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Gear Talk => What the Nerds Do => Topic started by: richardHaw on September 12, 2020, 16:38:27
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https://richardhaw.com/2020/09/12/repair-micro-nikkor-55mm-f-3-5-k-ai/
my favorite :o :o :o
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Triggering my NAS again.
I've been slightly disappointed by the 55/2.8 AIS because it is not good against the light, a situation I often encounter (pipe organs in churches...). Later, the Zeiss 50/2 became my go-around, multipurpose, know-it-all lens, the Milvus version being nearly flawless.
Recently, I started using the 55/2.8 again, with some precautions and less pipe organs involved, and I really appreciate it. It looks like the last 55/3.5 version might be even more attractive. Only issue is, I'm still using the Df with a clear ground glass (I hate split and microprism, finding them distracting, already from my film days) and a magnifying eyepiece, but f/3.5 might really become too dark, as my eyesight is not getting better. Maybe I should give it a try.
Anyway, a great review (as usual). I really appreciate your efforts to show what makes lenses special and interesting!
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the usual screen should be perfect with this :o :o :o
split prism is not recommended with this as it gets dark ::)
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That's why I cannot stand them - even slightly moving the eye off-axis will make them look dark.
Of course, a Z5 could be a nice complement to that lens... ahem...
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Very nice article about this lens Richard, reflecting my own feelings for it, particularly with respect to the rendering compared to the f/2.8 version, which I have only tried briefly. When I bought my first copy lightly used >40 years ago, It became the standard lens on my F2 and has remained one of the lenses that always comes along. I now have a second copy, both of the later version with serial numbers fairly close, but the scale for the reproduction ratio that is orange on my second copy is yellow-whitish on my first copy (could be just fading after long time use).
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Allow me to fuel your N.A.S.
IMO, Everyone should own a copy of the 55/3.5. I'm most familiar with the last, NIC version. At it's design-specified 1:10 repro ratio, it's an insanely high-resolution lens. Outside that parameter, say at infinity and at 1:2 or 1:1, the decline of small detail rendition off of the 1:10 performance is noticeable on today's digital 100% zoom viewing, but was largely invisible when used casually on film, and may or may not work well for standard photos, depending on what 'look' you are looking for. It is known for relatively low flare and ghost from the sun when compared to double-Gauss macros such as the
Micro-Nikkor 55/2.8 or the Zeiss ZF 50/2.
It also make a good macro focal length for APS-C cameras, like my Fujifilm XE-2.
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I recently purchased the 55/3.5 from a reputable collector we all know here. ;) I've only tested it yet, but am very happy with the result. Even at normal shooting distances, the images look sharp without being clinical. Wide open, the corners looks a bit soft but not at all smeared. I like the overall rounded rendition.
Ais 55/2.8 was my standard lens when I used Nikon F3 during the film days. I liked the sharp image but found the bokeh rather quite busy.
I also like a bit longer focus throw of f3.5 version, especially between 3m and infinity, which makes its all-round use more comfortable.
My only complaint would be that the lens has six aperture blades instead of seven, although their curves are not as straight as those on the 50/2.0 Nikkors.
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this is a much better lens artistically if you ask me :o :o :o
the 2.8 may be sharper but this one has better rendering.
some people say that the 3.5 is sharper than the 2.8, hard to confirm this.
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The article shows your love for the lens :) Excellent and informative work, as always.
I´ve got the compensating version and it is fantastic on the Z6.
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At it's design-specified 1:10 repro ratio, it's an insanely high-resolution lens. Outside that parameter, say at infinity and at 1:2 or 1:1, the decline of small detail rendition off of the 1:10 performance is noticeable on today's digital 100% zoom viewing, but was largely invisible when used casually on film, and may or may not work well for standard photos, depending on what 'look' you are looking for.
Thank you, Keith. I have dabbled with using this lens at almost 1:1 to photograph my black-and-white negatives. Now I understand why the results are soft towards the corners. As you say, not necessarily unusable but definitely noticeable.
It is indeed amazing when closer to 1:10.
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The focus throw of the 55/3.5 and 55/2.8 is the same at far distances. At close range the focus throw of the 55/2.8 is very slightly longer, because its total focus throw is longer (310° compared to 300°) and it does not focus as close (0.25m vs 0.241m)* In practical terms it makes no difference in normal use. If you need a long focus throw for normal shooting, the AI 50/2 or AI 50/1.8 are much better :)
* Even though the 55/2.8 does not focus as close, the magnification at the closest distance is slightly higher because the focal length increases due to the floating elements.
I haven't compared the 55/3.5 and 55/2.8 in terms of sharpness, both are very sharp lenses. It is possible the 55/3.5 is better near 1:10 magnifications, but I expect the 55/2.8 does better across the entire focus range from infinity to 1:2 because it has close range correction.
