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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: richardHaw on February 19, 2016, 16:05:06
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:o :o :o
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/leaked-first-picture-of-the-crazy-sigma-50-100mm-f1-8-lens/
Holy sh@:¥-@/¥)/&:&@/!!!!
Nikon used to be the pioneer, wonder what happened
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I've heard that there is a young talented designer at Sigma who designed 35/1.4 and 18-35/1.8.
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I've heard that there is a young talented designer at Sigma who designed 35/1.4 and 18-35/1.8.
he is 天才(genius)！！！ :o :o :o
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Lensrentals were very positive about the mechanical quality of the Sigma 35/1.4 Art, when they did a teardown of that lens. It seems that Sigma has come very far with both the mechanics and optics of their lenses.
The Sigma MC-11 adapter makes things look interesting even for the Sony E mount with full electronic integration.
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Looks like a live music photographer's dream! For live music, f/2 is the aperature I stay at for good images so a f/1.8 lens is pretty ideal.
I wish Nikon would get a little innovative too. i appreciate the core tech being pushed, but wish there were more interesting things happening.
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Looks like a live music photographer's dream! For live music, f/2 is the aperature I stay at for good images so a f/1.8 lens is pretty ideal.
I wish Nikon would get a little innovative too. i appreciate the core tech being pushed, but wish there were more interesting things happening.
Not only live music, but also competitive dancing and possibly gymnastics.
Well done that man!
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Combine the 50-100/1.8 + MC-11 adapter and the coming Sony A6300 with a silent shutter, and you can shoot live music, dance etc. with total silence. The Sony A6300 offers a fully electronic shutter, but it remainscto be seen, if there will be banding issues with that shutter.
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I've been wishing for a 50-100 zoom with high picture quality and decent mechanical design for years. I'd have settled for f/2.8 or f/2.3, but this could be nice...if it isn't too gigantic.
Edit: Ooops...it's APS-C and gigantic. Oh well...
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Indeed : 1.5kg, 82mm filter size...
But most remarkably: 15 elements in 21 groups- now that's an achievement!
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The Olympus 35-100/2 for 43 DSLRs was about just as big as the Sigma 50-100/1.8.
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SIGMA and Tamron is putting a lot of pressure on Nikon these days, which is a good thing! :o :o :o
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But most remarkably: 15 elements in 21 groups- now that's an achievement!
Probably some Star Trek technology in it :)
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must be the other way around :o :o :o
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As much as I like my Sigma 24 1.4 Art and 35 1.4 Art, Sigma's new lenses confuse me. The 24-35 f2 being case in point. I do not know one person that has bought one. It may, or may not be, a great lens, but the focal range, size and weight just make no sense to me. The rumoured lens for Dx falls in the same category for me. If I used 50mm more, I would seriously consider the 50 1.4 Art. I would be much more likely to reach for the 58 1.4 , 85 1.4 (or 1.8 ) and an Ai/Ais 105 or 135.
I agree that Sigma have upped their game but I might have jumped at the Fx 135 f2 OS Art that was rumoured for so long. Even the oft rumoured 85 1.4 Art might have made me think.
If Dx keeps improving to the point it can be used for less than good light, at indoor sports/events the lens at 75-150 at 1.8 may sell.
I think some of their lenses are produced just to show they can make them ;)
Tom
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SIGMA and Tamron is putting a lot of pressure on Nikon these days, which is a good thing! :o :o :o
By introducing DX lenses nobody will buy??
Those interested in these type of lenses mainly shoot FX or smaller formats for their smaller lenses. The masses still using the DX format are not interested in these type of behemoth (sorry, playing Fallout 4 at the moment) lenses, they want small zooms that weigh nothing.
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Looks like a live music photographer's dream! For live music, f/2 is the aperature I stay at for good images so a f/1.8 lens is pretty ideal.
I wish Nikon would get a little innovative too. i appreciate the core tech being pushed, but wish there were more interesting things happening.
Tristin, why don't you try an 85/1.4 and you will have all the speed and quality you would never need for concerts. You can shoot @ f/2 all night long and have sharp and contrast images. And if that's too short. treat yourself with a 200/2 8)
Or simply do what most knowledgeable and sensible folks do when shooting concerts and that's use a 70-200/2.8VR.
