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Frank Fremerey

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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2015, 19:57:28 »
Video LED is more mobile but the colour profile is not as clean as natural light. Most of the shots I could do with f=10 and 1/1000 s with an ISO setting below 500 which does not cause me headache at all
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2015, 19:59:39 »
Erik: What about the MF 105/4?
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Bjørn Rørslett

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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2015, 20:05:47 »
That was the lens Erik referred to.

Beware it has a long fcus throw which is beneficial for exact focusing but not for focusing speed.
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2015, 20:32:34 »
Bjørn & Erik: Is there somewhere a comprehensive guide to Micro Nikkors.

I am sure you did recommend the 4.0/200mm and the 4.0/105mm for a reason and not the 2.8-Varieties of the 105mm for example which are plenty with the VR as the newest incarnation OR the AF-Version of the 200mm
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2015, 20:35:59 »
You deal with shy insects so want the longest possible working distance ==> 200/4 MF
You want very rapid manual focusing ==> 200/4 MF
You want the highest image quality => 105/4 (and others)
You want a light and versatile Micro ==> 105/4
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2015, 22:32:16 »
You need to read more carefully Frank... All of the bits for the puzzle has been laid out.

Most new Micro Nikkors have IF it makes focal length shorter, much shorter, so you will have to go closer to get the similar FOV compared to the older Micro Nikkors that have unit focusing, constant Focal Length...

When you have to get closer you scare them and also need to move around franticly - Frankly,,,, Longer working distance much less so, also better for lighting the subject.

Look at Rolands pages and see working distance 105/4 vs 105/2.8 IF (AFSVR) difference is about 10cm!

200/4 Ais is perfect combination you loose a little and maintain the working distance and get quick MF and here double the working distance! it has IF but not so much loss of FL.

Led video lights are most of them balanced perfectly you just adjust it for correct WB!
Bjørn nailed it with 200/4

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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2015, 22:52:57 »
The 200/4 MF Micro-Nikkor was, and still is, my favourite tool for shooting butterflies and other small flying creatures.

The AF version is much bigger and heavier, and its AF is glacial if you are tempted against all rational senses to use it for close-ups. Its working distance is much shorter than with the MF model, too.
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2015, 23:38:58 »
Quote from: Bjørn Rørslett on August 10, 2015, 22:52:57


The AF version is much bigger and heavier, and its AF is glacial if you are tempted against all rational senses to use it for close-ups. Its working distance is much shorter than with the MF model, too.

Would it be inappropriate to express my admiration at your choice of words :)
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2015, 23:40:05 »
Words were chosen with care to get the point across ...
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2015, 00:25:09 »
Your critique of Nikon's product policy is blasphemous if this term is allowed in a business context *LOL*

I think by buying the 4/200 yesterday I proved that I got you if only on a subconscious level.

Your help greatly appreciated.
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2015, 01:29:14 »
Nah - the AF 200 Micro-Nikkor is more than 20 years old by now, so blaming this oldtimer for a poor AF performance is no heresy in any context anywhere. Plus it is moot as the main problem is doing AF up close. You lose critical control over your shot.
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2015, 04:03:12 »
Bjørn and some others revealed that AF-D Micro 200/4.0 also has the A-M ring cracking problem.
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2015, 04:18:31 »
Indeed it has. A problem that can hit even when the A/M ring isn't used at all. My 200 AF Micro suffered from this after some ten years of the non-use of the A/M feature and the repair is costly.
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2015, 04:45:27 »
Quote from: Bjørn Rørslett on August 11, 2015, 04:18:31
Indeed it has. A problem that can hit even when the A/M ring isn't used at all. My 200 AF Micro suffered from this after some ten years of the non-use of the A/M feature and the repair is costly.

Sorry to sidetrack, but did you find the same problem with other lenses with A/M rings like AF-D85/1.4, 135/2.0 or 105/2.0?  I've had AF-D Micro 60/2.8 also with A/M ring, but maybe I haven't had mine long enough to make sure.
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Re: Body workout on bees, with examples
« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2015, 04:55:26 »
My 105/2 DC developed a hairline crack and later the entire lens split into two. No issue so far with the AF 85/1.4 although I can see a crack is about to form.
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