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Gear Talk => Other => Topic started by: elsa hoffmann on October 18, 2016, 16:39:35
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Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED VR and PC-E 19mm f/4E ED Lenses Price Leaked
http://cameratimes.org/nikon-70-200mm-f2-8e-fl-ed-vr-pc-e-19mm-f4e-ed-lenses-price-leaked/
I cant vouch for this of course
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Both lenses have been rumoured for a while.
They apparently continue the current trend of even higher price on the designs that replace existing ones. Fro the 19 mm PC-E, there is no direct replacement, rather a range extension from the 24 PC-E. The latter is a specialist tool, thus the niche for the 19 probably is even more narrow. We'll see in due time what these new Nikkors can deliver.
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I am getting a bit tired of all these new "updated" shit. I have to work on my pension fund!! ::)
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The big issue is... normally they are better than before... so... ;D
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I am surprised at the rumored price for the 19mm PC-E. That is close to double the price of the others lenses in the PC-E range, and also close to double the price of the Canon 17mm titl-shift.
Not sure how it can be justified.
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The big issue is... normally they are better than before... so... ;D
And dont you just HATE that!
Abergon - remember these are rumours. so.... who knows
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If these are suggested prices in Japan, it may be that the US price will be lower. Quite often after a lens has been on the market for a while, prices are substantially lower than the initial price, and there can be rebates/cashbacks after a few years.
Also sometimes these rumored prices are simply incorrect.
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And they will supposedly be announced tonight...
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The big issue is... normally they are better than before... so... ;D
I wish I could buy the less better one. I took my AF 80-200/2.8D ED (new) out and was promptly reminded how it sucks close in at 200mm. At least I can use it as a bludgeon if someone assaults me.
Anyway I want the more better one but I can't even afford the less better one.
Dave Hartman
Please send FREE money :)
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Please send FREE money :)
would monopoly money do...
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19mm PC-E is a strange focal length for Nikon. Normally they are quite conservative with regard to focal lengths (105mm not 100mm, 24mm not 25mm, 18mm not 17mm etc), but this is the first 19mm lens they have made. I would have expected 18mm instead, I'm sure it will be a good lens regardless :)
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19mm PC-E is a strange focal length for Nikon. Normally they are quite conservative with regard to focal lengths (105mm not 100mm, 24mm not 25mm, 18mm not 17mm etc), but this is the first 19mm lens they have made. I would have expected 18mm instead, I'm sure it will be a good lens regardless :)
If lenscore.org is to be believed, Nikon PC-E lenses outperform Canon TSs for comparable focal lengths. The Schneider-Kreuznachts outperforms both brands, but they are not at all in the same price range either.
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Nikon have had 100 as well as 105 mm lenses, same with 24 and 25 mm (25-50/4).
The usual focal length tolerance is 5% thus a 19 mm could in theory be near 18 or approx. 20 mm. However, this tolerance is the optical design itself, not the variation on the production units.
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Looks like the new 70-200 will be void of focus breathing.
http://nikonrumors.com/2016/10/18/nikon-announcement-tonight-us-pricing-and-availability-for-the-two-new-nikkor-lenses.aspx/#more-108095
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If lenscore.org is to be believed, Nikon PC-E lenses outperform Canon TSs for comparable focal lengths. The Schneider-Kreuznachts outperforms both brands, but they are not at all in the same price range either.
There are some serious flaws in the 24 PC-E that the Canon 24 TS-E II does not have. The 24mm Nikkor, when used to photograph a tall building in vertical orientation and some shift applied, displays strong field curvature which means it is quite difficult to get uniform sharpness across the facade of the building. It requires very careful focusing at a specific height using live view, stopping down and and preferably avoiding too much shift. With the Canon lens it is easy to handle this situation and there is greater freedom of movements as well. I find the 24 PC-E to work bettr for near to far landscapes with tilt. I think the Canon is easily the superior lens and it is unlikely that an architectural photographer would find the Nikkor satisfactory if they photograph large exteriors. I think Nikon should fix the 24 rather than introduce a new, wider lens. The 14-24 Nikkor by contrast is a superb lens for architectural photography.
I love to use the 24 PC-E for semi close up landscapes, but shifted shots of distant subjects quickly show the imperfections of the lens. Perhaps the 19mm can do its job. 17mm ts-e is really extreme.
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Nikon have had 100 as well as 105 mm lenses, same with 24 and 25 mm (25-50/4).
The usual focal length tolerance is 5% thus a 19 mm could in theory be near 18 or approx. 20 mm. However, this tolerance is the optical design itself, not the variation on the production units.
True, there is the Series-E 100/2.8, AIS 100-300/5.6 and 28-100G, also 10-100 zooms for Nikon 1. Otherwise, all other primes, zooms and special lenses (micro, EL, Printing ...) are 105mm.
Nikon also made a 2.5cm (25mm) lens for their rangefinder camera and the 25-50/4, but other primes and zooms in that range since 1967 have been 24mm.
I agree there is often a tolerance in the focal length, but if the 19mm were really closer to 20mm or 18mm, I suspect it would be labelled as such, otherwise why call it 19mm?
