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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Bill De Jager on December 17, 2019, 03:29:09
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At f/1.2:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49230964476_933eb8b85e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1nyym)_DSC0945 (https://flic.kr/p/2i1nyym) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49230497683_873b5dba07_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1kaNc)_DSC0959 (https://flic.kr/p/2i1kaNc) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49230497448_4ef25e3577_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1kaJ9)_DSC0973 (https://flic.kr/p/2i1kaJ9) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr
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IBIS and focus zoom really opens up possibilities with the 50/1.2!
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I found the focus peaking to be really useful in taking these photos. It felt like I could do what I wanted to with the lens just by using the EVF, like long ago when I was shooting manual focus with film.
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Really nice images! Here also the post processing is perfect nice smooth transitions and bokeh ;) It's so easy to over-cook the images from sharp lenses, making the bokeh look harsh
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Beautiful use. I echo the comments by Tristin and Erik.
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Thanks, Tristin, Eric, and Paco. More at f/1.2:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49230964661_4b127d519c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1nyBx)_DSC0942 (https://flic.kr/p/2i1nyBx) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49230963791_f9e0fbfdc4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1nymx)_DSC0984 (https://flic.kr/p/2i1nymx) by Bill de Jager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99349448@N06/), on Flickr
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Beautiful use. I echo the comments by Tristin and Erik.
Agree,
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Nice results !
Like your images... ;)
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Bokehlicious! Lovely rendition of colours too. What is the minimal focusing distance?
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Excellent use.
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https://richardhaw.com/2016/05/01/repair-nikkor-50mm-f1-2-ai-s-dust-removal/
some pictures here :o :o :o
for the 50/1.2ai ::)
https://richardhaw.com/2019/12/07/repair-nikkor-50mm-f-1-2-ai/
the Z6 isnt as responsive as a DSLR at low light tho
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I would have thought that 'most people' if such a phase is acceptable here ;) would choose Z7 and boost the IQ high resolution etc. But obvious to me now is that Z6 is a extremely popular and capable camera ;) The rendering is just amazing the ability to render areas that are smooth and shiny seems to be so life-like without disturbing glare, leaf image for instance.Thanks for sharing!
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Thank you John, Francis, Cyril, Airy, Richard, and Eric.
Close focus of the AI-S version is 0.5 m as per Roland's site.
I'd heard about this lens over the years. At first my reaction was, why would I need or want such speed? Why pay much more for just a fraction of a stop? Then I ran into enthusiasts for this lens on NikonGear but heard that the lens was 'tempermental'. Hmmm...didn't interest me.
At some point I saw close-range f/1.2 photos here from this lens that intrigued me to the point where I wanted one, so I went ahead and took the plunge. Tests at distance showed the lens not very sharp away from the center when wide open, but playing around with closeups and minimal depth of field showed a lot of promise from the start.
With the Z cameras I had planned to wait for the next generation in the hope that some early shortcomings would be addressed. In the end I went ahead and got a Z6 on sale, on the basis that I could experiment sooner with a lot of lenses from different mounts which I already have, and why wait to enjoy them? The advantage of getting the Z6 rather than the Z7 at this time is saving money, in the expectation that I'll eventually get an improved high-resolution Z7 (Z8?) in a couple of years or so. I already have a D810 for high-resolution shots in the meantime.
Here in lowland California things were rather dreary the last few months (until a few weeks ago) due to normal seasonal haze, human-caused air pollution, smoke from fires, the effects of the normal seasonal drought on vegetation, and at least early on in the period a higher sun angle. Now things have freshened up with recent seasonable rains, fresh new grass, clean air, and a very low sun. The new few months should offer far better light and subjects for a nature photographer like me. Plus, a debilitating health condition has improved greatly so I'm motivated to get outside more and do things for fun.
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It has a lovely magical look for portraits wide open that I prefer over the modern corrected lenses, and it makes fantastic light stars when stopped down for scenic shots as a bonus. I will likely never switch to another 50 in my life.
