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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Airy on December 23, 2019, 23:17:31

Title: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Airy on December 23, 2019, 23:17:31
Inspired by the thread "50/1.2" on Z6, and not a bit jealous, here's a thread about the fifties or so opening up to f/1.2 (50/1.2 AI, 50/1.2 AIS, 55/1.2, 58/1.2 AI or AIS, and maybe some exotic ones). Shots will not be limited to max aperture.

This one depicts the bronze version of Léon Trulin. Sad story.

50/1.2 AI, f/1.2 of course. No vignetting correction in PP.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on December 24, 2019, 02:58:14
[Prior content deleted]

Well, another mental glitch on my part. Apparently the Z6 and Df are the same thing in my head.

Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Frank Fremerey on December 24, 2019, 05:18:19
Thank you, Bill. The Canon FD 1.2/50mm cannot be mounted to the Df and reach infinity???
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Akira on December 24, 2019, 05:39:50
Don't wanna see 50/1.2 threads, don't wanna see 50/1.2 threads, don't wanna see 50/1.2 threads...
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Nasos Kosmas on December 24, 2019, 09:35:13
Don't wanna see 50/1.2 threads, don't wanna see 50/1.2 threads, don't wanna see 50/1.2 threads...
Yes!
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Airy on December 24, 2019, 10:28:48
keep calm, it's only a 5x/1.2 thread, where x = 0, 5, or 8 :)
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Akira on December 24, 2019, 10:56:33
keep calm, it's only a 5x/1.2 thread, where x = 0, 5, or 8 :)

Don't wanna see 5x/1.y threads, don't wanna see 5x/1.y threads, don't wanna see 5x/1.y threads... (x = 0, 5 or 8, y < 5)
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Frank Fremerey on December 24, 2019, 14:25:08
Don't wanna see 5x/1.y threads, don't wanna see 5x/1.y threads, don't wanna see 5x/1.y threads... (x = 0, 5 or 8, y < 5)

Akira wants to win the lottery and buy a lot of 5x/1.y lenses...
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on December 24, 2019, 22:47:21
Thank you, Bill. The Canon FD 1.2/50mm cannot be mounted to the Df and reach infinity???

Not without additional optics.  The lens will pop up here in a different thread soon enough.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Akira on December 25, 2019, 06:11:20
Akira wants to win the lottery and buy a lot of 5x/1.y lenses...

Frank, please do not read my mind so accurately!!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Hugh_3170 on December 25, 2019, 12:47:42
Me thinks that Canon FD lenses should be snapped up before they get too expensive. 

With skinny MILC camera bodies now available with good IQ and with FX/135 sized sensors, these un-loved but good lenses from the dark side need to be liberated from their oppressive EOS jailers and put to good use.  ;D
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Frank Fremerey on December 25, 2019, 13:22:34
Me thinks that Canon FD lenses should be snapped up before they get too expensive. 

With skinny MILC camera bodies now available with good IQ and with FX/135 sized sensors, these un-loved but good lenses from the dark side need to be liberated from their oppressive EOS jailers and put to good use.  ;D

same is true for the Minolta MD series, phantastic optics, before AF hit the shelves at the end of the 1980ies

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/manual-minolta-lens-ratings/
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bent Hjarbo on December 25, 2019, 13:48:04
Interesting thread
My seasonal picture, taken last night. It shows some of my reservations on this lens, it does not like lights, being candles or light bulbs.
Df 50mm f1.2 @f1.2
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bruno Schroder on December 25, 2019, 14:25:52
Good idea for the thread. x=8, y=2, whatever the exif says. As usual, I forgot to adapt in the Menu

Too dark to focus but the approximate suits me, although it could probably be better placed in the Unsharp thread. Df 58/1.2 at f1.2
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: John Geerts on December 25, 2019, 15:25:01
After the fire

50mm f/1.2    Ai
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: golunvolo on December 25, 2019, 17:07:30
Don't wanna see 5x/1.y threads, don't wanna see 5x/1.y threads, don't wanna see 5x/1.y threads... (x = 0, 5 or 8, y < 5)

   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

   Neither do I  :D
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Frank Fremerey on December 25, 2019, 21:13:11
x=8
y=4

Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bruno Schroder on December 26, 2019, 20:17:37
58/1.2 f2.0
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Luc on December 26, 2019, 22:34:05
x=8
y=4
Lovely images, Frank.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Luc on December 26, 2019, 22:35:46
58/1.2 f2.0
Mystique. Very nice, Bruno.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Luc on December 26, 2019, 22:39:45
Fiat 1100 TV 1954 (Df + 50mm f1.2 @ f8)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/3886/14305591430_9284bfd7db_h.jpg)


Fiat V8 Vignale 1953 (Df + 50mm f1.2 @ f8)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/2908/14503820973_bd96e26b71_h.jpg)
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Frank Fremerey on December 26, 2019, 23:31:15
Lovely images, Frank.

thank you, Luc
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on December 27, 2019, 03:19:25
Nice shots of the classic cars, Luc.

