Author Topic: 500mm f4p manual focus or new Nikkor 200-500 f/5.6e or TC with a 400mm!  (Read 22858 times)

Jan Anne

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The "problem" with the AI-P 500mm/4 is the "large" front lens :D

That's why a "smaller" 500mm solution is often so much welcomed ...  ;)
Here is a size comparison of the 200-500mm with the new 80-400mm and the 70-200mm VR II (for reference) - short and long
Good point, the large diameter (due to fast f4 aperture ;) ) does require bigger bags, much bigger hood, etc.

Thanks for the comparison shot, really appreciated.
Cheers,
Jan Anne

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Wouldn't it be great if a 500/4 PF was to appear on the market?
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Indeed the 300mm 4 PF is amazingly portable!

I shot the 500mm 4 Ai-P mostly on a monopod or a bean bag and was very happy with the images!
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Wouldn't it be great if a 500/4 PF was to appear on the market?

Still the same size in th front as the 500/4P, but overall length would be much shorter.

Canon offers their 400/4 DO lens models for a long time, but takers apparently are few. The last version is said to be markedly improved though.

In the late '70s, using the 400 mm f/5.6 Nikkor ED for portraits and catwalk shooting was the insider's tip.

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If the weight would drop to about 1.5 kg I wouldn't mind the size of the front at all.
Let me optimistically guess the price too, around $2.500  :)

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A realistic estimate for the weight of a 500/4 PF would be around 2 kg, perhaps a little lower. Thus, still a sizeable chunk of glass to haul around.

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Beware: A 400/2,8 can be put in very good use for portrait-photography ;-)

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Think I actually should start saving money to buy a 400/2,8, the FL version has becom relatively lightweight now ;-)
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I'm spoiled here...  ;)

The FL version is very hand holdable (short/medium periods) and the IQ is breathtaking.
I know that some will disagree but with the two TCs (1.4 and 2x) you'll get the most versatile high quality tele.

Please do you a favor and grab one.

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I'm spoiled here...  ;)

The FL version is very hand holdable (short/medium periods) and the IQ is breathtaking.
I know that some will disagree but with the two TCs (1.4 and 2x) you'll get the most versatile high quality tele.

Please do you a favor and grab one.
Appears as if you already worked with the new one Pedro

As I am known for the Supertele-Samurai approach I prefer a long medium range combo. Currently it is the 600/4 plus 200-400VR
but 800/5,6 FL plus 400/2,8 FL would be a dream- and one always need dreams.
Would take me years still to go I guess

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Appears as if you already worked with the new one Pedro

In fact I own one  :)

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In fact I own one  :)
Congratulations! :-)
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Congratulations! :-)

Thanks  :D

But the 800 FL is on the scope...

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Thanks  :D

But the 800 FL is on the scope...

you are welcome :D
and your scope does not make me wonder
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Fo rmy case, that's would be a dilemma as I own the 500mm AIP already.

Mostly the fear of losing sharpness.

But I can't say  I would never go for the 200-500mm, Most pictures I saw on line so far are very decent.

And this zoom has 2 main assets :

# Very light;

# Vibration reduction.

However, it's versability is not a criteria for me : most of wildlife photographer will use it at its maximum focal range (500mm). So, better to have a prime, like the 500mm AIP :

# Less optical issues if you add a focal converter.

# It's heavy indeed. but still portable : I carry it miles hooked to my belt (with the Df mated on it). Hence no backache.

# You always find a support in nature, against a trunk of tree. a fence, a stoned whole (not in a desert, though !), so no tripod needed.

# No maintenance for VR or integrated AF motor which is so expensive.

# Shooting birds in flight is not impossible (if they are not too small or too close). Yet the zoom would make better job with its AF, I have to admit.

And I think the zoom will be more resalable.

So, if you haven't one of these lenses already and if you are not a specifically wildlife photographer, go for the zoom.

Few images with the 500mm AIP :

# 1 Cranes on the field. Very, very shy birds. Taken from my car, the lens resting on the window;
# 2 Stilt, hand held;
# 3 Stilt chick '' ''
# 4 Snipe.

Francis Devrainne