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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: Humboldt on November 10, 2016, 12:09:14
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Hello all! I am a Nikon user, but I am tired of heavy equipment. I am walking and climbing in mountains during summer, and now I want lighter gear. I have considered the Olympus OM-D series, but as I sometimes also use my camera in jazzclubs and during concerts, I am a little hesitant concerning the micro 43 sensor. I need decent low light performance. I have also considered the Fujifilm X1 or maybe X2 - at the moment it is possible to get a very good price if buying the X1. However, I have read that Adobe Lightroom do not handle Fujifilm Trans-X raw files very good. The best is a RAW developer called iridient developer, at least according to what I have read on the internet. Problem is this is a Mac program only. I use Windows. If anybody here in this forum have any experience of the Fujifilm X1 or X2 I would appreciate to read about your thoughts.
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Hi Humboldt,
I'm a Nikon FX and Fuji X photographer when I want to travel light. I've chosen Fuji specifically for the large aperture primes and their capabilities for shallow depth of field and usage in low light. The latest Lr and Camera Raw versions handle XTRANS files well. I do work on a MAC and have Iridient but hardly ever use it.
There's always a trade-off when buying into a system but all in all the Fuji mirrorless system ticks most boxes for me. I like the classic controls and the metallic and robust build of lenses and bodies.
I started off on a M43 mirrorless for travel but soon gave up on it.
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Thank you for your answer aerobat. Do you have any opinion about the difference between X1 and X2? I have read about the differences in terms of specifications. What I wonder is what it means in terms of image quality and low light performance. I have understood the autofocus is much better on X2, but I do not need autofocus of the sort needed in sports- and wildlife photo. The reason I ask is the huge price difference between X1 and X2. Fuji are selling X1s now for a very low price.
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Hello Humboldt,
just a comment regarding view finders from a former Nikon DX photog. My advice is that you get familiar with the view finders (EVF's) in the various Fuji camera models. My experiences are based on the older Fuji X-E1 and the EVF has caused a bit frustration in some bright sunlight situations as well as low light situations. I assume the camera models you consider and mention are the X-T1 and X-T2(?) - they are known to have great EVF's. Maybe some Nikon FX photogs can comment on how the EVF's compare to Nikon FX OVF's.
I use Capture One Pro for raw processing - to my eye it works well but some features are (still) not supported for X-Trans (e.g. auto mask).
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Yes, sorry, I meant X-T1 and X-T2. I have an old Panasonic with an electronic viewfinder, and if the Viewfinder on the Fuji X-T1 or T2 is not worse, it is ok for me. I also have an Nikon FX, so I know the difference, and most often I prefer the electronic viewfinder since it provides me with a lot of information like a histogram and such.
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The X-T2/X-T1 EVFs are excellent and you will not be disappointed! I too moved to a Fuji system because of heavy gear, especially the lenses so I got fed up lugging all that weight around!
The X-T2 is a definite step up from the X-T1 in all sorts of ways, too numerous to mention here. Take a look at the Fujifilm X World website for a ton of info and also the Fotozones website which is known by many of the members here
Be extra careful when reading internet reviews, there can be a hidden agenda behind such postings.
Moving from system to system can be expensive if you decide to keep two systems going at the same time, I took advantage of an excellent PX regime by WEX a British dealer to help pay for my new Fujifilm set up!
PS The Fuji EVF and rear LCD are very customisable when it comes to what info is shown!
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i solved the weight problem with a DF :o :o :o
but since you are OK with cropped, why not try the D5500 or even the D3400?
if you are really set with going fuji, try the XE series.
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I dipped my foot into the Fuji world with the X100T which I really really like.
The XPro2 features an excellently layouted and balanced body, esp with a lens like the 56mm/f=1.2
The XPro2 also features a very good EVF, I find it nearly as good as an OVF
The XPro2 also features an Optical viewfinder, but this is not really helpful when the lenses get longer and bigger
Sooo ... If I would further dive into the X-Series, I would go for the X-T2 ... she does not have the OVF of the X100/XPro, but all the other features including a better AF, whatever that mens compared to a D500, my favourite camera currently.
