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Les Olson

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Re: Help choosing lens
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2017, 18:07:19 »

I thought about getting the 18-140 as a cheap update for the 18-105, but found it had the same issue as the 18-105 .. mainly that it loses a lot in transmission when compared to a better quality lens, for example like the Tamron 24-70 VC.
I don't know if it's due to the Fx frame coverage(ie. less vignetting from the larger frame coverage) or just better optic design, but the consumer zooms seem to lose about 0.5 - 0.7 Ev in transmission for the same aperture settings, compared to the 24-70/2.8


The main reason to care about transmission is flare - if you are worried about low light performance, a zoom of any type is a poor choice.  Better coatings are one of the things you pay for in the f/2.8 zooms compared to a consumer zoom, and using DxO figures for T, I calculate transmission for the 18-140 of 50% and for the Tamron 24-70 of 81%.  The catch is that you lose that benefit when using an FX lens on a DX camera because of the larger image circle, the edges of which become "flare". 

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Re: Help choosing lens
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2017, 22:14:12 »
I don't care for the crop factor thing but everybody uses it...

18mm if it's really 18mm x 1.53 = 27.5
16mm if 16mm x 1.53 = 24.4
15mm if there was a zoom that started at 15mm x 1.53 = 22.9

OK I use a AF 28-70/3.5-4.5D Nikkor on my D800 and quite like the results. I needed something to replace an AF 35-70/2.8D Nikkor that while showing no impact damage was giving me images that smacked of decentering.

If image quality is high on the list I'd look into the AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED. I have no experience with this lens so this is not a recommendation to buy but a recommendation in investigate. The B&H (USD) price new of $1,500.00 or the KEH.com (USD) Ex w/caps and hood of $754.00 might not fit the budget.

17mm if it's really 17mm x 1.53 = 26mm
55mm if it's really 15mm x 1.53 = 85mm

I'd be OK with that range.

I don't think putting an FX lens on a DX camera is such a straightforward idea. The best reasons would be you plan to buy and FX camera or you already own the FX lens or something on that line. Otherwise I would buy a better quality DX lens for a DX camera except when getting out to something in the 105~200mm range and beyond.

T-stops? This is pretty complicated. I wouldn't simplify it too much. If reflected light is being absorbed before it hits the sensor it doesn't matter.  The purpose of T-stops is for cine where switching lenses and the next angle or crop requires exactly the same exposure. If one lens loose 1/2 stop and another 1/3 stop the difference the difference is 1/6 stop. I can't see that as being of any consequence to still photography.

I'm not packed with data but if T-stops were high on my list I would not be looking at zoom lenses. I would also use a hood more appropriate to the DX format (narrower) than the designated FX hood. Too much stray light. Trix are for kids, T-stops are for cinema photographers. :)

In general lenses for smaller formats are designed to be sharper, resolution, acutance, etc. In general, there are plenty of exceptions. An FX lens on a DX camera might please or be lacking as you'll enlarge the DX image 1.5 times to make the same size print as FX. If one always makes smaller prints or views smaller image on a display for DX as compared to FX then disregard the previous sentence.

I'd like to own an AF-S 16-85/3.5-5.6G ED DX VR but I never bought a DX lens as I knew my primary format would be 36x24. I'd still like one as I still own a D300s.

Dave Hartman

Where did 1.53x come from? 35.9/23.5=1.528. I compare the long edge of the sensor or film. It's best to leave the crop factor behind. I made a table for comparing 35mm to 4x5 inch when I bought my first 4x5 camera. After a few weeks I filed it and didn't find it again for a decade or more. The crop factor is like try to use a this language to that language book. It only makes sense if you are tourist. Yes, I just got up and drank my first cup of coffee. Why do you ask?
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Re: Help choosing lens
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2017, 09:46:47 »
again, thanks for all the feedback; I'll have to digest everything and continue to research the options
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