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I think the sole reason for the fast mid-tele zoom like this is to have the same shallow DOF of 80-200 class f2..8 zoom on an APS-C format. I understand this. But, as some folks say, this bulk and weight makes a full-frame combo more sensible.
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I also think DX lenses should be designed to be compact, in line with the shape and size of the cameras.
The narrow zoom range seems to put FX at an advantage. 2.9x range vs. 2x, though Nikon's current 70-200/2.8 II doesn't have that ratio at closer distances.
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Tristin, why don't you try an 85/1.4 and you will have all the speed and quality you would never need for concerts. You can shoot @ f/2 all night long and have sharp and contrast images. And if that's too short. treat yourself with a 200/2 8)
Or simply do what most knowledgeable and sensible folks do when shooting concerts and that's use a 70-200/2.8VR.
As much as the 85mm f/1.4 is surely a phenomenal lens, I intend to keep my entire camera kit compact enough to fit in my backpack so I need to avoid focal lengths that are too close to each other. I would love love love to have a 200mm f/2, but being a musician does not pay that well! As for the 70-200mm f/2.8 I find zooms boring, f/2.8 is too slow for me and that is also too expensive for me.
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DX still has it's market share (also with other brands, including pentax most specially).
i know a few pros back home who shoot DX exclusively. it is not that they cannot afford to go FX but they are just used to it and has invested a lot into the DX system when Nikon only produced that ::)
while it is true that SIGMA is just producing these to show off, i do know some people who use these lenses (like the 18-35 f/1.8) for video. these lenses are aimed at a different (niche) market segment.
this lens will be great for the D500 :o :o :o
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If we are to believe Thom Hogan, the DX/APS-C has a dominating market share. Far from all APS-C/DX DSLRs can be considered compact or small, e.g. Nikon D7200 and D500 or Canon 7D mkII. The D500 should have the sensor to go with this lens.
Maybe some D500 owners will get this lens for its' sheer speed, that almost no other zoom can match. With the Sigma MC-11 adapter it can be used with the Sony A6300 with a spanking new sensor too, which has got a totally silent electronic shutter. Nice if there is something or someone that can't be disturbed, not even by a flash.
A zoom that stays at 2x or less zoom ratio is usually made with fewer compromises than most other zooms.
Fast zooms: Sigma 18-35/1.8, Sigma 50-100/1.8, Olympus 14-35/2, Olympus 35-100/2.
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It is all down to sensor technology and processors. Fuji, Nikon, Sony, Canon (Samsung ??) Pentax APS-C cameras. I see more small Nikon and Canon entry level/consumer cameras than anything else. Yesterday my wife and I shot India Bike Week and , as usual, I photographed most people I saw with cameras. I did not see another Fx camera or MILC . I did see many Nikon and Canon small DSLRs, a few Bridge , a few P&S , uncountable Mobile phones, and one bright orange Pad(could have been an Ultrabook) ;D . The day before I did see a Biker with a Sony A DSLR.
The silent shutter on the EM1 (latest FW) is very nice to have feature. My wife used it (with 12-40 2.8 ) to shoot a school's musical event but not any dancing so the shutter speeds were low for a reasonably dark venue. It will be very interesting to see how the a6300 works with the electronic shutter. Most interested to see if there are any negative trade-offs as with the silent shutter in the a7RII. I am not expecting the D500 to be a low light/high ISO champion but If it beats the D700 I would be most happy :) .
FWIW, I wound up shooting the D750 ( approx. 450 clicks) and the Df (approx. 75 clicks) almost exclusively . The a7II really did not cope with the rapid action coming from all sides (35 clicks). There was plenty of light so any of my Dx bodies would probably have coped. I had never really planned on using the Sony for action events. I was disappointed that the dust was so bad I did not get to try out some different lenses. I really wanted to use the Voigt 15 f4.5III. I should have had it mounted to begin with. Bikers love to have you shoot them on their bikes , fun verbal and non-verbal exchanges ;D
Back to the subject ;) the new Sigma would not have been a lens of choice at that Focal range . I would have been better off shooting the 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 but I cannot handle that weight for 3 hours of standing these days :( . The 24-120 f4vr and 85 1.8G were fine.