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I've currently got an X-E2s and really like it. Personally I would only opt for the X-T2 if I intended a full switch to Fuji.
Honestly I don't really like to have two different systems as it's not particularly economical and I'm always torn which system to build up next.
I'm a prime only shooter and for a long time only had lenses from 20mm to 85mm (FX). Now that I've got the superb 300mm F4 PF I was also looking at perhaps a D7200 or D500 to extend the range on top of using a teleconverter. But then the DX camera would have to replace the Fuji.
The lack of decent DX primes ( except for the 35mm f/1.8 ) is a non starter for me. The fast Fuji primes really make this system shine.
So I'll keep a three lenses kit for the Fuji (XF 16mm f/1.4; XF 23mm f/1.4; XF 56mm f/1.2).
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I have had an XE-1, one of the early Fuji X-Trans cameras since 2013.
On the raw file processing issue for X-Trans, Lightroom/ACR was visibly terrible at first, but was improved back in 2013.
There is still a deficit in small detail rendition with the current Lightroom 6/ACR, which won't matter on small prints. More technically analytical photographers than me have also said that there is a problem with "color depth" when doing X-Trans in Lightroom.
The raw developers that use the DCRaw development engine seem to create superior fine detail from X-Trans 1(16MP) files. I assume that similar advantages will be had with DCRaw and the new 24MP X-Trans, though the increase to 24MP probably helps alleviate the detail issues with Lightroom/ACR.
I have two of those DCRaw-equipped raw processors, Iridient and Photo Ninja.
Photo Ninja is available for both Mac and PC. I use primarily Lightroom, and only occasionally go to Photo Ninja when fine detail is an issue on a particular file.
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Only me again. Like Keith, I also use Lightroom and Photo Ninja as an external editor from within Lr!
While waiting for the X-T2 to appear, I used an X-T1and it is a super little camera so I shed a wee tear when it had to go. :'(
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XT1 and XT2 are both excellent. For me the more responsive nature of the XT2 justifies the upgrade.
The EVF of the XT2 is state of the art. But that of the XT1 is very good indeed.
LR does not do justice to Fuji files. My favourite is Photo Ninja, which does a great job and integrates well with Photoshop.
At this level of technology, user experience is the most important factor. That is why I upgraded. But if you are happy with the XT1's handling, and can get it at a good price, that would be a great entry into the Fuji system.
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It would be very interesting to have a test here where someone could share a RAF from the X-T2 and those of us interested could play with the software of choice and present results here. Anyone?
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It would be very interesting to have a test here where someone could share a RAF from the X-T2 and those of us interested could play with the software of choice and present results here. Anyone?
I can provide one, if you can suggest how to share it.
Would Dropbox work?
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Dropbox is a practical solution, yes.
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My internet connection tonight is very poor, it took ages to upload this image.
I hope this link will work:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dml0lyfjdsjhqou/AAAnulKpBbudZP2UeVwg4k1_a?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dml0lyfjdsjhqou/AAAnulKpBbudZP2UeVwg4k1_a?dl=0)
Please let me know if you can access the file.
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Thanks everybody for the answers. I have a X-T1 for loan. The handling is very similar to an old analog film camera. I have realised the Fuji often makes me use manual settings both for aperture and shutter. With other cameras I most often only set aperture manually. It is due to the cameras logic. I must say I like to use the Fuji. It is a nice and fun camera to use - and the photos are good looking to. I think I stay with the T1 since I can have it for a bargain price right now.
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Hi Simone,
The link doesn't work for me.
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Hi Simone,
The link doesn't work for me.
I can download clicking on the link, but I don't know if others have the right permission.