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I already loved this lens on DSLRs but now I can be much more confident about placing focus where I want it. Looking forward to some nightly outings.
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(https://richardhaw.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/fh000031-1.jpg?w=779&h=&zoom=2)
amazing when shot with film (from my blog) :o :o :o
(https://richardhaw.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/dsc_0985.jpg?w=2000&h=)
from the Ai version ::) (Z6)
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Excellent shots Richard!
Simone, while I wasn't impressed overall with the Z6, handheld night shooting with the 50/1.2 was the one application where it was undeniably awesome! Perfect use.
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First shots between f/1.2 and f/2.
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Simone, while I wasn't impressed overall with the Z6, handheld night shooting with the 50/1.2 was the one application where it was undeniably awesome! Perfect use.
I've only had it for three days and I have not found anything worth complaining about. I'm curious to know what issues you faced?
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Nice results, Richard and Simone. I particularly like the way that the light fixtures have a real 3-D look to them.
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I've only had it for three days and I have not found anything worth complaining about. I'm curious to know what issues you faced?
Banding & more P&S style controls (coming from D750). Don't want to hijack the thread, will make a thread soon.
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sorry, from the Ai version (Z6) :o :o :o
same optics anyway ::)
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sorry, from the Ai version (Z6) :o :o :o
same optics anyway ::)
Indeed ; I have both versions and found them to be impossible to distinguish, except :
- 7 vs. 9 blades (that's not optics anyway)
- a hint of lesser vignetting with the AI (not even sure)
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I don't need a 50mm 1.2, I don't need a 50mm 1.2, I don't need a 50mm 1.2... ::)
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I don't need a 50mm 1.2, I don't need a 50mm 1.2, I don't need a 50mm 1.2... ::)
;D ;D ;D
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I don't need a 50mm 1.2, I don't need a 50mm 1.2, I don't need a 50mm 1.2... ::)
;D ;D ;D , I have one ::) but no Z6 ::)
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from the Ai (Z6) :o :o :o
the blades are different, i like the Ai-S more ::)
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Paco, you already have the Z6 and the FTZ, so just missing out on the 50/1.2. It will be yours in the near future is my prediction for 2020 :)
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;D ;D ;D
||: I don't need a Z6 :||
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I don't know what is going on but around here 50/1.2s are popping up everywhere on the used market for very modest prices. Back in 2009ish when I bought mine I had to resort to buying it from abroad (my copy came from Israel and was full of sand/big dust particles which I had to have removed by a technician).
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There are more fancy & expensive prime lenses on the market now than ten year ago, when big zooms were all the rage, maybe that's why people let go of this not-so-perfect lens. Also, with all those adapters (e.g. for mirrorless, including m43) there may be more customers.
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||: I don't need a Z6 :||
;D ;D ;D
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from the Ai (Z6) :o :o :o
the blades are different, i like the Ai-S more ::)
On digital cameras, I would prefer the Ai versions in general for longer focus throw, especially in terms of fast lenses. Ais 50/1.2 was very tricky to focus between 5m and infinity. Seven-blade aperture for such a fast lens is not nice, though.
Maybe Cosina 58/1.4? It should offer slimilar DOF to that of 50/1.2.
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I don't need a 50mm 1.2, I don't need a 50mm 1.2, I don't need a 50mm 1.2... ::)
wait for the "S" class
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sorry, from the Ai version (Z6) :o :o :o
same optics anyway ::)
phantastic shot
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sorry about the deviation: is there a thread comparing the
1.2/50
1.2/55
1.2/58
Nikkors? I am really confused
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Or https://photorumors.com/2019/10/18/voigtlander-50mm-f-2-0-apo-lanthar-mirrorless-lens-for-sony-e-mount-additional-coverage/ (https://photorumors.com/2019/10/18/voigtlander-50mm-f-2-0-apo-lanthar-mirrorless-lens-for-sony-e-mount-additional-coverage/)
Better than the equivalent Leica?