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another thing is that Canikon has almost all but abandoned their crop lens line and this is where 3rd party players come into play :o :o :o
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Richard, depends on how you look at it :) . I started with the 18-70 and 18-200vr on the D200 in the Monsoon. Those two lenses lasted me about four months and as soon as possible I shifted to the 17-55 2.8 and 70-200 2.8VR. I personally only have two Dx lenses left, the Nikon 12-24 f4 and the 17-70 2.8-4 |C for the D7100. My wife sold her D90 and most of her Dx lenses. My son still has his D5100, 18-105 vr , 18-55 vr and 55-200vr but uses FX lenses when he decides to use the camera. He is using his EM1 and Smartphone 95% of the time. When he shoots birds he uses the D7100, 80-400 afs or the 500 vr.
I personally think the reasonably new 1.8 line-up of primes is great for the Dx bodies. The new 16-80 lens is supposed to be very good (?) Having said that, I agree that other manufacturers are doing a very nice job but the 18-35 1.8, and this new lens, are not consumer lenses (size, weight and cost) . If one is a Sports/wildlife/event shooter that has stuck with Dx you are probably already using some big, heavy lenses so the size and weight will not be a bother.
Tom
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If we are to believe Thom Hogan, the DX/APS-C has a dominating market share.
Well, we are not the majority in terms of camera marketshare, that would be all those people that tell you they also have a DRLS and come up with some bogus specifications when asked what lenses they use. These regular consumers will not buy this lens but will probably buy a mirrorless kit when their "DRLS" dies.
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Well, we are not the majority in terms of camera marketshare, that would be all those people that tell you they also have a DRLS and come up with some bogus specifications when asked what lenses they use. These regular consumers will not buy this lens but will probably buy a mirrorless kit when their "DRLS" dies.
Your statement is too general.
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Hey J.A., spot the camera ;)
just for fun. D750,24-120f4vr and a super fast quick fix PP (basically ooc) I di find an image of a guy with a 6D, 70-200f4 and another guy with a D7000 and some small zoom :) .
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I was hoping for a lens like this but not at this weight. I have long wanted an update to the old 75-150 f/3.5, or a smaller DX version of same at 50-100mm, but at a modestly fast speed. Sometimes I don't need a really long zoom but I want more flexibility than a prime or two in that range. This rumored lens would make a nice companion to the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8, but ohhh that weight. I would have been happy to settle for f/2.8 at a substantial savings in weight and cost.
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I am going to cover CP+ and I hope to see this thing there. :o :o :o
i will let you know if it is indeed heavy or not. I am guessing that it is probably 1.5X heavier than the 18-35 ::)
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Cool, Richard, reports from the Frontline ;D .
The inclusion of a tripod foot (if correct) on a 7 inch lens is sort of scary and, again, makes me wonder at the intended market but you could be right on the Vids. No mention of being de-clicked mod.
Interesting to see if Nikon has any surprises and if they show the rumoured 1" compacts.
Have fun :)
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Cool, Richard, reports from the Frontline ;D .
The inclusion of a tripod foot (if correct) on a 7 inch lens is sort of scary and, again, makes me wonder at the intended market but you could be right on the Vids. No mention of being de-clicked mod.
Interesting to see if Nikon has any surprises and if they show the rumoured 1" compacts.
Have fun :)
the tripod mount might be removable :o :o :o
i am currently not sure as to where this lens fits in a pro's kit. maybe like what was previously mentioned here it might be a very good portrait lens for DX ::)
these weird sigma zooms sell pretty well here in japan. back home, it's the video guys that buy the 18-35. i tested that lens once and the manual focus ring is so smooth almost feel like a manual focus lens, i swear. it is all quality except for the lack of weather sealing.
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...the manual focus ring is so smooth almost feel like a manual focus lens, i swear. it is all quality except for the lack of weather sealing.
