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chambeshi

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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #90 on: October 29, 2021, 19:28:21 »
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #91 on: October 29, 2021, 20:21:00 »
Quote from: chambeshi on October 29, 2021, 19:28:21
Official Nikon Z9 Brochure
https://www.nikon-asia.com/tmp/Asia/2419865273/3760176746/2586568015/286546384/152549275/92909824/3726938141/3948025830.pdf

Page to Bookmark for monitoring.....
https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/the-unanswered-z9-questions.html

This commentary and Ricci Talks video probably the most reliable information so far on the Z9. He will do more...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoVu1OMDvOE

also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9LYhNalQx8

Some of those questions are quite irritating when coming from someone who claims to be an expert. This one for example:

"The sensor is 52mp, but only 45mp are used. What are the other ~6mp being used for? Since the stated dimensions of the sensor are typical FX, does this imply a crop or are those extra pixels out of the image area?"

Uh Thom, In camera stabilization requires that the sensor area is larger than the delivered image. This is nothing new for the Z9.
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #92 on: October 29, 2021, 21:13:48 »
Quote from: Jack Dahlgren on October 29, 2021, 20:21:00
Some of those questions are quite irritating when coming from someone who claims to be an expert. This one for example:

"The sensor is 52mp, but only 45mp are used. What are the other ~6mp being used for? Since the stated dimensions of the sensor are typical FX, does this imply a crop or are those extra pixels out of the image area?"

Uh Thom, In camera stabilization requires that the sensor area is larger than the delivered image. This is nothing new for the Z9.
  I noticed that also, Jack. 
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #93 on: October 29, 2021, 23:15:42 »
Quote from: Hugh_3170 on October 28, 2021, 16:12:24
Shame about the FTZ-II not supporting AF for Nikon D lenses and lacking support for an aperture follower tab.  Oh well, maybe I will just have to wait for the FTZ-III.  LOL   ;D

Of course it is disappointing if there is neither screwdriver-AF support nor aperture follower tab.
(It does not even have a drop- in filter holder -thats for sure)
It appears as if the main change is the removal of a tripod socket

But what do we really know so far?. I havent seen any picture from the front side which gives some uncertainty
the on from the back is indicating this thick part on the right side which I first thought of as holding an AF-motor. The side texts dont mention screwdriver AF though and Nikon would have mentioned that.
The list of compatible lenses (including the 24mm f/2,8 AF posted in this thread does not automatically mean that full (screwdriver- AF) compatibility is reached.
so there is still hope for better AI-(S) support.

Nikon never provided full amount of compatibility that was technically achievable, they could have done more here if They wanted... but hey Nikon just wants us to buy new Z lenses (while discontinuing popular F-mount lenses)
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #94 on: October 29, 2021, 23:27:34 »
Will be looking forward to which extent the viewfinder will be improved compared to the Z6/Z7 series as there is still 3.6Mpx and not 5 (as was rumored). Hoping for better menu structure as well and am very optimistics (given the ergonomics shown)

Overwhelmingly  promising specifications - good that I also have preordered a Z9 some time ago- hope I will get it in December
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #95 on: October 30, 2021, 06:45:48 »
Interesting size comparison (from Japanese Twitter)
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #96 on: October 30, 2021, 08:59:41 »
Quote from: Jack Dahlgren on October 29, 2021, 20:21:00
Some of those questions are quite irritating when coming from someone who claims to be an expert. This one for example:

"The sensor is 52mp, but only 45mp are used. What are the other ~6mp being used for? Since the stated dimensions of the sensor are typical FX, does this imply a crop or are those extra pixels out of the image area?"

Uh Thom, In camera stabilization requires that the sensor area is larger than the delivered image. This is nothing new for the Z9.