Good with an adapter on the Z ;)
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phantastic shot
+10...!
What a beauty !
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It's very interesting how different the bokeh rendering of the 50mm f1.2 is as compared to the earlier 55mm f1.2. For those who like smooth bokeh the 50mm is definitely better, but those who like the so-called "bokeh bubbles" the 55 is worth a look.
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Toby, those are amazing photos.
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wait for the "S" class
Eh. It is all but guaranteed the 50/1.2S will have the modern corrected look, so it really depends on how you use your 50 wide open. The S will not be as flattering for people, which is what I shoot at 50/1.2 for, so I doubt I will ever bother with the S.
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Eh. It is all but guaranteed the 50/1.2S will have the modern corrected look, so it really depends on how you use your 50 wide open. The S will not be as flattering for people, which is what I shoot at 50/1.2 for, so I doubt I will ever bother with the S.
I will try the "S". I love the "modern" look of lenses like the 1.4/24G or the 1.4/58G, 1.4/205E or the 2.0/200VR ... all of these are magical and not only picture making machines like the character free 2.8/24-70G and many other lenses that are simply too perfect...
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It's very interesting how different the bokeh rendering of the 50mm f1.2 is as compared to the earlier 55mm f1.2. For those who like smooth bokeh the 50mm is definitely better, but those who like the so-called "bokeh bubbles" the 55 is worth a look.
OK. Now I know what my next buy will be.
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I found that the interesting bokeh effects of the 55/1.2 (a K/Ai copy) increased as the lens was focused closer. I liked the effect at 1 meter and closer, but the effect faded away at long distances.
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50/1.2 ai-s @1.2
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Z6 with 50/1.2, car roof and weeds...
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Yes focus is much better on the Z6, but I still get unwanted glow at f1.2
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If you don't want glow you should choose another lens ;D 8)
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If you don't want glow you should choose another lens ;D 8)
::) :D
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Or choose another subject. In my opinion the 1.2 does not so good at images with such busy back- and foregrounds.
Better at a setup like this, shot at f2
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48832734243_4e1a557f1f_b.jpg)
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Yesterday I went on a manual focus trip with the 50mm f1.2. My first serious outing with this lens on the Z6. Focusing is relatively easy with peaking and zoom function.
I don't remember the apertures, sorry about that.
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50376706837_3559b0c896_h.jpg)
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50375835918_43c2ed63d6_h.jpg)
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50376535026_fb53b56f30_h.jpg)
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50mm f/1.2ais on Z
tats a goed thang
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Very good results indeed.
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That is a really nice series, Luc. I had an eye on a 50mm 1.2 but did not buy it because of the bokeh comments at f1.2. The speed was one of the main reasons to consider this lens but the comments on the web did hold me back. Bit these photos show the lens has great potential.
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Here's another option for using your 50/1.2 lens
I own two of them, and these days, my preferred method of using them is on my Panasonic MFT cameras with a Metabones Speed Booster (see photo).
With this speed booster, the effective aperture wide open is f0.80 and the field of view is similar to 40mm-ish on full frame. Also it's sharper too.
These days I'm shooting all of my Nikkor lenses either with a speed booster on MFT cameras, or on a Nikon CCD sensor camera (prefer CCD colors).
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Nice series, Luc. I like the atmosphere created by the lens.
Apparently, fast standard MF lenses are in fashion again here?
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That is a really nice series, Luc. I had an eye on a 50mm 1.2 but did not buy it because of the bokeh comments at f1.2. The speed was one of the main reasons to consider this lens but the comments on the web did hold me back. Bit these photos show the lens has great potential.
From f/2.0, it is my favourite Nikkor 50 (ex aequo with the very different 50/2 AI), plus it provides special effects at f/1.2-f/1.4. So I am a happy owner. The 50/1.2 AI is my standard lens for shooting demonstrations and similar events, god knows why.