I know Sigma has been upping their game in terms of sharpness, QC and innovation, but that is a major selling point for me. Enjoying the process is a big part of photography for me and AF lenses do not feel pleasant to focus. None that I have touched anyhow, and I am admittedly spoiled by my Ai-s lenses.
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I was hoping for a lens like this but not at this weight. I have long wanted an update to the old 75-150 f/3.5, or a smaller DX version of same at 50-100mm, but at a modestly fast speed.
Sigma did have a DX 50-150/2.8, and Tokina had a 50-135/2.8, both of modest size (67mm filter). Both discontinued. Sigma replaced the original 50-150 with a new OS model the same size as the FX 70-200/2.8, but that's also discontinued.
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I am actually one of those strangers owning the Sigma 18-35 and not for video.
It indeed has a limited zoom range and is quite heavy for a DX lens, but I like using it a lot wide open and you can focus relatively close.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5554/15143863971_177e266a38_o.jpg)
On this new 50-100/1.8 which I have no doubt will be excellent optically, I will pass due to weight, want to keep my DX setup relatively light.
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wow! that bee is sharp!!! :o :o :o
did not know that it can focus that close
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Thanks Richard and the focus range makes it very flexible within its limited zoom range.
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If one is a Sports/wildlife/event shooter that has stuck with Dx you are probably already using some big, heavy lenses so the size and weight will not be a bother.
I may be a minority, but I am not one of them. I consider myself a DX wildlife shooter and my heaviest tele is the Nikkor 300/4 VR with TC-14E III and I sold my Nikkor 500/4P and Tamron 150-600, mostly for the weight (being a walk around wildlife photographer and not so much a fixed spot one).
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ArendV: Cool action image of the bee!
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I may be a minority, but I am not one of them. I consider myself a DX wildlife shooter and my heaviest tele is the Nikkor 300/4 VR with TC-14E III and I sold my Nikkor 500/4P and Tamron 150-600, mostly for the weight (being a walk around wildlife photographer and not so much a fixed spot one).
what body are you using :o :o :o
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Thanks bjornthun and a D7100 Richard (now mostly without grip, in the past D300 with grip).
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http://nikonrumors.com/2016/02/23/sigma-50-100mm-f1-8-dc-hsm-art-lens-for-nikon-f-mount-announced.aspx/
it's official :o :o :o
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I picked up info on the new Sigma MC-11 adapter from Sonyalpharumors. Looks as if Sigma and Nikon are still not working together at all. Just pleased that my Commlite adapter is excellent with my Nikon F Sigma 24 1.4 and 35 1.4 Arts on the Sony.
What is quite interesting is that B&H , while not listing the specs, are listing the TCs 1.4 and 2.0 as accessories. If true, the tc 1.4 makes the lens more interesting at that size and weight.
Tom
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I picked up info on the new Sigma MC-11 adapter from Sonyalpharumors. Looks as if Sigma and Nikon are still not working together at all. Just pleased that my Commlite adapter is excellent with my Nikon F Sigma 24 1.4 and 35 1.4 Arts on the Sony.
What is quite interesting is that B&H , while not listing the specs, are listing the TCs 1.4 and 2.0 as accessories. If true, the tc 1.4 makes the lens more interesting at that size and weight.
Tom
It's much easier to adapt Canon lenses (and Sigma mount), since these have a completely electronic interface. Even the Sigma OS lens stabilizer will work in conjunction with Sony IBIS, and they will share the task of image stabilizing.
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Sigma did have a DX 50-150/2.8, and Tokina had a 50-135/2.8, both of modest size (67mm filter). Both discontinued. Sigma replaced the original 50-150 with a new OS model the same size as the FX 70-200/2.8, but that's also discontinued.
Roland, I do have the larger Sigma 50-150 f/2.8. Nice lens, but it weighs about the same as the new Sigma lens! I also finally noticed that the new Sigma lens doesn't have OS. If I'm doing slow, contemplative photography then I seldom need image stabilization, but when one is on the go (for me, a prime time to use a short tele zoom) then it can come in really handy at times.
The new lens does not hit the sweet spot for me.
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Yes its this big :o :o :o
Aimed at portraiture according to the rep