Thank you, Bill. The Canon FD 1.2/50mm cannot be mounted to the Df and reach infinity???

Fortunately, adapters are available.  The most useful adapter would have a thickness of -4.5mm.  Unfortunately, B&H doesn't carry it yet.  I had to make do with a Fotodiox adapter of positive thickness, with of course the optics removed.  The result is effectively an extension of about 12.8mm.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49279444848_51621c7154_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i5E35Q)Wooden Post (https://flic.kr/p/2i5E35Q) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bruno Schroder on December 27, 2019, 10:27:04
Mystique. Very nice, Bruno.

Thank you, Luc. Nice pictures of the cars. They feel like coming from an adventure of Tintin.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: JJChan on December 28, 2019, 00:35:03
X=8 Y=2 both at f1.2 - from late afternoon walk yesterday
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on December 28, 2019, 06:29:58
The fragile appearance of this dried stalk belies the ecological ferocity of this noxious weed, Dittrichia graveolens, hostile to all other plants and all herbivores in the places it's invading in California.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49284742498_e7789d0a4f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i68bTC)Autumn Dissolution (https://flic.kr/p/2i68bTC) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr

Canon 50mm f/1.2 L on Df, mounted as before.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Mike G on December 28, 2019, 11:40:06
Would some kind soul please explain what "5x/1.2 on Df" means, I'm supposing Df refers to the Nikon Df camera? Thanks
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Thomas Stellwag on December 28, 2019, 12:03:59
Would some kind soul please explain what "5x/1.2 on Df" means, I'm supposing Df refers to the Nikon Df camera? Thanks

50, 55, 58 mm lenses with  max aperture 1.2 on DF, see Airys post in the beginning
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Frank Fremerey on December 28, 2019, 12:16:46
I guess noone really stayed with the Df. I never owned a Df for example. I see this more as a 5x/1.y thread
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Thomas Stellwag on December 28, 2019, 12:51:22
I understand it as that  :)
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Frank Fremerey on December 28, 2019, 15:11:03
I understand it as that  :)

You are the brightest star. shine.

where is the Canon?
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on December 29, 2019, 22:04:50
More from the FD 50/1.2 L:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49285217301_c438b37379_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i6aC2T)
Bark Chasm (https://flic.kr/p/2i6aC2T) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Erik Lund on December 30, 2019, 10:15:29
I understand it as that  :)
Very nice set! Happy New Year ;)
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Thomas Stellwag on December 30, 2019, 10:56:01
Very nice set! Happy New Year ;)

thank you Erik
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Jack Dahlgren on December 31, 2019, 05:41:05
AI 55mm at f/1.2 on Z6
Some of the bloom can be controlled in black and white.
I find it quite sharp at f/5.6
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: JJChan on December 31, 2019, 14:58:37
Since we are not limited to Df, this is 7Artisans 50mm f1.1 on Novoflex adaptor on Z7 (yes, man is reading iPad on the waters edge)
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on December 31, 2019, 21:54:09
Cranberries, again with the Canon FD 50mm f/1.2 L on the Df:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49285431977_c60608fc3a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i6bHRc)
Cranberries 2019 (https://flic.kr/p/2i6bHRc) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr

This is the cultivated North American cranberry, Vaccinium macrocarpon, similar to but distinct from the V. oxycoccos called cranberry in the UK.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: pluton on January 01, 2020, 22:27:58
Lovely cranberries shot, Bill.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Tristin on January 01, 2020, 23:39:08
JJ, the second image in #35 is great, but it appears the PP gave the vertical beam a halo?
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Toby on January 02, 2020, 00:46:25
I'm hoping it is OK to post 1.2s NOT shot on a Df. I have a Sony A7RII (horrors!) that allows me to shoot a few different 1.2s that do not fit on a Nikon DSLR First two with a Cosina 55mm f1.2 in Pentax PK mount (not the Porst version--probably Tominon). Second two late Nikon 55mm f1.2. Third two Nikkor CRT 55mm f1.2. Fourth two Canon LTM 50mm f1.2. Last two, just for fun, Elgeet STL Navitar (Space Technology Laboratories) 86mm f1.2...anyway, it's a 1.2...
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: JJChan on January 02, 2020, 00:50:44
Toby -
Ethereal! Stunning.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: JJChan on January 02, 2020, 00:52:35
JJ, the second image in #35 is great, but it appears the PP gave the vertical beam a halo?

There a tiny bit of halo but mostly reflection off the fast setting sun. The girls and the old mans hair also shine. Thanks for looking!
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Hugh_3170 on January 02, 2020, 04:57:36
Bill, you have got your  Canon FD 50mm f/1.2 L on the Df working well. Nice.

