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John Koerner

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #120 on: August 23, 2016, 21:32:54 »
Imatest tells us nothing about CA, bokeh, colour, flare, long distance sharpness, or how the characteristics of the lens combine aesthetically for a particular subject. It's like looking at the world through a keyhole.

Try clicking the links I provided on page 7 (Reply #s 101 and 102 ;))





The 50mm f/1.2 Ai-S handily beats the Noct, in this regard, from f/1.2 until about f/4.

The other issues of flare, vignetting, bokeh, and build quality are discussed regarding each lens as well.

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #121 on: August 23, 2016, 22:21:43 »
John, I've read those articles long ago; it is not very polite to speculate what I do or don't know. You stated "And the 58mm f/1.4G AF seems to be over-priced. It is midway between the 50 Ai-S and the Noct from f/1.4 to f/4, yet excels at nothing at any point, until f/8, where they are all fairly comparable" in your post quoting the Imatest MTF graphs from photographylife.  On the other hand, according to photographylife (and other review sites) the 58/1.4 AF-S has less CA than the Noct, and  on the topic of flare and ghosting the authors say "If you are worried about ghosting and flare, you should avoid the Noct and most other Nikkor classics." Correspondingly they say on the 58/1.4 AF-S: "While Nikon says that Nano coating reduces ghosting and flare, over years I discovered that Nano coated Nikkor lenses also greatly enhance colors and overall contrast. This is especially true when working with back-lit subjects and high-contrast scenes. [clip] As you can see, the lens seems to handle ghosting and flares well, even when pointed directly at the sun."

Personally I like the colours and the fact that the image doesn't wash out so easily when light is coming towards the lens when using the AF-S 58/1.4, and I use this lens often in my photography of events and people (where window light often dominates and would likely wash out images shot with older Nikkors). I also need the autofocus and have very bad experiences trying to focus f/1.2 and f/1.4 lenses manually on Nikon DSLRs (using the OVF). I have many manual focus lenses but none of them are faster than f/2 for this reason, and I typically use those only for landscape and close-up photography, not moving subjects. For tripod based shots of stationary subjects, live view may give the needed confidence in focusing but it doesn't work for kids running around in a room, playing, or people dancing in a dim venue at night.

Every seriously designed lens has its own advantages and disadvantages compared to its peers. "Excels at nothing" is quite harsh and subjective.

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #122 on: August 23, 2016, 22:33:30 »
To all members: this thread has caused some severe contention and become a burden for the moderators. We cannot be ready every minute of the day to moderate posts.

For those in search of a Noct, continue your search. For those owning one, use it. For everyone, go out and take pictures.

This thread will be closed for further posting until the moderators decide when, or if, it can be opened again.




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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #123 on: August 24, 2016, 10:40:34 »
The 'Noct' thread is opened again.

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #124 on: August 24, 2016, 10:43:32 »
the Df and the NOCT can stir up quite the discussion   ::)

do you guys think that if a real 58mm f/1.2 AF-S is made, the prices of the NOCT will go down?

itching to overhaul a NOCT. saw one with fungus but it was sold for $1,500~  :o :o :o NO WAY!!!

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #125 on: August 24, 2016, 10:48:41 »
The original Noct-Nikkor Ai and Ais lenses will keep their prices IMHO
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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #126 on: August 24, 2016, 10:49:09 »
Richard: We have noted the commitments, yes. No harm in being enthusiastic, but do adhere to site rules. We will NOT allow a single thread to overload the NG Crew with moderation challenges. Thus any offending posts here will be deleted immediately with no further notice.

Agree with Erik that the original Noct will by and large keep their price. Their numbers can only decline over time, thus the supply for any one wanting one will steadily diminish. The hand-crafted approach to lens making for sure never can return in an an age where bean counters rule the marketing strategies.

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #127 on: August 26, 2016, 10:57:27 »
after a long battle, i won an Ai-S NOCT for ¥202,001 :o :o :o

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #128 on: August 26, 2016, 11:02:41 »
No casualties, hopefully?

Congratulations on your new lens.

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #129 on: August 26, 2016, 11:06:03 »
No casualties, hopefully?

Congratulations on your new lens.

well, its from a dead guy's relative :o :o :o

put it up on an auction site. says that there is a black dot somewhere inside. if it turned out to be something that I cannot accept then I will just sell it for the price that I got it after I do a lens tear down of course ::)

it's crazy, the battle went on for almost an hour with ¥1.00 price increments ::)

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #130 on: August 26, 2016, 11:47:19 »
Good fight it sounds like. Congrats 😊

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #131 on: August 26, 2016, 12:28:52 »
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it's crazy, the battle went on for almost an hour with ¥1.00 price increments ::)

That kind of bidding serves only the interests of the seller .... The selling price will be inflated. Nobody cares about who is the maximum bidder days, hours, or minutes before the auction closes.

Instead, determine for yourself the maximum price you are willing to pay, and enter your bid  one step over current bid + give your maximum 5 seconds before the auction ends. If you are a daredevil, wait until 2 seconds are left.

You can still be outbid even following such strategy, but at least know by somebody willing to pay more than yourself.

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #132 on: August 26, 2016, 16:48:02 »
I hope that there is nothing wrong with this thing like a missing or bad element :o :o :o

Yahoo! Auctions is the only option here, it does not have the safety checks of eBay and sniping is sniping is also not possible due to a mechanic in the rules wherein the the timer will be reset to 5-10min when a new bidder bids on it or if the price has not met the seller's expectations. the seller also reserves the right to cancel anything.

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #133 on: August 26, 2016, 17:05:54 »
Too bad these auction constraints exist.

This Noct sample appears to be nearly unused.

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Re: Found a Noct...
« Reply #134 on: August 30, 2016, 07:17:19 »
OK, the bigboy has arrived :o :o :o
some specs of dust inside that can be blown away later.
a few scratches here and there but nothing major
a dry helicoid that will be overhauled later when I get home ::)
so far so good. it came from a dead old man's collection. going to send my blessings later tonight with a mini Buddhist ritual. (i used to be a monk's assistant)