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Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« on: January 20, 2022, 13:45:07 »
Updated lineup with silhouettes of the 7 unannounced future lenses (from Nikon Europe)
And note the timeline: "34 amazing lenses and 2 teleconverters that will be available by the end of 2023." emphasis added. Presumably, this means by April 2023
https://cdn.nikoneurope.com/imported/images/web/EU/learn-and-explore/brochures-leaflets/Mirrorless/NIKKOR_Z_LINEUP_Jan_2022_en_EU_original.pdf

Updated Z Brochure - December 2021
https://cdn.nikoneurope.com/imported/images/web/EU/learn-and-explore/brochures-leaflets/Mirrorless/z_series_brochure_Dec_2021/pdf/nikon_brochure_Z_series_en_EU_web_original.pdf


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Re: Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2022, 15:07:49 »
That thick 85 must be the f/1.2 model? The 12-28 DX seems nice, too.

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Re: Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2022, 15:53:38 »
The 400mm could be an FP lens.  I wonder why the 600mm (presumably f4.0) is longer than 800mm/f6.3?
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Re: Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2022, 16:30:48 »
The 400mm could be an FP lens.  I wonder why the 600mm (presumably f4.0) is longer than 800mm/f6.3?

The 800 mm is a PF lens (it is stated in the Nikon development announcement), the 600 mm appears more like a conventional lens.

Judging from the small difference in physical length between the 400/2.8 TC and the 600 mm, I would assume the 600 mm won't have a built-in TC. Though I suppose the shadow shapes can change before the lens is ready to be released.

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Re: Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2022, 18:07:09 »
The 800 mm is a PF lens (it is stated in the Nikon development announcement), the 600 mm appears more like a conventional lens.

Judging from the small difference in physical length between the 400/2.8 TC and the 600 mm, I would assume the 600 mm won't have a built-in TC. Though I suppose the shadow shapes can change before the lens is ready to be released.

You could be right.  What confuses me more is the necessity of the coexistence of 600/4.0 lens with the 400/2.8 with the build-in 1.4x TC, even considering some superior optical performance of the native 600/4.0 compared with the TC-extended 560mm/4.0.
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Re: Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2022, 20:13:09 »
You could be right.  What confuses me more is the necessity of the coexistence of 600/4.0 lens with the 400/2.8 with the build-in 1.4x TC, even considering some superior optical performance of the native 600/4.0 compared with the TC-extended 560mm/4.0.
I think the Z 600/4 will have a built-in TC. This gives photographers a choice between a 400/2.8 and 560/4 combination, or a 600/4 and 840/5.6 combination. The 400 TC will likely appeal to sports photographers who may need more speed but not so much reach, while the 600 TC could be more useful for birding and other wildlife.

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Re: Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2022, 04:46:58 »
I think the Z 600/4 will have a built-in TC. This gives photographers a choice between a 400/2.8 and 560/4 combination, or a 600/4 and 840/5.6 combination. The 400 TC will likely appeal to sports photographers who may need more speed but not so much reach, while the 600 TC could be more useful for birding and other wildlife.

That could be possible.  For the birders and wildlife photographers, a 1.7x TC to select between 600/4.0 and 1020/6.8 would be nicer.  Nikon can offer the same focal range as the F-mount lineup achieved by the 800/5.6 with the accompanying 1.25x TC.  Also, it can avoid cannibalizing the market for the 800/6.3.
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Re: Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2022, 07:48:12 »
Brand new video (in Japanese though) on Z lens technologies, including latest Meso Amorphous coating and the VCM in the brand new Z 400/2.8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e84bm2rZxE
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Re: Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2022, 09:39:36 »
That could be possible.  For the birders and wildlife photographers, a 1.7x TC to select between 600/4.0 and 1020/6.8 would be nicer.  Nikon can offer the same focal range as the F-mount lineup achieved by the 800/5.6 with the accompanying 1.25x TC.  Also, it can avoid cannibalizing the market for the 800/6.3.