Cranberries, again with the Canon FD 50mm f/1.2 L on the Df:
...............................................................................

This is the cultivated North American cranberry, Vaccinium macrocarpon, similar to but distinct from the V. oxycoccos called cranberry in the UK.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: tommiejeep on January 02, 2020, 05:05:25
Toby, wow, quite a selection (images and lenses  :) ).
Thanks for sharing
Tom
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on January 02, 2020, 05:45:31
Thank you, Keith and Hugh. I just happened to run into these cranberries in the kitchen before they were transformed by cooking.  Toby, I continue to be amazed by the bokeh effects possible with some of these lenses. Wonderful compositions and thanks for sharing.

Here's one more closeup from the Canon FD 50/1.2 L:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49284745213_8e9550f167_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i68cGr)
_DSC4053 (https://flic.kr/p/2i68cGr) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Airy on January 02, 2020, 11:25:12
Great series above. Ah, those poppies...
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: rosko on January 02, 2020, 18:16:16

Third two Nikkor CRT 55mm f1.2. Fourth two Canon LTM 50mm f1.2.

I like the Wood sorrel flower (5th pic) !
Great series. :)
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: golunvolo on January 02, 2020, 21:49:59
Toby, wow, quite a selection (images and lenses  :) ).
Thanks for sharing
Tom
Toby -
Ethereal! Stunning.
+1. I´m a fan of your feet shoot
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: richardHaw on January 03, 2020, 02:23:26
(https://richardhaw.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/haw_9664.jpg)

from my noct article :o :o :o
https://richardhaw.com/2016/09/25/repair-noct-nikkor-58mm-f1-2-ai-s/
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: richardHaw on January 03, 2020, 02:25:13
(https://richardhaw.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/haw_9670.jpg)

at the corner :o :o :o (noct)
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Akira on January 04, 2020, 07:44:24
Okay, I pulled out my X=5, Y=2 for the first time in a while on a full-frame body, i.e. fp not Df (excuse me for the violation to the rule :P )

Roughly at 1:1 1:1.28 magnification and at f2.8.

EDIT: the initial magnification data was wrong.  Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on January 04, 2020, 20:30:46
Well done, Akira.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Akira on January 04, 2020, 22:14:09
Well done, Akira.

Thank you, Bill.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on January 17, 2020, 06:00:13
More Canon FD 50mm f/1.2 L on the Df, both at f/1.2:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49397689482_72b882207d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ig756q)_DSC4164-2 (https://flic.kr/p/2ig756q) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49397479216_f62e0af739_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ig5ZA9)_DSC4244 (https://flic.kr/p/2ig5ZA9) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Erik Lund on January 17, 2020, 08:03:18
Really nice rendering! Lovely smooth Bokeh
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Frank Fremerey on January 17, 2020, 14:30:41
Toby -
Ethereal! Stunning.

+1 I love your work, Toby, sensible sensitive light paintings
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on January 18, 2020, 23:16:40
Thanks, Eric.

The two berries in the second photo show interesting optical effects.  I tried to focus on the larger berry, but there was too little depth of field to put the sepal (brown triangular thing in front of the berry), the front of the berry, and the small projection on top of the berry (pistil) all in focus.  The photo I posted showed what I decided was the best compromise focal zone.  Even so, focus is a bit soft due to aberrations; remember that the lens is on extension.  I get a slight sense of almost a 'glow' about the berries, which may be due to spherical aberration.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bent Hjarbo on January 20, 2020, 14:01:33
Spring is early this year.
It may just be my samle, but even with this light from the side, I get a lot of glow @f1.2, it goes completely away @f2.0
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Erik Lund on January 20, 2020, 15:43:05
A trick is to avoid glow with these fast lenses, at full opening, is to underexpose the image by for instance approximately one stop, then in PP raise the exposure by similar amount, except the very bright highlights, by the same amount approximately ;)
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bent Hjarbo on January 20, 2020, 15:53:28
Thank you Erik, will try next time the sun shines ;)
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on January 20, 2020, 19:29:34
Yes, thanks Eric.  I'll try to remember that.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Peter Forsell on January 20, 2020, 20:15:32
Deleted. Sorry got mistaken at some point that this was 5x/1.y... it must have been some other thread. Sorry again.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Bill De Jager on January 21, 2020, 06:56:33
Deleted. Sorry got mistaken at some point that this was 5x/1.y... it must have been some other thread. Sorry again.

It is!  See page 1.
Title: Re: [Theme] 5x/1.2 on Df
Post by: Frank Fremerey on January 21, 2020, 08:28:53
It is!  See page 1.

it depends on how you define .... fun it is anyway ... the opening post was explicit

Df

1.2

5x

but the deviation was well accepted so far