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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2015, 10:47:35 »
Yes indeed, thanks for sharing.

Nevertheless, I still consider, if budget is not an issue, the best compromisse for "all" focal distances/wieght/IQ/focus speed the 400mm f2.8 FL + TCs

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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2015, 15:26:16 »
Very nice shots and if I should ever get "something long", this lens would be it.
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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2015, 09:49:58 »
Nevertheless, I still consider, if budget is not an issue, the best compromisse for "all" focal distances/wieght/IQ/focus speed the 400mm f2.8 FL + TCs

Hi Pedro, I respect your experience with the longer lenses. However I wonder if the factors include both
- Budget
- Need for flexibilty

Like you I tend towards primes. However Jan and a couple of other people have mentioned on this thread and others the value of being ale to respond quickly to an opportunity. So I guess there are some times when adding/removing a TC to allow for the subject being nearer/farther away could miss you the shot. Plus the weight/size consideration if on planes, walking over rough ground etc

Then thinking about it more, if you then take two bodies, one with your optically ideal 400mm and the other with the 200-500mm, maybe it does all comes back to budget (plus the strength to carry & use it all!)

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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2015, 11:58:52 »
As Mongo mentioned initially, the use of both lenses was purely becuase of opportunity AND to show the relative IQ of both end of the lens spectrum. The two lenses are really in different categories altogether even though there may be some “cross-over” areas of use.

Mongo thinks that everything is relative - there are no absolutes. So, in the real world, you would have to choose by making comparisons of available gear and choosing the best for your circumstances including , of course, intended use. One of the variables making up your circumstances would probably be, amongst other things, cost (unless you are a pro and can write everything off on tax). Then there is size, weight, convenience etc.

However, let’s imagine for a moment taking cost out altogether as a consideration and, bearing in mind how and where you intend to use the equipment AND you could only buy one of these lenses. What would you do ??  Mongo thinks you would have to seriously think about your choice - it is not necessarily an automatic reaction to get the 400 f2.8. Cost is only a factor when buying a lens. After that, it is almost completely irrelevant. The factors that matter are those affecting the actually use of the lens such as weight, size, transportability, converters, speed etc etc.

Food for thought ??

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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2015, 15:33:27 »
Mongo, thank you for these excellent sample images and for the comparison shot. Before buying, I did my own comparisons of this lens at 300mm vs. my trusted 300 f/4 AF (1988, 82mm front ring).  I think the new zoom at 300mm is just about as sharp as the older lens.

I too use a monopod. I quickly found your October review (Google Mongo 200-500 review) and appreciate your suggestions on VR which I will repeat here:
 - Normal mode for handholding and stationary objects
 - Otherwise Sport  ("apparently Normal mode reduces AF speed")

I'll give these a try. Again thanks.

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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2015, 17:26:08 »
Hi Pedro, I respect your experience with the longer lenses. However I wonder if the factors include both
- Budget
- Need for flexibilty

Like you I tend towards primes. However Jan and a couple of other people have mentioned on this thread and others the value of being ale to respond quickly to an opportunity. So I guess there are some times when adding/removing a TC to allow for the subject being nearer/farther away could miss you the shot. Plus the weight/size consideration if on planes, walking over rough ground etc

Then thinking about it more, if you then take two bodies, one with your optically ideal 400mm and the other with the 200-500mm, maybe it does all comes back to budget (plus the strength to carry & use it all!)

Hi Colin, if those factors were in the equation, my choice would be, hands down, the 200-500...
Problem is when you got used to the IQ of those primes... and I must admit, I'm spoiled.

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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2015, 17:31:34 »
However, let’s imagine for a moment taking cost out altogether as a consideration and, bearing in mind how and where you intend to use the equipment AND you could only buy one of these lenses. What would you do ??  Mongo thinks you would have to seriously think about your choice - it is not necessarily an automatic reaction to get the 400 f2.8. Cost is only a factor when buying a lens. After that, it is almost completely irrelevant. The factors that matter are those affecting the actually use of the lens such as weight, size, transportability, converters, speed etc etc.

Food for thought ??

Yes, these are the factors that I struggle the most, transportability being the worst and weight a very closed one.
Speed, converters, not so much, as I always use two bodies, one with the 400, and the other with a zoom (80-400, not any more) or the new 300PF

But, I'll try the 200-500 sooner than later, and maybe it will come to my second body...

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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2015, 00:12:39 »
Mongo, thank you for these excellent sample images and for the comparison shot. Before buying, I did my own comparisons of this lens at 300mm vs. my trusted 300 f/4 AF (1988, 82mm front ring).  I think the new zoom at 300mm is just about as sharp as the older lens.