Clicking on the link symbol in Dropbox says "everybody with the link can view", if that does not mean that they can download then I am open to suggestions how to change permissions.
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Hi Simone,
The link seems to be for you only as it asks to sign in.
Right-click on the folder in dropbox and share the link.
Cheers Daniel
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I am sorry my internet connection is totally crap tonight, totally frustrating, I cannot get anything done and I don't know what is wrong.
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Hi Simone,
The link seems to be for you only as it asks to sign in.
Right-click on the folder in dropbox and share the link.
Cheers Daniel
If this does not work I don't know what to do.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dml0lyfjdsjhqou/AAAnulKpBbudZP2UeVwg4k1_a?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dml0lyfjdsjhqou/AAAnulKpBbudZP2UeVwg4k1_a?dl=0)
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Relax, this time around it worked !!
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It works
ACR - CC2015
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Relax, this time around it worked !!
:)
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Nice hawthorn in the foreground ...
There was a surprising amount of CA to be removed, plus the requirement of rescuing the blown ruin wall.
Photo Ninja 1.34
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Thanks Simone - it works and I like the X-T2 file - ACR CC:
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DXO-Optics Pro v10 thinks it's an iPhone 6 camera and lens and in order to proceed I need to download those profiles ;)
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Simone - a really nice shot!
Capture One 9.3 doesn't recognize the file - is it a compressed RAW?
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I suggest that one keep in mind that 36x24mm to 6x4.5cm formats offer significant advantages for photographing people as longer lenses with larger physical apertures offer greater background blurring with natural, that is uncompressed perspective.
I recommend adding a smaller format rather than switching. That way one can take advantage of each format's advantages.
Dave Hartman
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Simone - a really nice shot!
Capture One 9.3 doesn't recognize the file - is it a compressed RAW?
Yes it is compressed RAW.
Thanks for letting me know this information, although it is not good news.
I am using Aperture (which does not see the RAW files; I am using the JPEGs) but I am considering moving to Capture One and playing with it a bit.
However I am using Capture One Express for Sony (I have an RX100) and have not been testing Fuji files so far.
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I did try to upload an RAF file but of course it was too large! Cos I don't do Dropbox or the like! Of the treatments shown, I prefer Danial's version.
I normally use Lightroom and occasionally Photo Ninja, and of course Apple has not got around to recognising X-T2 RAF files yet but I expect they will eventually get around to it??? I download RAF and JPEG files into a folder in Finder, which shows the files but not a RAW thumbnail, and thence into Lightroom. Lightroom sees the RAF files no problems! I assume that Lightroom is ACR with a few bells and whistles added on, and am pleased with the output that I see, which on a Retina screen are pretty good! when the files are uploaded to the forums I subscribe to there is a substantial degradation to what I see, I assume this effect is down to the forum software doing things to the files for display reasons! this is not a complaint but an observation!
When I moved to Fuji I already had Lr so I just carried on using it, at first the Program was not good to RAF files but after a couple of updates it is much improved.
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"I did try to upload an RAF file but of course it was too large!"
A comment from the side: the forum is not set to accept any RAW file of whatever kind. Size is not the important parameter in this case.
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I cannot get the compressed RAF to work with RawTherapee.
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It works however with Affinity.
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I will take some pictures in uncompressed RAW and when I have the time (not today) and upload them, for the benefit of those who cannot handle the compressed RAW.
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Yes it is compressed RAW.
Thanks for letting me know this information, although it is not good news.
I am using Aperture (which does not see the RAW files; I am using the JPEGs) but I am considering moving to Capture One and playing with it a bit.
However I am using Capture One Express for Sony (I have an RX100) and have not been testing Fuji files so far.
As for compressed RAW's - might be that support for X-Pro2 and X-T2 is still preliminary. It is being debated at Luminous Landscape (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=113553.msg934533#msg934533).
