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Creation or Documentation
« on: September 06, 2016, 07:26:20 »
I can across this statement by H.T.......
His words ring a lot of truth as to what is out there.....

............"For a photographer to be an artist, the photographer will have to create something.
 Photographing something that is already in existence, whether landscape, still life, or even street candid photography is not creating something. It’s documentation."...........

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Re: Creation or Documentation
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2016, 09:17:38 »
Mongo is glad you mentioned this even though, from Mongo's perspective , what is said by H.T. is self evident and hopefully should be to all.

When you line up a "photo" and press the shutter, you can be a living photocopier or you can be an artist.

Having said this, it is clear that a lot of photographers are "photographers" and not necessarily "artists". The reasons for that vary but one of the biggest reasons is that there is a real need for things just being "recorded" by photography with often little scope or desire by the recipient of the photos to have anything other than a good "likeness" or event recorded as accurately as possible. Mongo is often guilty of this with his bird images (with very few exceptions) are intended to be as accurate (but also hopefully interesting) as possible. We all do it.

The other interesting thing Mongo has noticed is that when a photographer does something more creative and outside the box, it is mostly met with enthusiasm and encouragement by photographers. It seems that the urge to be creative is in most even though we do not get every opportunity to practise it. We all look for that special moment or look or lighting or some other component of creativity that might make the image more interesting and appealing whenever possible.

If you are a pure artist who does not rely on photography for a living and can shoot whatever your passions demand - fine - go for it with or without the need for anyone else to like it. If you are commissioned to shoot a wedding, it may be more restrictive in what you can do subject to the bride and groom's wishes and broadness of mind and taste. Shooting catalogues or products has less scope again unless for a racing car etc. 

Mongo has a great deal of respect and liking for photographs that are not merely an accurate depiction of the subject. If someone goes to that extra trouble to "create" something different through their thinking about it, seeking out and combining elements, using their skill to manipulate and mould it into something of their own mind/imagination, it is always something more than a photocopy (whether it appeals to you or not).

Ansel Adams would reasonably quickly take an image after working out the desired location and perspective. He would then spend an inordinate amount of time in the dark room working out every small section of the intended final image. There was no doubt he was not producing what he saw - he was creating what he wanted to see.

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Re: Creation or Documentation
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2016, 09:33:21 »
Well, that is , I'll say an accurate statement

It however leaves out the process of finding or creating the instant that will be documented

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Re: Creation or Documentation
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2016, 10:04:15 »
I agree with the quote's sentiments in some respects, not in others.  Art is a means of expression, and there are many things an individual can express.  Even choosing your clothes for the day can be an art, as your choices can be a reflection of your emotional state.  Where any one person draws his/her line on what "counts" as art is totally subjective.  The reality is that most people are pretty common, so even a very open expression from such people can not "count" as art to some as it's banality can mask it's honesty.

I agree that for photography to serve as an art, much of it must come from within.  The idea that it must come totally from within, however, speaks more from insecurity than wisdom in my opinion.  An idea that I have found myself trapped by before.
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Re: Creation or Documentation
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2016, 10:23:41 »
When one projects from a higher dimensionality down to a space of lower dimensionality, something is lost or distorted. This seems to apply to the binary statement of "creation" vs. "documentation". There are more aspects to photography than this.

The all-important process of "interpretation" comes to mind. Why can two photographers standing at the exact same location and shooting a scene with identical gear come up with widely different photographs?

I do agree that most photography is trivial. The same can likely be said of music, writing, or any other field mankind involves itself with. Still, art emerges in the strangest places.

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Re: Creation or Documentation
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2016, 10:48:01 »
Practicing Documentation helps to reach a higher level of Creation.
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Re: Creation or Documentation
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2016, 11:47:07 »
Dont care ;D

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Re: Creation or Documentation
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2016, 13:51:03 »
Practicing Documentation helps to reach a higher level of Creation.

exactly
"You don’t take a photograph – you make it” – Ansel Adams. Thats why I use photoshop.
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Re: Creation or Documentation
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2016, 13:59:26 »
Tristin: I love what you said and subsribe to most of the points.

Mongo: I love your terminus "recording" it fits very well to the opposite of "conscious design" which I prefer to "art", especially in the context of what is considered "art" today in a crazy market.

Correlated to proficiency I salute Tristin again, because perfection in craftsmanship and a banal mind combine to banal results. One does not have to look far to find many examples.

All: In the long run "art" might just be what is considered art 300 years from now.
You are out there. You and your camera. You can shoot or not shoot as you please. Discover the world, Your world. Show it to us. Or we might never see it.

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Re: Creation or Documentation
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2016, 22:40:12 »
I can across this statement by H.T.......

Who is H.T. ?
John Maud - aka Coreopsis in another place.

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