I too use a monopod. I quickly found your October review (Google Mongo 200-500 review) and appreciate your suggestions on VR which I will repeat here:
 - Normal mode for handholding and stationary objects
 - Otherwise Sport  ("apparently Normal mode reduces AF speed")

I'll give these a try. Again thanks.

Thanks for looking in and for your very interesting comments. Mongo loves his 300 f4 AFS model but has not used it since getting the 200-500mm. Not sure why that is other than he is trying to give the new 200-500mm a really full-on test period. Also, he must say, that the IQ at 300mm seems so close that it has not troubled him at all. So, overall, the 200-500mm is a serious substitute and contender generally provided you get a good copy and have it calibrated by Nikon from the start whether you think it needs it or not. Good luck and would love to know what your experience is with it in due course.

Yes, these are the factors that I struggle the most, transportability being the worst and weight a very closed one.
Speed, converters, not so much, as I always use two bodies, one with the 400, and the other with a zoom (80-400, not any more) or the new 300PF

But, I'll try the 200-500 sooner than later, and maybe it will come to my second body...

Thanks for your comments Pedro. First, in relation to your comments immediately before the one Mongo has quoted above, Mongo completely agrees with you in relation to being spoiled by excellent image quality. Mongo still prefers to use his 600 f4 where he does not have to carry it and can set up virtually a short distance from his car e.g surfing photos at the beach etc. He would not consider lugging it through the bush (or "forest" where you guys come from). However, how do you get them back to the farm after they have seen Paris..???? No one would consciously want to go backward. However, is it really backward ?? and if so, if it is only a very small amount but you gain so much more in transportability and other factors without losing to much IQ....is it worth it then ??? If the exercise was you could only take one lens and one camera. there has to be a point at which the competing lines cross over. Of course, Mongo's comments are not necessarily about the 400 f2.8 v 200-500mm - they apply generally and in many possibly comparable scenarios.

For instance, you mention that you overcome some of the issues by taking 2 bodies and 2 lenses. That , in itself, is very telling and certainly would be much heavier, more space consuming and far less transportable/convenient (and if cost was an issue, much costlier). So, we all have to consider a theoretical cross over point where all these factors are thrown into the one equation to hopefully give the most ideal answer for any particular scenario(s). The beauty is to enjoy the physical ability to carry as much equipment as you would like while you can (and can afford it) before other factors of life make us have to consider that equation Mongo mentioned above.

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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2016, 16:24:45 »
I too use a monopod. I quickly found your October review (Google Mongo 200-500 review) and appreciate your suggestions on VR which I will repeat here:
 - Normal mode for handholding and stationary objects
 - Otherwise Sport  ("apparently Normal mode reduces AF speed")

For what it's worth, I have been shooting birds with the 200-500mm lens.

I think Mongo is probably correct. The AF speed is just fine with VR on "Normal", except for birds in flight, a challenging situation, where my AF results are insufficient in "Normal" mode. Not enough examples yet in "Sport" mode to tell if I can see a difference.

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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2016, 16:48:06 »
Thank you for the shots, I missed this thread completely till now. I fancy a D500 plus a 200-500/5.6 as an ultimate Tele combination.

Although I never really liked tele shooting in the past, being a "24 to 85 prime guy" I start to "see" distant compositions the older I get the more.

So I think that with the 200-500 on DX I can cover a wide range of "tele" and try it out. If I do not like it (tele shooting not the machine part which I will sure like), I can easily sell it again without losing much money.
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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2016, 18:32:55 »
whether you think it needs it or not. Good luck and would love to know what your experience is with it in due course.

Thanks for your comments Pedro. First, in relation to your comments immediately before the one Mongo has quoted above, Mongo completely agrees with you in relation to being spoiled by excellent image quality. Mongo still prefers to use his 600 f4 where he does not have to carry it and can set up virtually a short distance from his car e.g surfing photos at the beach etc. He would not consider lugging it through the bush (or "forest" where you guys come from). However, how do you get them back to the farm after they have seen Paris..???? No one would consciously want to go backward. However, is it really backward ?? and if so, if it is only a very small amount but you gain so much more in transportability and other factors without losing to much IQ....is it worth it then ??? If the exercise was you could only take one lens and one camera. there has to be a point at which the competing lines cross over. Of course, Mongo's comments are not necessarily about the 400 f2.8 v 200-500mm - they apply generally and in many possibly comparable scenarios.

