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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: richardHaw on March 20, 2021, 16:29:34
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not a bad lens at all, very sharp and could focus rather close... :o :o :o
exposure of the J4 is off in many occasions, i dont know why ::)
chromatic aberration wide-open but not as much as i expected...
bokeh quality is rather nice too
J4 is super grainy but very film-like in my opinion, like a poorly-exposed roll of Natura.
nice system but flawed implementation
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despite being grainy it doesnt have the weird smearing of the fuji x20 which i consider to be a superior camera in execution, :o :o :o
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im still confused as to why they never made a macro lens for the Nikon 1 :o :o :o
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It seem you use ISO800 (check two of the images)?
Do you use A-mode and matrix metering?
ISO800 is quite high for this camera. ISO160 should give less grainy images.
Regarding macro......with FT1 and a Nikkor micro.....J4 goes "super-macro" :-)
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Maybe you can confirm if 18.5 mount is metal or plastic......it seems I am the only one that claims that it is plastic.....and also the barrel?
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the barrel and mount feels like plastic or maybe aluminum :o :o :o
i am using matrix metering...very annoying to access the controls. the x20 and the pentax Q are a lot better in this regard. i loved the x20, it was a good camera
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If I "ding" on it with a piece of metal.....it is like plastic and I also think I can see the black plastic behind the metalized surface of the mount.
Yes, many things are hidden in the menus and you have probably set it to "Creative" to be able to set what you normally expect to be able to control.....like A,M exposure modes?
Regarding macro Nikon made a small 40.5mm close-up lens for the Nikkor1 lenses.
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the 18.5 couldve been the 55/2.8 of the N1 :o :o :o
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This is the difference it gives without and with the 40.5mm close-up lens attached on 18.5 on J4 and then a 100% crop of the last.
It makes a difference......but still far from a 1:2 life size magnification as the 55/2.8 can. Maybe with some stacked close-up lenses :-)
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Close-up lens is "Made in Japan" :-)
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weird. they couldve made it better :o :o :o
its nikons self sabotage years
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One of the things I liked about this lens was deep DOF thanks to its short focal length for a "normal" lens.
Santa Claus, the moon and the Jupiter.
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to be honest it does indeed perform like a 18.5mm that is cropped, giving you 50mm or so :o :o :o
it felt like its a huge 18mm lens then the core was cut-off and transplanted into a small body.
(https://www.nikon-image.com/products/nikkor/1mount/1_nikkor_185mm_f18/img/spec/pic_02.png)
this is probably why
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to be honest it does indeed perform like a 18.5mm that is cropped, giving you 50mm or so :o :o :o
it felt like its a huge 18mm lens then the core was cut-off and transplanted into a small body.
this is probably why
It really looks like a scaled-down DX 35/1.8G.
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yes. pity that i couldnt shoot film with it :o :o :o
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yes. pity that i couldnt shoot film with it :o :o :o
You would need a 110 film cassette!
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its really sharp, i think its nice for BW photography :o :o :o
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You can pick up extension tubes on eBay for any of the Nikon 1 lenses. They come in 10 mm and 16 mm sizes with electrical contacts for I think around $35. They worked really well with a 30 to 110 lens if you go to Thomas Stirr’s website you’ll see lots of pictures taken by him with that combination. He also uses really high ISO’s and then uses prime noise reduction from DXO labs to clean them up.
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Can see the frog-image is shot at f/1.8....so lens is relative sharp at full aperture.....
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Thanks i will definitely look for the extension tubes :o :o :o
the toad was shot at f/1.8, very sharp (at the center only) ::)
the Nikon 1 has very nice luminance noise which looks very grain-like, more so than what fuji has when i was still shooting with their cameras.
these were shot at 6400 and f/8 or so in an attempt to expose the grain
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that close-up of the bicycle reminds me so much of what i would get from the kentmere that i loved shooting with :o :o :o
the photo of the twigs show the gradation of the sky very well, very film-like in my opinion.
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Maybe you can confirm if 18.5 mount is metal or plastic......it seems I am the only one that claims that it is plastic.....and also the barrel?
The mount is definitely plastic, it was too easy to scratch it with a scriber to be steel. The barrel might be a metal alloy, I didn't dare to try to scratch it, it's still in pristine condition...
To get an all metal series 1 lens, you'd have to get the 32mm/1.2, a verrrry nice lens, but still overpriced (seen prices up to 700€/840 US$, paid mine 400€ for a boxed sample).
