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rosko

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Re: decayed petals.
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2016, 23:29:48 »
Ok, I see !

I had already noticed there are 2 different sorts of flowers on this plant. I didn't know about sterile ones.

So, this is why the structure persists : true petal is more delicate and fragile while bractée is tougher/coriaceous.

Thanks, Bjørn, for this clarification !
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Re: decayed petals.
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2016, 23:37:19 »
Actually, depending on the species, there might not be petals at all, just the bracts. Also do note that the normal flowers, ie. those without bracts, have large nectaria. You can see the glistening nectar fluid oozing out of the nectaria in my picture.

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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2016, 03:10:36 »
Bjørn, thanks for the explanation.  I'm always fascinated by the way different species develops themselves differently according to the environment.
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2016, 09:05:10 »
Akira, I have to apologize for the peremptory way I answered to your comment : bract is not petal, even I it looks like petal (shape, color, etc.), and even if it is called ''floret''. ???

So the structure left after a whole winter is probably cellulose, a vegetable fiber which constitute the skeleton of any plant.



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Re: decayed petals.
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2016, 09:10:39 »
the infertile flowers that lure the insects

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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2016, 09:14:15 »
Akira, I have to apologize for the peremptory way I answered to your comment : bract is not petal, even I it looks like petal (shape, color, etc.), and even if it is called ''floret''. ???

So the structure left after a whole winter is probably cellulose, a vegetable fiber which constitute the skeleton of any plant.

Francis, no worries!  This little discussion was very fruitful.
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2016, 09:35:56 »
the infertile flowers that lure the insects

Well, I don't see what purpose for, if the flowers are no fertile ? They may attract insects from very far due to their size and then eventually insects land on scented fertile flowers...That is an assumption.
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2016, 09:40:28 »
Well, I don't see what purpose for, if the flowers are no fertile ? They may attract insects from very far due to their size and then eventually insects land on scented fertile flowers...That is an assumption.

My wild guess is that the bracts either reflect or absorbs UV to guide the insects to the central part of the flower head.  Or, they just function as intermediate steps for the pollinators to crawl onto the flower head?
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2016, 12:27:02 »
Human speculation on the ways Nature operates and functions tends to be futile and a waste of time. We can only assume that because an entire genus with 70-80 species share this structure, it does not prevent natural selection and evolution .... Besides, even bigger genera such as Euphorbia (spurges) have even more advanced variants of the same underlying principle.

UV photography indicates the sterile bracts are moderately UV reflective and that the nectaria are UV bright. They also fluoresce under UV. The entire Carrot familiy (Apiaceae) shows the identical pattern.

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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2016, 12:43:15 »
you are basically saying the same thing ,
refrasing a similar assumption, amazed i am one takes words for absolute
rather than relative or provisional really

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Re: decayed petals.
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2016, 13:15:20 »
Thus we all reach unison agreement. Good for everyone.

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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2016, 05:09:30 »
Great viewing and interesting read.  Thank you all.   :)
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