For instance, you mention that you overcome some of the issues by taking 2 bodies and 2 lenses. That , in itself, is very telling and certainly would be much heavier, more space consuming and far less transportable/convenient (and if cost was an issue, much costlier). So, we all have to consider a theoretical cross over point where all these factors are thrown into the one equation to hopefully give the most ideal answer for any particular scenario(s). The beauty is to enjoy the physical ability to carry as much equipment as you would like while you can (and can afford it) before other factors of life make us have to consider that equation Mongo mentioned above.

Indeed Mongo, once in Paris, not anymore in bush... yep, another form of being spoiled...
I must admit I'm not keen to tele-zooms, being "burned" using the 200-400 f4. Never liked it, sold it and never regret it. Again usage dictates the likes and dislikes...
Two bodies, two lenses, weight, cost and the else...
Once, I have done the shortcut using one body and one tele-zoom. Spent countless hours in the bush, thousands of photos, many days out there. Returns? Fun for being in the nature, out of boring work for sure, but too few good photos for my taste (again tastes can/are different). So never more... if you know what I mean.
But as you can never say anymore... let's see what 200-500 can deliver for me.

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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2016, 23:21:29 »
Col, in relation to the VR , what you have said is indeed Mongo’s experience of it. To try to cover all fast contingencies, Mongo mainly now leaves the lens in VR “sport” mode. This covers the bulk of situations. Since initially posting this thread, Mongo has found others’ comments and experiences on the net that pretty much confirm Mongo’s findings about the characteristics of the VR on this lens. It would be nice to see what your findings are after you have had an opportunity to fully try out this lens’ VR modes. Please keep us in the loop.

Frank, it is hard to image someone who is used to the 24 - 85 focal length range jumping to the extremes of this lens; particularly on a DX body. Even if it sounds a very good lens, can Mongo suggest that you see if you can find an opportunity to try the lens out first BEFORE you buy it. This is not always possible but if it is, you should take that opportunity. If that is not possible, any long lens you can get access to (e.g 300mm) would probably be sufficient to give you an idea of whether or not you would use the longer focal lengths. Mongo mentions this as it may save you an unnecessary purchase and sale.

Pedro, Mongo completely understands where you are coming from. Two things: first, from your avatar you look to be a reasonably fit person of modest years. There would be little to no problem for you to carry the bigger better equipment in most situations. This is why Mongo encourages you to use the equipment you get most enjoyment from while you can physically do that happily. As you already have excellent equipment, It would be counter productive to suggest that you abandon that for this alternative equipment at this time. On the contrary, enjoy it as long as you can ! Mongo, on the other hand, has a more well used odometer and has some real physical considerations/limitations. Mongo’s comments are primarily directed to those who do not have a long lens and are looking for a reasonable one AND for those who could buy the bigger better equipment but could not manage to carry/transport it easily.

Secondly, in relation the bad taste in the mouth that a bad lens can leave, Mongo also understands that and has told you of his very negative and off putting experience he had with his new 200-400mm f4 (which is was sold and not at all missed). However, Mongo puts that down to a bad lens issue and remains open to the possibility that other zoom lenses may be perfectly fine. Mongo was willing to try the 200-500mm mainly because of the reasonable quality images being produced by Tamron and Sigma in that approximate focal length range. This encouraged Mongo to see if the new Nikon equivalent could do better and worth trying. It was definitely worth the try and the results worth considering by those who are looking for a lighter, cheaper reasonably performing long zoom lens.

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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2016, 16:51:24 »
Thanks for sharing, Mongo. Your images confirm that the new 200-500mm is a good choice. I do not regret my purchase of this lens.
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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2016, 18:44:36 »
Frank, it is hard to image someone who is used to the 24 - 85 focal length range jumping to the extremes of this lens; particularly on a DX body. Even if it sounds a very good lens, can Mongo suggest that you see if you can find an opportunity to try the lens out first BEFORE you buy it. This is not always possible but if it is, you should take that opportunity. If that is not possible, any long lens you can get access to (e.g 300mm) would probably be sufficient to give you an idea of whether or not you would use the longer focal lengths. Mongo mentions this as it may save you an unnecessary purchase and sale.

I have had a 100-300mm lens on my F100 in film days and started to get interested in Birding. In the summer I will be in a birder's paradise on an island that is half "bird protection area".

The ~300-750 in crop more should get the birrd in the full of the DX Frame...

Plus if current monetary transactions work as planned I hope to be teleshooting in Killin too...
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Re: 200-500mm sample images
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2016, 19:08:33 »
I think I want one..
Thanks for sharing your findings and images.
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