later 16/2.8 lens. It is instantly discernable from the 16/3.5 cap because of it's greater depth. It helps to have samples of both on hand. 8)
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An update!
Well, I came back from overseas and I am finally outside of the GFW now! Yay. Oh was also too busy having fun, no time to read the thread!
It seems to me the best idea would be to either 3D print a lens cap, or just get another copy. When I was in China however, I missed a 16/3.5 "for parts" with the cap for a really cheap price, which is unfortunate.
I could just take the cap and disassemble it for the internal filters and hand it over to Bruno. This is the second for parts 16mm/3.5 I've seen actually -- first one just didn't have a cap and I ignored it. It was listed for $125 AUD I think, which is $95 USD. Oh well! There's always a chance. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could keep an eye for spare parts and let it off to me at a reasonable price :)
Many thanks!
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Hmmm, found this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AS-IS-Nikon-Fisheye-NIKKOR-Auto-16mm-F-3-5-Ai-Lens-Made-In-Japan-/162351982387?hash=item25cceea733:g:5D8AAOSwnHZYc3Ko
Too expensive just to source the cap though :(
Maybe I can ask the seller if he/she/tumblrpronoun would part with just the cap, it's listed for parts anyway.
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Not so sure, Erik. The original cap for the f/3.5 should be labelled '64K', this distinctly reads '62K'. It might be for the oldest version(s) of the f/2.8 fisheye lens.
That's right, the box and cap are matching. This is the original metal push-on cap for the AI and AIS 16/2.8. I have one for my lens, it's beautifully made. Later it was changed to the current plastic cap which is still used for the AF 16mm fisheye (also DX 10.5mm fisheye?). If anyone wants a nice metal cap for their fisheye, it would be worth grabbing, although this one is rather pricey.
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The one for 10.5mm fisheye is "61". I use one with the internal ribs filed off as a cap for a 3rd party 52mm metal hood for a standard lens.
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I can't remember where, but I stumbled upon a push-on cap for the 16/3.5 in the original box. Don't remember how much I paid for it as I didn't care. ;D
It's one of those things that I know I'll lose one day in the mountains, so having a spare gives a certain peace of mind.
- J
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It has now been documented three times that I was wrong - I didn't remember what I wrote on the previous page, it is of course a mistake, and the right one is still the 64K,,,
Thank you for pointing that out. If only the caps where mentioned on a certain page, I could in the future better remember what cap goes with what lens for these slip on ones,,, ;D
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The one for 10.5mm fisheye is "61". I use one with the internal ribs filed off as a cap for a 3rd party 52mm metal hood for a standard lens.
Thanks, is the official code 61K?
I should add this data to my accessories page so Eric does not forget again :o :)
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That would be very helpful, Roland. Only the unusual types have to be mentioned I'd guess.
As of now, I'm always have to consult the little red Nikon handbook of Peter Braczko. I have a plastic crate filled with lens caps, another (bigger) with lens hoods, and matching the items to the correct lens is not always easy unless dictionary assistance is provided :D
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Thanks, is the official code 61K?
I should add this data to my accessories page so Eric does not forget again :o :)
I'm not sure of the official code: there is an embossed number "61" inside the cap.
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The metal screw-in caps are denoted by an 'N' following the number, the figure itself just indicating the diameter in mm.
All the slip-on Nikkor metal caps I've seen are discerned by a capital 'K' at the end of the identification.
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The metal screw-in caps are denoted by an 'N' following the number, the figure itself just indicating the diameter in mm.
All the slip-on Nikkor metal caps I've seen are discerned by a capital 'K' at the end of the identification.
Apparently the same system as that of the lens hoods, based on the Japanese words for screw-in (Nejiko-mu) and slip-on (Kabuse-ru).
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An interesting scrap of information there, thanks Akira.
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You are welcome, Bjørn.
Interestingly, "S" as in HS-10 stands for the English "Snap-on". I cannot come up with a suitable and simple Japanese word for that. :o :o :o
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Thank you all! Very good :D
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i don't know if it has been mentioned but you can look for platics milk caps that would fit and put felt inside as lining. :o :o :o
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I had an hour to kill today (I didn't, really, but it's nice to check something off the to do list).
EDIT: looks like the photos came in upside down.....???? same for everyone else???
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Cool, but the same thing out of plastic might be a better choice for weight. If you don't care about the weight, the hogging it out of a solid piece of Al is way more cool.
Plans to paint that cool slip on cap?
Should CNC a copy of the Nikon logo on it like the real deal has!
- J
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Very nice work ;)
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thanks, guys!
We don't have a CNC (yet)....so....i might have to use a sharpie! haha!
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i would love to have a mini lathe at home :o :o :o
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Richard, you would simply love such a mini lathe. I can even visualise you at work using it. ;D
The Japanese made Toyo lathe is a very good one and I am sure that a good second hand copy would not be too hard to find and nor should it break the bank. IIRC, they are made by the same outfit that built the quite decent Topcon film cameras a few decades back.
i would love to have a mini lathe at home :o :o :o
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unfortunately, I am not allowed to own "heavy machinery" under my house contract :'(
If i own my own house, I would certainly buy one! I can now fabricate my own converters :o :o :o
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I had an hour to kill today (I didn't, really, but it's nice to check something off the to do list).
EDIT: looks like the photos came in upside down.....???? same for everyone else???
:o Nice shiny cap! Just need to laser print a Nikon logo and "Best Fish Ever" on it ;D
I'll try make one out of plastic or something.
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Why not use a 3D printer?
Can even put the Nikon Logo on it if you wish.
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I'll try make one out of plastic or something.
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The Toyo, and the Sherline lathes, are similar in size to a domestic sewing machine. Could still do a lot with them.
unfortunately, I am not allowed to own "heavy machinery" under my house contract :'(
If i own my own house, I would certainly buy one! I can now fabricate my own converters :o :o :o
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The Toyo, and the Sherline lathes, are similar in size to a domestic sewing machine. Could still do a lot with them.
yes, those are considered "heavy machinery" :o :o :o
the dremel is on the border of it ::)
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You are allowed to have a computer ?? Bigger than the borderline Dremel it is. :D
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My wife would kill the landlords if she were to be separated from her sewing machine and overlocker. And large screen TVs and computer displays are out, as Bjørn has surmised.
You have my sympathies my friend.
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wait, i think "heavy machinery" is the wrong translation. I think "industrial machinery" should be better :o :o :o
Japanese contracts for homes is very strict.