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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2019, 10:53:45 »
Leica M 35mm f/1.4 ASPH FLE works really well, amazing actually also on Sony A7 series cameras.
The Leica M 24mm f/3.8 ASPH doesn't it is more or less useless.


But another thing is; Even with focus peaking your challenged since they are so sharp, too much lights up as in focus, so correct focus is not easy,,,
There a rangefinder system is much better!


I se similar difficulty with Nikkor 19mm PCE f/4 - Too much lights up as if it is in focus so it is difficult to find the actual focus plane even at f/4 in on Z7 and in Live View on Nikon D850, so I use a Hoodman loupe to see the image on the rear display of the D850 for critical work.
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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2019, 11:17:43 »
Digital sensors work best if the light strikes near perpendicular, I guess this is why modern mirrorless wide-angle lenses are telecentric, and relatively big. Most wide-standard Leica M lenses are not telecentric, the exit pupil is very close to the sensor and light strikes the corners of the image at a shallow angle.

This is why I'll avoid any wide-angle lenses, wider than 24 mm.

It is nice to use old quality glass on new cameras, even if the resulting combination looks less than elegant, the proof is in the pictures!

Well, this is a subjective matter. ;)

Thanks Roland, for your interesting explanations.

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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2019, 11:46:46 »
But another thing is; Even with focus peaking your challenged since they are so sharp, too much lights up as in focus, so correct focus is not easy,,,
There a rangefinder system is much better!

Thanks for this analysis, Eric !

I will henceforth cheek carefully when I am focusing...Or buy a Leica body ! ;D

I had a try using the zoom, but the focus peaking lights disappear as you are zooming, which is not an issue, as the focus point is enlarged.

By the way, I am wondering whether the Z7 is better with M lenses than the Z6 as it has no filter on its sensor.

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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2019, 14:15:05 »
As far as I have heard it's a much more easy, distinct and clear view using focus peaking on the Z7 compared to Z6 for critical manual focus lenses,,,
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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2019, 15:41:47 »
As far as I have heard it's a much more easy, distinct and clear view using focus peaking on the Z7 compared to Z6 for critical manual focus lenses,,,

Technically It should be better as the Z7 has no anti-aliasing filter.
As the focus peaking, I am happy with it on the Z6 (I use the yellow colour).

See you soon, Erik, my 125mm apo-lanthar will be with me... ;)
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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2019, 15:58:57 »
Just got a Voigtländer 75mm f/2.5 LTM mount I won on ebay. Nearly mint condition with its L39/M adapter.

The first tries are promising : rendition, sharpness and bokeh not bad, but its lightness is incredible...

240 gr. with both caps!  :P :)

So, now I have got the basic series : 35mm f/3.5 Leitz Summaron, 50mm f/1.5 Leitz Summarit and this last one 75mm.


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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2019, 19:52:48 »
Salut Rosko !

Thanks for your testing !
I had the same (but black) Voigt 75 and it really is a good lens (on film or Fuji XE2), light, solid and good contrast (bokeh is so-so, depending on background and distance...).
I found lens hood too short and not very practical (screw-in).
On my Fuji XE2s the best lenses I had were the Summicron M 2/50 (type 5) and the Canon 1,4/50 L from the 1954-56 (type 1). Voigt 4/21 M was disappointing, elmarit 2,8/28 (4) was good but not so brilliant as with film. tele Elmarit 2,8/90 was very good (contrasty) with good light but poor against backlight (contrejours).

Nantes cathédrale : 90mm Tele Elmarit
Collonges la Rouge (in BW!) 28mm Elmarit

Hope to get a Z6 or Z7 to test my Leica M lenses with it !

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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2019, 21:34:17 »
Thanks for your passage, Didier !

Glad to hear some feedbacks about the Voigt 75mm. Overall, mostly all users I could read on line are satisfied.

I start with cheap lenses first until I am sure M lenses match very well the Z6. I keep an eye on 40mm LTM lenses, as this focal would replace both 50mm and 35mm. this focal exists in Leitz, Minolta, Voigtländer (but not the best, according to many reviews).

So, I need to use more the lenses I have, to build a firm opinion before investing in expensive lenses.

Francis.

Below : 75mm color heliar at closest distance (1 meter):

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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2019, 21:39:43 »
# Same lens, same distance :
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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2019, 21:41:40 »
# 3- still the same distance, lightly cropped :
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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2019, 12:47:16 »
Summicron C 2/40mm from the CL or Minolta CLE 2/40mm are the same lenses and very good (I did not test it but reading some blogs...).

They cost usually between 300 and 500 € today...A few years ago, I found a CLE with 2/40mm for 500€ !

Voigt 1,4/40 seems not a so good performer, a new 1,2/40 seems much better but not so cheap ! If only Voigtländer would/ could make a good 2/40mm like the SL 2 for Nikon and Canon SLR !

Or if Nikon could make some compact, light  Z-lenses (like Fuji with its 2/23 ; 2/35; 2/50 and the new 2,8/16...for APS/DX)...!

A bon entendeur salut ! (French to say " Hope they (someone) hear that. "

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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2019, 13:37:04 »
Francis: let us see more photos!
You are out there. You and your camera. You can shoot or not shoot as you please. Discover the world, Your world. Show it to us. Or we might never see it.

Me: https://youpic.com/photographer/frankfremerey/

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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2019, 14:42:22 »
 
The cropped pic I didn't post yesterday...With Voigt 75mm Color Heliar.

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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2019, 00:36:17 »
The only real advantage that the Z series has over the Sony E mirrorless cameras is that the flange distance is 16mm, which is 2mm shallower than the Sony mount, and which is significant for some special purpose lenses. That being said, both the Z6 and Z7 suffer from PDAF striping (not really banding), which can become obvious in high contrast scenes or with post processing, and which is a big downside, in my experience, using vintage lenses, which are often of low contrast and sharpness, and for which post processing is useful.

That being said, mirrorless flange distances are pretty much indispensable when trying to adapt vintage lenses to digital cameras. Personally I prefer Sony A series cameras because they lack the striping problem, but also because adapters are much more widely available, at least for the moment, than for the Nikon Z mount.

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Re: Z6 and Leica M mount lenses : toward the quest of holy grail
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2019, 09:12:07 »
but also because adapters are much more widely available, at least for the moment, than for the Nikon Z mount.

This is what I noticed. But so far I could find all adapters I need.
# M42/Z
# L39/
# MD-Rokkor/Z
# of course M/Z
# and even an Exacta/Z in case I find a hugo meyer bargain... ;)

I even made a wooden Zeiss/Contax645/Z with mahogany :o, but it's not very good looking as my wood lathe is still in France... ::)
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