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The article shows your love for the lens :) Excellent and informative work, as always.
Yes, completely agree.
I´ve got the compensating version and it is fantastic on the Z6.
Yes, great version of the lens
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Thank you for the writeup Rick! I have both lenses discussed here and they are among the sharpest lenses among the F-lenses and comparable to the 50mm 1.8 in Z-Mount
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What Nikon (or Non-Nikon) lens of around 55mm focal length would you go for if best performance at 1:1 was desired?
TIA.
The focus throw of the 55/3.5 and 55/2.8 is the same at far distances. At close range the focus throw of the 55/2.8 is very slightly longer, because its total focus throw is longer (310° compared to 300°) and it does not focus as close (0.25m vs 0.241m)* In practical terms it makes no difference in normal use. If you need a long focus throw for normal shooting, the AI 50/2 or AI 50/1.8 are much better :)
* Even though the 55/2.8 does not focus as close, the magnification at the closest distance is slightly higher because the focal length increases due to the floating elements.
I haven't compared the 55/3.5 and 55/2.8 in terms of sharpness, both are very sharp lenses. It is possible the 55/3.5 is better near 1:10 magnifications, but I expect the 55/2.8 does better across the entire focus range from infinity to 1:2 because it has close range correction.
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The focus throw of the 55/3.5 and 55/2.8 is the same at far distances. At close range the focus throw of the 55/2.8 is very slightly longer, because its total focus throw is longer (310° compared to 300°) and it does not focus as close (0.25m vs 0.241m)* In practical terms it makes no difference in normal use. If you need a long focus throw for normal shooting, the AI 50/2 or AI 50/1.8 are much better :)
Wow, really? My impression is that the f3.5 is easier to focus. although Ai 50s are definitely easier to focus than the Ais versions, f1.8 or f1.2.
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What Nikon (or Non-Nikon) lens of around 55mm focal length would you go for if best performance at 1:1 was desired?
TIA.
Not 1:1 but for sure 'best performance' I have only used one a few times, Birna has been kind enough to lend it to me ;D
Here is Lens rentals on the Coastal Optics:
The Coastal Optics UV-VIS-IR 60mm Macro for Nikon is a specialty lens used for forensic, ultraviolet, and infrared photography. Key features include:- Nikon F mount
- Not your standard macro lens
- Designed for ultraviolet and infrared capture
- Near-perfect optics
Not Your Standard Macro Lens. The Coastal Optics UV-VIS-IR 60mm Macro is very much a specialty lens. If you don’t know what it is, just move along, move along. If you want a great Macro lens, save a lot of money and rent one of the other ones. This is a very expensive optic used for special purposes only.UV/IR Capture. The Coastal Optic 60mm Macro is, first and foremost, a lens used for forensic photography. It’s equally outstanding in ultraviolet light, infrared light, and in the visible light spectrum. It’s completely apochromatic from 315nm to 1100nm wavelength.Nearly Perfect Optics. This is arguably considered one of the most distortion- and aberration-free lenses made, and is used as a standard against which other standard-range lenses are measured.Nikon F Mount. This lens comes in Nikon F mount and Nikon F mount only. If you’d like to use it on another system or mount, you’ll need to use an adapter. If you’re using it for scientific purposes, you probably already know that’s a bad idea, as adapter tolerances are like a 55MPH speed-limit sign on the interstate.
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What Nikon (or Non-Nikon) lens of around 55mm focal length would you go for if best performance at 1:1 was desired?
TIA.
The AIS 55/2.8 micro on a PK-13 tube (27.5mm) should be better than the AI 55/3.5. The 55/2.8 micro has floating elements so when it if focused all the way out it should be better configured for close range photography than the 55/3.5. Note: don't use the 55/2.8 micro on the PN-11 (52.5mm) for 1:1 shooting. In this set up the lens will be "focused" near infinity so the optics will work against you and won't be well configured for macro shooting.
I don't have experience with the AF models. The AF 55/2.8 micro has the same optics as the AIS 55/2.8 but the 1:2 reproduction ratio was extended to 1:1 by redesigning the floating trajectory. I'd guess performance would be similar near infinity but at close range the amount of correction is different - not sure which turns out to be best near 1:1.
The article here suggests the AF 60/2.8 micro should be better at 1:1 since it was designed to focus from infinity to 1:1 from the start:
https://imaging.nikon.com/history/story/0074/index.htm
The same article goes on to say: "The AF-S Micro NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8G ED is equipped with two aspherical lenses and one ED glass lens that do an incredible job of correcting axial chromatic aberration, and spherical aberration and coma especially with shooting at close distances."
So I'd say the AF-S 60/2.8 micro should be best at 1:1.
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Wow, really? My impression is that the f3.5 is easier to focus. although Ai 50s are definitely easier to focus than the Ais versions, f1.8 or f1.2.
I have both, and they really are the same :)