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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: RobOK on August 21, 2021, 17:53:16
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I would like an ultra compact Z setup with a relative fast lens (1.8-2.8 ) for sometimes street, sometimes indoor events. On the go shooting.
the Z lens are big and the FTZ adds size.
What have people found the best one lens, low bulk option? (Ofc the kit lens is not all that big but still hoping for smaller)
Rob.
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I don't have them yet but Nikon make a few compact Z lenses including the 24-50, the 28/2.8 and 50/2.8 macro which are quite compact. There will also be a 40/2.
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I would like an ultra compact Z setup with a relative fast lens (1.8-2.8 ) for sometimes street, sometimes indoor events. On the go shooting.
the Z lens are big and the FTZ adds size.
What have people found the best one lens, low bulk option? (Ofc the kit lens is not all that big but still hoping for smaller)
Rob.
What is the "Ofc" kit lens? I'm not acquainted with "Ofc."
The size of Z mount prime lenses are generally disappointing to me. Compare the NIKKOR Z 50mm f/1.8 S, AF-S NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8G and AF NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8D. Of those three only the early AF/AF-D 50/1.8 Nikkors are small and light. I had hoped that Nikon would bring quality, performance and size together in Z mount lenses.
Dave
A few edits above to make more sense.
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Ofc - Of cause
And yes the new 28mm ;)
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I don't follow the shorthand used in MSM texts so I was baffled. Thank you.
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You can choose two out of three qualities: affordable, small, and high quality.
I would highly recommend you take some photos with the Z 50/1.8 S side by side with the 50/1.8 AF or AF-D. I think you will not likely complain about its size again after evaluating the images. :)
For a bit less quality and smaller size, I am sure the compact primes will do nicely. However, for me the f/1.8 S primes seem ideal for a lot of reasons.
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You can choose two out of three qualities: affordable, small, and high quality.
It's not as simple as choosing two out of three. As I see it it's more choose one of three: affordable or high quality. There should be something between an all plastic lens and a fairly large, high quality lens. Maybe there is no market for such a compromise but don't think what is available is not a compromise. Every lens is a compromise.
Cameras are compromises also. The Nikon Z fc isn't quite what I want but if it had a few things I want the price might be too high for many of it's target buyers. The Nikon Z fc is selling for $957.00 (body only, USD) as I type at B&H Photo, NY, NY. It's $1,097.00 with a 16-50mm zoom. I'm going to recommend the later option to a nephew with a 6 month old baby. I feel strongly that the life of a child is too short to waste on smart phone photos alone.
Dave
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I would like an ultra compact Z setup with a relative fast lens (1.8-2.8 ) for sometimes street, sometimes indoor events. On the go shooting.
the Z lens are big and the FTZ adds size.
Rob.
Cross your fingers and hope the NIKKOR Z 40mm f/2 is a worthy lens. I read it will have a plastic bayonet but I guess if the price is wright and performance on FX acceptable for street it might be a good start. I'd like a smaller lighter 50/2.0 and 35/2.0 Z FX with the promised better performance of Z lenses due to the short back focus distance but I don't think it will happen and please I change lenses so I want a chromed, bronze bayonet.
Dave
I dream of a Nikon Z7 II and maybe three lenses.
I can make you mine, taste your lips of wine
Anytime night or day
Only trouble is, gee whiz
I'm dreamin' my life away
--Boudleaux Bryant (Everly Brothers)
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I don't follow the shorthand used in MSM texts so I was baffled. Thank you.
“MSM texts” - not familiar
Do you mean SMS?
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I would highly recommend you take some photos with the Z 50/1.8 S side by side with the 50/1.8 AF or AF-D. I think you will not likely complain about its size again after evaluating the images. :)
Yes,yes. I should have given more context. I don’t mean for an always lens, but for a 25% of time - out to dinner, out at night — where photography is not the focus. Where for that session I’d give up a little quality for more compact size!
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“MSM texts” - not familiar
Do you mean SMS?
Probably: SMS. I guess MSM was just invented by me. :-[
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I would look after a M39 rangefinder lens and use a M39 to Z adapter.
The 25/4 Snapshot Skopar is nice but if too slow then maybe a 50/2 Jupiter 8 or 50/1.5 Jupiter 3.
There are many other options.
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Nikkor 45mm f/2.8 P on an FTZ. Or a 50mm f/1.8 AI or AIS for more speed.
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I would like an ultra compact Z setup with a relative fast lens (1.8-2.8 ) for sometimes street, sometimes indoor events. On the go shooting.
Are you looking for AF lenses only or are small, fast, manual focus lenses acceptable?
Dave
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Voigtländer 40mm f/2 SL.2 is compact, and quite fast. It makes a good combination on the Z fc and handles well even with the bulky FTZ inserted. The lens is manual focus and has a CPU thus is fully compatible with the F- as well as the Z-system.
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Meike Z-mount 50mm f1.7. Manual focus. Small, image quality is ok+, and good looking :D
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Here is how a Z50 looks with 25/4 Snapshot Skopar attached.
The M39 adapter is quite small and it gives a lot of options for using rangefinder lenses.
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....and now with 50/2 Jupiter 8.
These lenses are cheap and feels quite well-made.
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Here I used the Z50 + Jupiter 8 and made a snapshot of my old D5200 with J8 set to f/2 (full aperture).
This just to show that the setup actual works well and these old cheap lenses performs well.
Most of theses kind of rangefinder lenses usual have many aperture blades so aperture is perfect round at all aperture settings.
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Some interesting avenues to explore for sure!!
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Even more options as Megadap has announced a Sony-E to Nikon-Z adapter with full AF-support. This means an avalanche of (compact) Sony-E lenses can now be adapted to a Nikon-Z camera.
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With Jupiter-8 on Z50 I tested the street "snap-shot" capability.
It is relative easy to manual focus. Infinity focus has to be checked as the adapter seems to allow focus slightly past infinity.
With Sony adapter the "Voigtländer" 65mm APO-Lanthar macro could be interesting.
Seems most for sale 2nd hand are for Sony mount. But I think that is a physical large lens. Not for "street".....
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Even more options as Megadap has announced a Sony-E to Nikon-Z adapter with full AF-support. This means an avalanche of (compact) Sony-E lenses can now be adapted to a Nikon-Z camera.
When reading the announcement it also seems they will support those third party lenses a lot better than the TechArt version I have which reports the wrong exif with the VM15/4.5 and the aperture ring doesn't work with the Sony Zeiss 35/1.4.
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With Sony adapter the "Voigtländer" 65mm APO-Lanthar macro could be interesting.
Seems most for sale 2nd hand are for Sony mount. But I think that is a physical large lens. Not for "street".....
Voigtlander has a ton of E lenses, one of the fast 35 or 40mm lenses should be great for street work:
https://www.voigtlaender.de/lenses/e-mount/?lang=en
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Sony (E mount) and L39/ LTM mount lenses have a close register distance to Z mount.
I am enjoying my Leonon 50mm f/2 as standart lens for its sharpness and character.
Also the Biogon 35mm f/2 Zeiss ZM (leica M mount). as sharp as his big brother Distagon ZF2.
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The 25mm "snapshot Skopar" is a very nice compact lens.
Think this lens would be my choice for Z50 if I could only select one compact prime lens for a trip.
But with adapter it is important to check infinity as with Pixco adapter the lens focus a bit past infinity.
I had this lens on Z50 for a short walk this evening.
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My favourite small lens on my Z7 is the Voigtlander 35/1.4 Leica mount with LM-NZ adaptor.