If you are looking into switching to Capture One you should check the list of non-supported features - I copied the list below from the official Capture One site. Note that this list also applies to older camera models:
LCC/Automask/Export DNG/Repair layers - Not supported
Link: https://www.phaseone.com/en/Products/Software/Capture-One-Pro/Supported-Cameras.aspx
I skipped Capture One version 8 because they still didn't support these features and I was rather hesitant wrt. version 9 because they are still not supported.
Also, my understanding is that Capture One does not support GPU processing on Fuji RAF's (source: Luminous Landscape forum). Not sure if that is platform dependent (Windows, Apple ..)
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"I did try to upload an RAF file but of course it was too large!"
A comment from the side: the forum is not set to accept any RAW file of whatever kind. Size is not the important parameter in this case.
Bjorn, I didn't know that, just goes to show ya learn something new every day. 8)
Funnily I wasn't informed of file incompatibility, just that the file was too large!
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Anybody who has used Lightroom in combination with Nik Sharpener Pro? For X-Trans files I mean. If yes, how does it compare to Ninja?
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Bjorn, I didn't know that, just goes to show ya learn something new every day. 8)
Funnily I wasn't informed of file incompatibility, just that the file was too large!
Please use Dropbox or something like that where you can share the file with others by sending them a link or posting the link here for them to download. Browsers as such doesn't have the ability to show/process raw files from digital cameras however some sites like Dropbox can extract the embedded JPG and display that.
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Please use Dropbox or something like that where you can share the file with others by sending them a link or posting the link here for them to download. Browsers as such doesn't have the ability to show/process raw files from digital cameras however some sites like Dropbox can extract the embedded JPG and display that.
Although apparently the image I uploaded cannot be previewed - maybe because it is lossless compressed?
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Maybe I remember wrong then, one of the image hosting services provide this,,, I'm sure since I tested it some years ago,,,
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As for compressed RAW's - might be that support for X-Pro2 and X-T2 is still preliminary. It is being debated at Luminous Landscape (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=113553.msg934533#msg934533).
If you are looking into switching to Capture One you should check the list of non-supported features - I copied the list below from the official Capture One site. Note that this list also applies to older camera models:
LCC/Automask/Export DNG/Repair layers - Not supported
Link: https://www.phaseone.com/en/Products/Software/Capture-One-Pro/Supported-Cameras.aspx
I skipped Capture One version 8 because they still didn't support these features and I was rather hesitant wrt. version 9 because they are still not supported.
Also, my understanding is that Capture One does not support GPU processing on Fuji RAF's (source: Luminous Landscape forum). Not sure if that is platform dependent (Windows, Apple ..)
I read this post with the due attention only now and am very grateful to you for highlighting all this, since I was on the verge of starting a trial with Capture one Pro 9.3 with a view to completely switch from Aperture.
This notwithstanding my doubts about database features, interface, workflow and the use of external RAW editors, which I am managing OK in Aperture. I thought all those issues might be worked around after becoming more accustomed to the software, however the Fuji X-T2 is now my main camera and the features not supported for this model are too numerous and too important - it just would not work for me. (also lossless compressed RAW is not supported. WTF?!).
AFAIK it is game over for Capture one Pro. I had been trying to get accustomed to it starting from the free "Express for Sony" version, it seems that I have been wasting my time. Pity...
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Capture One is famous for the nice look Canon and Nikon images at their default rendering. That's why studio and commercial photogs use it for the live client display while shooting. I recently took a quick look at the C-1 9.X free trial, and found that the fine detail rendering on Fuji X Trans images was visibly better than Lightroom, but it was inferior to Photo Ninja, which uses the DCRaw raw conversion engine. That's just my assessment, YMMV.
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Capture One is famous for the nice look Canon and Nikon images at their default rendering. That's why studio and commercial photogs use it for the live client display while shooting. I recently took a quick look at the C-1 9.X free trial, and found that the fine detail rendering on Fuji X Trans images was visibly better than Lightroom, but it was inferior to Photo Ninja, which uses the DCRaw raw conversion engine. That's just my assessment, YMMV.
