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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: kasperbergholt on June 05, 2024, 10:02:42

Title: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: kasperbergholt on June 05, 2024, 10:02:42
Clever people,

I have a Nikon D3 (https://bergholt.net/nikon)  with three EN-EL4a batterieas and an MH-22 charger. The batteries are almost dead, so I need to get some new ones. Non-original ones seem to make the most sense price-wise.

In the longer run, I'm planning to upgrade to a D5 (perhaps with a D4 as an intermediate step - just to have a small collection of the D series from 3 and up).

Can EN-EL18 batteries be used in the D3 with the MH-22 charger? Or does the D3 only support -EL4a?

Thanks in advance for the help :)
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: Birna Rørslett on June 05, 2024, 12:29:09
If memory serves -- not entirely sure about that -- you need the EN-EL4x batteries.

Sometimes, running Calibration On with the charger can prolong battery life. However, batteries have a finite life span.
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: Fons Baerken on June 05, 2024, 12:53:03
I'd be curious to know of a third party en-el4/a battery thats good. Here i have 2 OTB 's, 11.1V 2600Ah 28.86Wh, one of them is already dead. I use them next to the original Nikon battery which still works!
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: MEPER on June 05, 2024, 13:07:48
For me the 3. party batteries I have purchased has worked as good as the originals.
There are several brands of 3. party batteries and I try to select a brand with good quality. I use Google to find some reviews.
Probably all batteries (incl. original Nikon) are Made in China.
For Z50 I have two original Nikon and two 3. party branded "Cellonic". On the battery they write "Designed in Germany". They get reasonable good reviews and have worked well so far.
I think original Nikon spare batteries are priced a bit high.
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: Dogman on June 05, 2024, 15:41:40
I have a large collection of third party batteries for the D3, mainly because I have 4 D3 bodies.  They are a mix of various brand names, all made in China and possibly all from the same assembly line.  What I have found is that if they fit in the battery compartment properly and take a full charge on initial charging, they're likely reliable.  In long term use the third party batteries don't hold a charge as long as the original Nikon batteries but they cost a fraction as much. 
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: kasperbergholt on June 05, 2024, 17:56:09
Thank you for the replies, all :)

Any takes on whether EN-EL18 batteries can be used in the D3 (and with the MH-22 charger)?
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: Birna Rørslett on June 05, 2024, 18:18:55
Although the form factors look similar, the position of the battery contacts is different.  They sit on the other side. Thus, the answer is no.
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: John Geerts on June 06, 2024, 19:47:52
I have a large collection of third party batteries for the D3, mainly because I have 4 D3 bodies.  They are a mix of various brand names, all made in China and possibly all from the same assembly line.  What I have found is that if they fit in the battery compartment properly and take a full charge on initial charging, they're likely reliable.  In long term use the third party batteries don't hold a charge as long as the original Nikon batteries but they cost a fraction as much.
I have the same experience with the D2X. D3s and D3x batteries. 

BTW the Nikon Z9 can use all the batteries from the D4/s  D5 and D6
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: kasperbergholt on June 06, 2024, 20:45:12
Although the form factors look similar, the position of the battery contacts is different.  They sit on the other side. Thus, the answer is no.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on June 07, 2024, 11:10:40
When my two D3-era EN-EL4a batteries died, I got a brand new Nikon one to continue to be able to use my D3X. I don't use it a lot, but do use it as my primary studio camera (all the settings are dialed in, so I just pick it up and shoot); the ergonomics are great, I shoot at ISO 100, and I don't need a newer camera for this purpose. I figured if I can get 5-8 more years out of it with the new battery, it can then be retired. ;-)
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: kasperbergholt on June 07, 2024, 14:22:08
For me the 3. party batteries I have purchased has worked as good as the originals.
There are several brands of 3. party batteries and I try to select a brand with good quality. I use Google to find some reviews.
Probably all batteries (incl. original Nikon) are Made in China.
For Z50 I have two original Nikon and two 3. party branded "Cellonic". On the battery they write "Designed in Germany". They get reasonable good reviews and have worked well so far.
I think original Nikon spare batteries are priced a bit high.

Thank you for the feedback :)

The two batteries I've got both have the text 'Made in Japan' on them. I thought they were identical, but one is a EN-EL4 and the other a EN-EL4A. The difference seems to be between 1900mAh and 2500mAH - and the text is placed slightly different.

Could there be different productions run from both Japan and China?

(https://bergholt.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/nikon-battery-en-el4a-scaled.jpg)


Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: Birna Rørslett on June 07, 2024, 18:57:17
I vague remember the EN-EL4a appeared with the D3S?

You can use either of them, but the 'a' lasts a little longer.
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on June 10, 2024, 11:43:20
I vague remember the EN-EL4a appeared with the D3S?

You can use either of them, but the 'a' lasts a little longer.

My D3 also came with the EN-EL4a in January 2008.
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on June 12, 2024, 21:28:23
A perhaps related question ... my D3X clock doesn't hold time any more, it resets itself to 2007. The main battery is good, but it seems the clock battery is not.

Is this something that can still be serviced?
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: Stephan on June 12, 2024, 21:56:07
Easy doable; one CR1616 + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u1_2Es0E-o
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on June 13, 2024, 16:12:14
Easy doable; one CR1616 + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u1_2Es0E-o

Thank you. I got a new CR1616, and replaced the one original in the camera (they say it lasts 4 years, but it actually lasted  three times that ...). I had no idea there was this battery and its door was at such an easily accessible location. ;-)

The camera now remembers the time and date correctly.
Title: Re: EN-El3 vs EN-EL18 for Nikon D3, D4 and D5
Post by: Stephan on June 13, 2024, 20:26:26
Great it worked out!

In my D2X from 2005 I had to replace it once (about 3 years ago)
In my D3 from 2008 there is still the first one going strong.

I replace the EN-EL4's regularly and rotate them every 2 months or so, which might help the CR1616 big time....