The 18.5mm is like a 50mm in FF terms (there is a 2.7x factor between sensors), and the 32mm is like an 85mm (86.4mm actually)
One nice feature of the 18.5mm is the rather inobtrusive shade (original: HB-N104), similar to the one that equipped the 45mm GN. The original is rather expensive (up to 50€, almost half the price of the lens!), a compatible clone is a more affordable 8€.
Ciao from Massimo
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do these hoods come with the lens when new? mine don't come with one :o :o :o
EDIT:
Nikon says:
"An optional accessory bayonet type black lens hood that attaches to select 1 NIKKOR lenses to protect the lens from flare when shooting."
Seriously, Nikon?
the original ones cost $20.00 ::) for that price i could get a nice hood for a larger Nikkor ::)
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do these hoods come with the lens when new? mine don't come with one :o :o :o
EDIT:
Nikon says:
"An optional accessory bayonet type black lens hood that attaches to select 1 NIKKOR lenses to protect the lens from flare when shooting."
Seriously, Nikon?
the original ones cost $20.00 ::) for that price i could get a nice hood for a larger Nikkor ::)
They don't come that cheap in Europe (lowest I've seen is 35€, I was happy with a JJC compatible @ 8€)
..Select Nikkor lenses: AFAIK, only the 18.5mm has the correct size bayonet mount, so they could have been more explicit and stated that the HB-N104 is exclusively for the 18.5mm !
Enclosing three photos of the 18.5+hood mounted on my Nikon 1V3
Ciao from Massimo
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i think i will skip this barnacle hood...i dont want to invest too much on this system :o :o :o
it will also make my lens look a bit phallic ::)
i see that you have a V3. i like it but its a bit too high for me at the moment, all i wanted to do is to play with cine-nikkor lenses
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I use a 40.5 to 52mm step-up ring on my 18.5 mm lens in order to be able to use standard 52mm filters (e.g. polarizer and L37c filter).
Then a lot of standard Nikon lens hoods can be used also. A 40.5 to 52mm step-up ring is cheap. I use a standard 52mm Nikon lens cap for the lens.
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I did scratch the bayonet mount on my 18.5 quite deeply with a screwdriver. Still looks metal to me, possibly aluminium as Rick suggested.
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I did scratch the bayonet mount on my 18.5 quite deeply with a screwdriver. Still looks metal to me, possibly aluminium as Rick suggested.
Maybe Nikon used silver plastic to mold the mount?
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The mount itself is very shinny.....so it looks like a coat?
Aluminium would be a more matte finish?
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If I remember correctly, 18.5/1.8 feels too light and front-heavy when I held the lens, compared to 10/2..8 pancake.
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The mount is the same material throughout. I made a quite deep scratch :) definitively not just metal coat on something else inside.
The material might be aluminium.
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Ok.....but mount on PD 10-30 zoom looks 100% identical to the 18.5 mount.
Could we conclude that no mounts are made of metalized plastic?
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from ebay :o :o :o
its injection molded but it doesnt appear to be made of plastic, probably some kind of nickel alloy. ::) the same material used on some metal internals of ai-s and later lenses
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Ok.....so the reason why the 10/2.8 feels more heavy might be that this mount is chromed brass....so a "real" Nikkor mount on this one?
And maybe also on 32/1.2 and 70-300?
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i think this is for the 10-30mm if i am not mistaken when i made the search query :o :o :o
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Is there a possibility that Nikon has changed the material from start to end of production, as mine 18mm really feels like plastic?
Bought late in the Nikon 1 history ;)
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possible... ::)
this alloy actually feels like plastic. if you read my articles you will see a greyish metal inside of some ai-s and later lenses. this is the same brittle alloy if i am not mistaken, definitely zinc-nickel or most likely :o :o :o
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This is a 10-30mm Nikon 1 lens mount - Looks like injection molded metal zinc-aluminum alloy then the mount face is finished on a CNC mill for accurate dimensions.
Strong, light and well suited mating surface for the cameras mount surface.
By far strong enough for the small light Nikon lenses.
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I was quite disappointed when I found out that my Nikkor 1 lenses has mounts of painted plastic......but it seems not......so a bit more happy with my lenses......
What material is the mount of the 10/2.8? .....chromed brass?
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I use a 40.5 to 52mm step-up ring on my 18.5 mm lens in order to be able to use standard 52mm filters (e.g. polarizer and L37c filter).
Then a lot of standard Nikon lens hoods can be used also. A 40.5 to 52mm step-up ring is cheap. I use a standard 52mm Nikon lens cap for the lens.