That's pretty much what I also read.
Iridient is also superior for RAF file development, and that is what I am using, but it would not make much sense using Capture One.
Anyway this is moot since there are too many issues related to X-T2 support to make the proposition appealing to me, at least for the moment (it seems unlikely to change though)
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https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dml0lyfjdsjhqou/AAAnulKpBbudZP2UeVwg4k1_a?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dml0lyfjdsjhqou/AAAnulKpBbudZP2UeVwg4k1_a?dl=0)
I have added two uncompressed images in the Dropbox folder above.
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Thanks, will give it a go in Raw Therapee tomorrow.
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Thanks Simone! - nice shots of great landscapes. A few very quick conversions with Capture One 9.3.
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My edits with Iridient (nothing done yet beyond raw processing)
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My take: The first is with RawTherapee, the second with Photoshop CC (2017).
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Photo Ninja, foreground brightened in PS 2017.
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Just tried to process the initial RAF image (_XT27224) in the latest version of ACR. It looks very sharp and detailed when I opend first in ACR and sharpen the reviewed image. However, when I sharpened the image in ACR as "filter" after I had opened it, the image looks far less sharp, although the details could be seen.
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I read this post with the due attention only now and am very grateful to you for highlighting all this, since I was on the verge of starting a trial with Capture one Pro 9.3 with a view to completely switch from Aperture.
This notwithstanding my doubts about database features, interface, workflow and the use of external RAW editors, which I am managing OK in Aperture. I thought all those issues might be worked around after becoming more accustomed to the software, however the Fuji X-T2 is now my main camera and the features not supported for this model are too numerous and too important - it just would not work for me. (also lossless compressed RAW is not supported. WTF?!).
AFAIK it is game over for Capture one Pro. I had been trying to get accustomed to it starting from the free "Express for Sony" version, it seems that I have been wasting my time. Pity...
Simone - just for your information, Capture One Pro 10 has been released and apparently the Automask feature is now supported but still no support for compressed RAF and the other missing features.
I read it on Fujirumors:
http://www.fujirumors.com/capture-one-pro-10-released-auto-mask-support-fujifilm-x-trans-files/
More here:
http://captureoneblog.com/capture-one-10/
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No lossless X-T2 RAF support is still a big deal for me, but unfortunately this is general, AFAIK only Iridient supports it.
Anyway CO 9/10 is not enough for me in terms of DAM so I am now trialling Photo Supreme for this task - and will also look at FotoStation before taking a final decision.
Only then will I revisit whether the image editing tools I currently have need to be replaced or complemented by Capture One.
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Hello all! I am a Nikon user, but I am tired of heavy equipment. I am walking and climbing in mountains during summer, and now I want lighter gear. I have considered the Olympus OM-D series, but as I sometimes also use my camera in jazzclubs and during concerts, I am a little hesitant concerning the micro 43 sensor. I need decent low light performance. I have also considered the Fujifilm X1 or maybe X2 - at the moment it is possible to get a very good price if buying the X1. However, I have read that Adobe Lightroom do not handle Fujifilm Trans-X raw files very good. The best is a RAW developer called iridient developer, at least according to what I have read on the internet. Problem is this is a Mac program only. I use Windows. If anybody here in this forum have any experience of the Fujifilm X1 or X2 I would appreciate to read about your thoughts.
As with any camera system (and keep in mind that all of them are excellent nowadays) pairing the right lenses with the cameras is essential. Fuji offers great lenses and a robust file.
I use m43 along side my Nikon kits. m43 is very capable and if you are interested in learning more about it, checking out some RAW files, let me know. I do not want to highjack the current thread too much unless that is something you wish to explore.
I will only add that the m43 primes lenses are excellent even wide open, some AF variations as fast as f/1.2, with manual focus lenses being available at f/0.95.