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The design patent determines what the nominal focal length is going to be. Plus convention of course, as most '50' mm lenses are ~51.6 or 52.3 mm by design.
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would monopoly money do...
I could really use a get out of debtors prison free card!
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The design patent determines what the nominal focal length is going to be. Plus convention of course, as most '50' mm lenses are ~51.6 or 52.3 mm by design.
AF-S 50/1.8G would be Nikon's first 50mm lens that is truly 50mm: the catalog says that its angle-of-view is 47 degree as opposed to 46 degrees of all the previous Nikkors.
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Interesting. The picture angle of the 25-50/4 is 80°40' - 47°50', compared to 46° for most other 50mm Nikkors.
The wider angle of view suggests the focal length at the nominal 50mm setting is also somewhat shorter than other 50mm lenses (which are mostly 51.6mm - see http://www.nikkor.com/story/0049/ towards the end)
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Interesting. The picture angle of the 25-50/4 is 80°40' - 47°50', compared to 46° for most other 50mm Nikkors.
The wider angle of view suggests the focal length at the nominal 50mm setting is also somewhat shorter than other 50mm lenses (which are mostly 51.6mm - see http://www.nikkor.com/story/0049/ towards the end)
I think it is understandable that the focal length of the long end of a "wide zoom" is rounded to 50mm. The situation is a bit different from that of 50mm primes.
Also, a recent interview to Nikon designers of AF-S 105/1.4E revealed that the actual focal length of the nominal 35mm lenses have been 36mm. (see this new thread of mine: http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,4593.0.html)
According to Nikon website, the angle-of-view of Ais 35/1.4 is 62 degree wheras those of AF-S 35/1.4G and 35/1.8G are both 63 degree. It might be only recent years that Nikon started to design 35mm lenses as true 35mm.
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Both lenses now officially announced, see press release for the 19mm PC-E here: http://www.nikon.com/news/2016/1019_lens_01.htm (http://www.nikon.com/news/2016/1019_lens_01.htm).
Price 4000 USD.
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Also, a recent interview to Nikon designers of AF-S 105/1.4E revealed that the actual focal length of the nominal 35mm lenses have been 36mm. (see this new thread of mine: http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,4593.0.html)
According to Nikon website, the angle-of-view of Ais 35/1.4 is 62 degree wheras those of AF-S 35/1.4G and 35/1.8G are both 63 degree. It might be only recent years that Nikon started to design 35mm lenses as true 35mm.
Yes I was aware that older "35mm" lenses have a focal length of 36mm - this information is given in lens diagrams from old Nikon Dealer Sales Manuals - I have copies from 1968, 1972 and 1977 :)
Most wide lenses from that period (and I assume through the AIS and AF periods) have a true focal length slightly longer than the nominal value. Once you get longer than 50mm, the focal length is true (for primes at least).
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Yes at infinity, all of the IF lenses change more or less as focused closer.
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Roland, thanks for the additional info on the discrepancy between the nominal and the actual focal lengths.
Yes at infinity, all of the IF lenses change more or less as focused closer.
And RF (rear focus) lenses, too?
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Yes RF lenses, IF, Zoom, CRC ... any lens which has groups of elements moving in relation to other groups when focusing, the focal length will change.
In most cases the focal length gets shorter when focusing closer, this has an advantage of making the lens barrel more compact. In the AIS 55 micro, probably the 85/2.8 PC which has very similar optical design, and a few others, the focal length actually increases on focusing closer.
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Thanks Roland
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Yes RF lenses, IF, Zoom, CRC ... any lens which has groups of elements moving in relation to other groups when focusing, the focal length will change.
In most cases the focal length gets shorter when focusing closer, this has an advantage of making the lens barrel more compact. In the AIS 55 micro, probably the 85/2.8 PC which has very similar optical design, and a few others, the focal length actually increases on focusing closer.
Any hard evidence of the assertion about the 55 Micro? Taken at face value, an increased focal length during closer focusing would require even more extension (or equivalently, less magnification for a given added travel of the optics) and greater reduction in effective aperture. Somehow this doesn't sound right.
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The way the CRC in the 55mm Ais 2.8 is working is show quite clearly here:
http://www.pierretoscani.com/echo_shortpres.html#shortpres05
When the Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 Ais is set to minimum focus (reproduction ratio 1:2), the space between the two sub-units is about 12 mm, so the focal length of the lens is about 57 mm (instead of 55 mm on infinity focus).
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Thanks Eric :)
You can see the longer focal length of the AIS 55 micro in action if you compare with the older AI 55/3.5 - the AIS extends more and the focus distance at 1:2 is greater (0.25m vs 0.241m). The AIS 55 micro actually focuses a little closer than 1:2, so it can get to 1:1 with the PK-13. If the focal length is 57mm at 1:2, it would require 28.5mm extension to achieve 1:1, and the 27.5mm PK-13 is too short, so the lens was designed to focus a little closer to compensate.
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Very interesting. Indeed Ais Micro 55/2.8 will focus past 1:2 (the magnification factor index on the focusing ring) on its own.
Thanks for the interesting discussion!