The dedicated 18.5mm hood has a thread for attaching 40.5mm filters or adapters. The usefulness of this particular hood is that you have good flare protection and the camera looks like a cheap consumer-grade one (very useful for on-street photography). I did the 40.5 to 52mm step-up ring trick with the 10 mm lens, and I could reuse an old foldable Nikon rubber hood. With the unextended hood, a 1V1 + 10mm will have a humble look, unlike one with a full size protruding hood. Either way, nobody will consider you as a paparazzi, or as a potential robbery target...
Ciao from Massimo
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this lens is my favorite for the V1 , the f1.8aperture allows me to keep the ISO below 800 , a bit bulkier than the 10mm f2.8 but way sharper
the ergonomics of my v1 can be annoying, but I've learned to live with it
with the X-T3 I keep forgetting where things are and the menus are a pain to scroll through
the best is still my D800
With the 18.5 the image quality is better than photos from a mobile
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I was quite disappointed when I found out that my Nikkor 1 lenses has mounts of painted plastic......but it seems not......so a bit more happy with my lenses......
What material is the mount of the 10/2.8? .....chromed brass?
As I posted the link already for Rolands pages, please look up any Nikkor you like to know more about 8)
http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/ (http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/)
It's very comprehensive and 99.9999% accurate,,, :o :o :o
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Where do I find information for which material the bayonet is made of?
What is "funny" is that I am able to make a mark into the bayonet shinny part with my nail. But maybe the shinny part is a thin coat?
And why do Nikon coat it if it is made of metal?
The mount on FT1 adapter is very different.....it "smells" of metal from far distance :-) it feels like several steps up in quality and I would have liked this bayonet mount on Nikkor 1 lenses......
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https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=9901.msg169670#msg169670 (https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=9901.msg169670#msg169670)
I linked in the other thread on the same Nikon 1 lenses ;D
As always you can rely on Rolands pages for such information
http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/specs.html#1NIKKOR (http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/specs.html#1NIKKOR)
PM is indication of Plastic Mount
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plating helps create a protective coating :o :o :o and also make it look "decent" ::)
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https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=9901.msg169670#msg169670 (https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=9901.msg169670#msg169670)
I linked in the other thread on the same Nikon 1 lenses ;D
As always you can rely on Rolands pages for such information
http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/specs.html#1NIKKOR (http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/specs.html#1NIKKOR)
PM is indication of Plastic Mount
I see......and 18.5 has the indication "PM".....and that is 99.99% correct :-) .....it would also be my best guess.....but.....maybe it is still metal......below the coat.....
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Different materials are chosen for wear resistance and mainly to prevent galling
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Different materials are chosen for wear resistance and mainly to prevent galling
According to Roland's Bible, the featherweight 18.5mm (only 70 grams, compared to 77 g of the 10mm/2.8 and 235 g of the 32/1.2 ), can safely get away even with a plastic mount. I would not worry too much!
Ciao from Massimo
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It's very comprehensive and 99.9999% accurate,,, :o :o :o
That implies only one error in one million entries. I don't even have that many data points, and I am sure there is more that one error or inaccuracy :) :o
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https://richardhaw.com/2021/03/28/review-1-nikkor-18-5mm-f-1-8/
here's the review :o :o :o
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this lens is my favorite for the V1 , the f1.8aperture allows me to keep the ISO below 800 , a bit bulkier than the 10mm f2.8 but way sharper
the ergonomics of my v1 can be annoying, but I've learned to live with it
I agree with you Armando that's why when I bought my V1 I bought the Nikon grip and later got even a cheaper one for it on eBay. The original grip I adapted to my J5 and cut off the little snibs(for lack of a better term) so the screen would still tilt.The grip made the camera so much more enjoyable to use. Regards Gerry
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Big fan of the 18.5 1.8.. Just got into the N1 ecosystem at the end of January after picking up a V2 with 10-30 and 30-110 to play with... Now, somehow only just over 2 months later, I have a V2, V3, 6.7-13, 10mm, 18.5mm, 10-30 pd and non-pd, 30-110, 10-100, SB-N7, GN-N100... "Just" missing the 32 and the 70-300.... Like, those two lenses will double the cost of my entire setup.
Anyway, big fan of the 18.5mm. what a nice closeup performance.
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great shots! :o :o :o
im thinking of selling mine since i do not use it much ::)
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Richard,
I think that with the lack of durability of the N1 series lenses, it's always good to have a backup... I've got two of each of the cheapie lenses... 10, 18.5, 10-30 and 30-110... These things really are less consumer grade, more consumable grade.