The Z9 does have an unusually large number of "extra" photosites. In camera VR works simply by having a (slightly) larger image circle in the lens and moving the sensor within that image circle. However, digital stabilization in video can possibly use those extra pixels. It is not yet clear what Nikon use them for.
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #97 on: October 30, 2021, 10:21:05 »
Quote from: Ilkka Nissilä on October 30, 2021, 08:59:41
The Z9 does have an unusually large number of "extra" photosites. In camera VR works simply by having a (slightly) larger image circle in the lens and moving the sensor within that image circle. However, digital stabilization in video can possibly use those extra pixels. It is not yet clear what Nikon use them for.
Nikon mights also introduce focus breathing compensation for video like Sony does with the a7IV, Sony uses a slightly cropped image to achieve this but with the Z9 there should be enough extra pixels available to do this at full resolution.
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #98 on: October 30, 2021, 15:13:47 »
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #99 on: October 31, 2021, 14:38:27 »
Was out today with my D500. Tried to use the 3D tracking to track some skateboarders, no luck, so I may be tempted if a kind of D700 comes in the Z series, as a little brother to the Z9. from the advertisement it look much better.
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #100 on: October 31, 2021, 17:00:50 »
Quote from: Fons Baerken on October 30, 2021, 15:13:47
Nikon ambassadors discussing the Z9

Photography
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGIVwmGPP80&t=2029s

Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF6HxMtinu8

In live discussion: There appears to be no major restrictions with highest speed CFExp B cards recording long continuous bursts at higher fps IF these are HE Raw files ~ 1/2 size of uncompressed RAW

Marc Cruz Nikon USA live discussion panel @10:00 > 50 seconds and more at high fps up 1000.....

30fps at 45mp and he discusses @53:00 > New Compression algorithm of 45mp RAW 14bit images is highly efficient. We can get to 1/3 file size, yet kept in full 14bit....

New Nikon compression code is apparently this - https://www.intopix.com/tico-raw

~16:00 >He goes on to discuss how the Autofocus of the Z9 overlays object detection in categorised subject-tracking and 3D.
~43:30 > LCD and no blackout EVF

This video is a tighter technical summary by Marc Cruz, Nikon USA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGD71qXMrP0

~10:00 > "with a minimum sustained write speed of 1400mb/s...up to 1000 images in one continuous burst without the buffer filling up"

Joe McNally @50:00 > "Old School meets New Technology...This camera is a beautiful combination of everything we've learned with the highest technology available."
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #101 on: October 31, 2021, 18:40:24 »
Fastest card seems to be the Delkin Black, roughly doubling the 1800 shots Mat got with his Pro Grade Cobalt card:
https://youtu.be/YND5oacJBl4

And its not so much the 3000+ shot buffer with HE but how fast the buffer is cleared for the next burst when hitting the 80 shot buffet limit with lossless raw files, seems fast enough with the Delin which also stays the coolest of the bunch which means less power draw and should give more shots from a battery.
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #102 on: October 31, 2021, 19:04:31 »
Quote from: Ilkka Nissilä on October 30, 2021, 08:59:41
The Z9 does have an unusually large number of "extra" photosites. In camera VR works simply by having a (slightly) larger image circle in the lens and moving the sensor within that image circle. However, digital stabilization in video can possibly use those extra pixels. It is not yet clear what Nikon use them for.

Perhaps Nikon is looking at the (near) future technology to enable them to eliminate the mechanical IBIS, which realizes a totally mechanism-free camera.
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #103 on: October 31, 2021, 19:13:34 »
This Japanese YouTuber is a retired engineer who apparently had worked for Panasonic until fairly recently.  He whole-heartedly admires the Nikon managers and engineers for having developed technologies incorporated into Z9.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF7-024vtfc

(His narration is Japanese.)

He suspects that the sensor was made by Tower Semiconductor which originally was part of Panasonic.

https://towersemi.com/
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Re: Z9 Release Thread
« Reply #104 on: October 31, 2021, 21:28:01 »
Jan Anne beat me on this one so see his post three posts above.
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