Nikon did not upgrade the TC17 to a Version III, so I doubt that they will come to a internal TC17 Solution. Systematically the upcoming 600/4 should also have a TC but it appears to be rather short. Why NIkon is planning a second 400 mm lens (400/4? PF) is a bit doubtful (less so than adding a 28-75mm f/2,8 though)

the 800/6,3 PF means that there won't be a 800/5,6 soon (if at all). Personnaly I like this 800 mm and the specialized TC800, it sees by far more use thant the 600/4
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Re: Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2022, 10:35:27 »
Why NIkon is planning a second 400 mm lens (400/4? PF) is a bit doubtful (less so than adding a 28-75mm f/2,8 though)

I think the smaller 400 mm is likely to be PF and f/4.5 (but the shadow shapes can change, as did for the 800 mm, so we can't reliably judge aperture from the (shady ;-)) early roadmap illustrations). If it is indeed f/4.5 and PF then the price could be as low as 4000 €, which is way more affordable than the 15449 € 400/2.8.

Such a price difference can easily mean 5 x as many customers can afford an f/4.5 lens than the f/2.8, just based on price alone.  Portability and ease of hand-holding also would be better on an f/4.5 PF than the f/2.8.

In the past Nikon have made 400 mm f/2.8, f/3.5, f/5.6, I do not see why there would not be the need for multiple aperture options in the future as well. Nikon seem quite clever in not duplicating PF lens focal lengths to enable continued sales of both older and newer lenses. For F mount there is 300/4 and 500/5.6; for Z mount there will be 400/4.5 (my guess of the aperture) and 800/6.3. A customer using Z mount can then mix F and Z lenses for a more complete range, if desired, without Nikon having to close the two older options from F-mount users.

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the 800/6,3 PF means that there won't be a 800/5,6 soon (if at all). Personnaly I like this 800 mm and the specialized TC800, it sees by far more use thant the 600/4

I think the 800/6.3 PF is a smart choice from Nikon. 800/5.6 is more difficult to transport and use, requiring tripod, whereas it might be possible to hand-hold the 800/6.3 PF and no doubt many will do so (I prefer tripod for long lenses as I would often wait for the subject to do something for a long time). Combined with a 100-400, 500 PF or 400/4.5 PF I imagine those wanting portable long focal lengths with high quality but not the fastest apertures will be satisfied. Although for 800 mm f/6.3 is quite fast (only 1/3 stop slower than the fastest 800 mm lenses).

Over the next decades I am sure Nikon will offer other options for long focal lengths, but having both 800/5.6 and 800/6.3 in the Z lineup at the same time seems perhaps not realistic from a business perspective. Still, Nikon ambassadors have been using the 800 mm f/5.6 their advertising so clearly these photographers and Nikon consider this lens valuable. McNally, Hilmer, and Valberg come to mind. Since it is widely reported that F-mount lenses focus excellently by the Z9, there should not be any strong pressure on a current user of the 800 mm f/5.6 to give up the lens unless they specifically want the portability of the upcoming f/6.3.


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Re: Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2022, 16:04:32 »
As the 800 f6.3S PF now sports a Gold Ring, we can be confident the optical quality will be in tune with the price.

The final dimensions of the 400 f2.8S TC = 156 x 380 mm. As the 800 PF expanded in size, now it's emerged from its chrysalis. My latest revised dimensions of this 800 f6.3S PF = 147 x 392mm (scaling the known length of the 100-400 f4.5/5.6S). With a minimum window of 127mm, a supertelephoto of this length and magnification demands a rigid chassis. So the shell walls are approx 10mm thick.

With less elements than the a zoom or 400 f2.8S TC so (hopefully) it will weigh less, but one can only guess - 2.8kg, 2.5 kg or perhaps less.

Currently the width of the 400 PF silhouette at approx 103 x 226mm suggests f4.3, or f4.5. Prior to the 800 f6.3 announcement, the asymptote on a maximum Phase-Fresnel elements was approx 90mm with the 500 f5.6 PF, although Nikon has a patent for a 600 f5.6 PF = 107.2mm window. The 800 f6.3 needs a 127mm window so a 400 f4 with 100mm window is entirely possible. The crux is whether the optical design has a maximum dia. phase-fresnel element > 90mm i.e. close to 127mm, or the PF element is further back.


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Re: Nikkor Z System Jan 2022 - Z System Brochure Dec2021
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2022, 22:28:58 »
Yes it is good to have lots of options - and F and Z lineups can be seen combined - for those that are already invested.
And Nikon needs to get to a good variety very fast, mixing "no compromise top quality" lenses with more compact and lightweight PF designs together with affordable non S-line lneses.
And yes, The 800/6,3 PF is very interesting, can play a different role than the current f-mount f/5,6 version and nearly fast.
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