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Images => People, Portraits, Street, PJ & Cityscapes => Topic started by: Airy on December 05, 2020, 16:17:29

Title: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Airy on December 05, 2020, 16:17:29
Df, as expected, is the perfect companion for such lenses. The lens itself is convenient, but has a somewhat lackluster rendering (Zeiss 35/2 plays in another league). It is generally well corrected. Some barrel distortion becomes noticeable at short distances, but such a lens is not supposed to be optimized for short range photography.
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Airy on December 05, 2020, 16:19:00
And three more, same day (today) and setup.
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: John Geerts on December 05, 2020, 21:03:24
Sharp and detailed.  Great lens. Useable for all kind of purposes because it has a lot of resolution.
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Airy on December 05, 2020, 21:38:56
You’ve been using it a lot recently, it seems.
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Akira on December 06, 2020, 02:31:42
I like the tranquility of the series, perhaps partially because of the absence of figures but probably because of the aptly controlled perspective.
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: John Geerts on December 06, 2020, 11:01:41
You’ve been using it a lot recently, it seems.
Yes, exploring the PC lens on the Z6-Z7. Focusing is a lot easier.
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Airy on December 06, 2020, 16:26:15
I like the tranquility of the series, perhaps partially because of the absence of figures but probably because of the aptly controlled perspective.

In addition to having a somewhat "bland" lens and "bland" weather, we got a relatively empty city here, and it is indeed difficult to capture people "incidentally", you have to fetch them. This holds particularly true in the southern part of downtown Lille, where the former industries and workers' homes gave way to administrative offices and very few housings, after WWII. During weekends, it is no man's land, and confinement does not help. And yes, all shots ensured "vertical verticals" (handheld - one or two slight corrections in PP at most), maximizing boredom :)
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Airy on December 06, 2020, 16:27:17
Yes, exploring the PC lens on the Z6-Z7. Focusing is a lot easier.

I find the 35/2.8 PC rather easy to focus (wide open of course) on the Df.

How about exposure ? is it still necessary to set it manually before shifting ?
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: John Geerts on December 06, 2020, 20:33:44
I find the 35/2.8 PC rather easy to focus (wide open of course) on the Df.

How about exposure ? is it still necessary to set it manually before shifting ?
Yes, the 35PC is not so difficult to focus, but you see more clearly with focusscreen at 100% were the lens is sharpest.  Especially usefull when in shift.

As the Z6 is measuring the light through the lens, no extra exposure work here.
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Akira on December 07, 2020, 02:10:44
In addition to having a somewhat "bland" lens and "bland" weather, we got a relatively empty city here, and it is indeed difficult to capture people "incidentally", you have to fetch them. This holds particularly true in the southern part of downtown Lille, where the former industries and workers' homes gave way to administrative offices and very few housings, after WWII. During weekends, it is no man's land, and confinement does not help. And yes, all shots ensured "vertical verticals" (handheld - one or two slight corrections in PP at most), maximizing boredom :)

Thank you for the details about the area you shot.  The omission of excessive expression rather conjures the imagination.  :)

Warning to myself: Airy and John are joining forces to stimulate my GAS for the PC 35.   :o :o :o
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Hugh_3170 on December 07, 2020, 11:36:35
Come on Akira - you know that you want one!   ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Akira on December 07, 2020, 13:35:24
Come on Akira - you know that you want one!   ;D  ;D  ;D

Hugh, I'm sorry I don't hear you!!!   :o :o :o
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Airy on December 07, 2020, 18:31:47
OK, a couple more photo series and there you go...
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Roland Vink on December 07, 2020, 21:32:51
I find the 35/2.8 PC rather easy to focus (wide open of course) on the Df.

How about exposure ? is it still necessary to set it manually before shifting ?
In my limited experience with PC lenses, sideways shift did not affect metering except for extreme shift. Vertical shift alters the angle that light gets to the meter which affects accuracy, so metering must be done before shifting. I imagine the Df is similarly affected?
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Airy on December 07, 2020, 22:23:29
With all PC(-E) lenses I used (24, 28, 35, 45), metering after shifting will cause moderate to massive overexposure. Tilt alone is not a problem.

Consequence is, one has to switch off auto ISO and revert to manual mode.

With the Df and using the non-E lenses, using the non-AI mode is convenient provided one does not forget to set the aperture on the camera's dial, corresponding to the preset on the lens. Takes some time before it becomes rountine.

When not shifted, I prefer to set the lens in AI mode + aperture priority mode + stopped-down metering + auto ISO. Sole downside is, the f stop is not recorded (so what...). With such settings, using the old PC lenses is pretty easy. The left hand has to focus as usual + close the diaphragm after focus + re-open it after the shot.

When using shift, the routine is : 0) pre-set diaph on lens and camera 1) frame (typically aiming at a distant point deemed to be at the same altitude as yourself) 2) focus 3) set exposure using the speed dial + fine-tuning with the thumb wheel 4) if that is not enough, change the manual ISO setting on the dial and frame again 5) close diaph 6) apply shift trying not to move the camera up or down, still looking through the viewfinder, and checking parallelism of vertical lines (for instance) 7) pull the trigger 8) re-open diaph 9) remove shift 10) back to 0 or 1.

Now that makes photography enjoyable and will drive away any superfluous bad thoughts.
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Airy on February 10, 2021, 20:45:01
The slight problem with that lens is, barrel distortion, while low, is sometimes visible due to the very nature of the shots: the more the photographer wants to get those verticals right, the more apparent their bending.
Here, the shots were processed with CNX-D, which does not allow manual correction of distortion.
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Airy on February 10, 2021, 20:49:06
Of course, when the subjects are more "normal", distortion is less apparent. In both cases, the lens was used with zero shift. In the second case, I foolishly chose f/4, resulting in insufficient subject separation: I forgot that the resolution of that lens is already quite good at f/2.8 (some other forum member even wrote "best of Nikkor 35's", or did I read that in a review?).
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Roland Vink on February 10, 2021, 21:15:58
Of course, when the subjects are more "normal", distortion is less apparent. In both cases, the lens was used with zero shift. In the second case, I foolishly chose f/4, resulting in insufficient subject separation: I forgot that the resolution of that lens is already quite good at f/2.8 (some other forum member even wrote "best of Nikkor 35's", or did I read that in a review?).
Maybe from David Ruether's and Grover Larkins' Subjective Lens Evaluations:
http://www.verwoerd.info/nikon/short.html -- 35mm f2.8 PC AIS latest "it has the best performance of all the Nikkor 35's at f2.8"

Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Airy on February 10, 2021, 21:20:27
Yes, indeed ! that's where I read it.
Title: Re: Lille, daytime, 35/2.8 PC
Post by: Airy on September 19, 2021, 16:24:49
Overshifting the lens, here at 11-12mm where the recommended maximum is 8mm along the long axis. On the original photo and, to a lesser extent, on this re-sampled view, sharpness drops steeply but only in the very extreme corners at the top. The fish is still sharp enough.
Also, there is some significant vignetting (not corrected).

Df, 35/2.8PC at f/8. Very bad light grazing the lens front, while the wall was in the shadow. Processed in NX Studio (slight increase of contrast and saturation; white balance warmed up a bit; 5:4 with bottom cropped away).
A darn good lens, even though in "normal" usage (unshifted) the Zeiss 35/2 ZF2 is superior. But that's comparing emeralds with diamonds.