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Nice shots, guys. I think, seeing them, that I’ll have to purchase it once again. :)
I exchanged it for 55/1.2 but somehow still leaning towards the newer.
Maybe I would keep both but my photo backpack is already overflowing. ::)
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That’s a nice set up Bruce, may I ask where you got the Nikon rubber focusing collar? I have a few old timers that would work well on. I agree with the comments on the 50 1.2. It doesn’t work with busy backgrounds but it sure looks in this set. I have the Ai version and tried it on the Z6 when it first came out and was very impressed. I will just wait a few years for the price to drop. I’m looking forward to have image stabilization on all my manual focus glass. It will be like shooting my old Nikkormat with a 50 at a 1/4 of a second when my hands were more steady. Gerry
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Very nice photos Luc,
Bruce clever setup to get all the good things from this lens
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Yes focus is much better on the Z6, but I still get unwanted glow at f1.2
The glow is what makes the 50/1.2 ai-s a keeper for me! Definitely a lot easier to use on the Z EVFs.
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Here's another option for using your 50/1.2 lens
I own two of them, and these days, my preferred method of using them is on my Panasonic MFT cameras with a Metabones Speed Booster (see photo).
With this speed booster, the effective aperture wide open is f0.80 and the field of view is similar to 40mm-ish on full frame. Also it's sharper too.
These days I'm shooting all of my Nikkor lenses either with a speed booster on MFT cameras, or on a Nikon CCD sensor camera (prefer CCD colors).
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Nice setup indeed, Bruce. I own Olympus E-M10 MFT cameras and a (normal/non-speedbooster) F to MFT adapter.
I've used it only a few times though. I didn't like the 2x focal length factor and for me the EVF isn't good enough for manual focus.
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Thanks all for your comments and contributions on the series of images I posted earlier this week.
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Just for the sake of variety, here are a few shots with the Cosina 55mm f1.2 in PK mount. I always used to think that Nikon lenses of the day were the ne plus ultra of SLR lenses, but honestly I am very impressed with this "cheap" 3rd party lens. It does have distinctively different bokeh, not soft, but neither too harsh IMO, that gives it a very painterly look in OOF areas
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Great fun that bee shot!.
All of these Cosina images looks like they where post processed quite 'hard', this really does not show the rendering characteristics directly, so the observer should be aware of this ;)
Great images series!
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I made time this last week and put my Nikon 50mm AI 1.2 on my Nikon Z50/FTZ and had some fun. Switching the peaking color from the default of red to blue definitely made a difference. With peaking and zoom, it was so much simpler than using the 50/1.2 on my D610, D7100, D7200, and D7500.
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That’s a nice set up Bruce, may I ask where you got the Nikon rubber focusing collar? I have a few old timers that would work well on. I agree with the comments on the 50 1.2. It doesn’t work with busy backgrounds but it sure looks in this set. I have the Ai version and tried it on the Z6 when it first came out and was very impressed. I will just wait a few years for the price to drop. I’m looking forward to have image stabilization on all my manual focus glass. It will be like shooting my old Nikkormat with a 50 at a 1/4 of a second when my hands were more steady. Gerry
Gerry, I bought the rubber "Nikon" grip from that big "Amazon.com" like Internet retailer out of China. Alibaba, or something like that. It was inexpensive, but I try not to buy gear from China these days because shipping takes so long.
I always shoot my 50/1.2 on speed boosters wide open, so the aperture is f/0.80. I'm usually needing either an electronic shutter for super fast shutter speeds or ND filters. When always shooting at 1/2,000th or faster there's no need for IS, so even though my Panasonic MFT bodies have IS built into them, I never use it because of the super high shutter speeds I'm using.
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Great fun that bee shot!.
All of these Cosina images looks like they where post processed quite 'hard', this really does not show the rendering characteristics directly, so the observer should be aware of this ;)
Great images series!
I'm with Erik, I would like to see these unprocessed to be able to value the pure rendering of the lens.
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shooting this from f/1.4-f/1.8 is the reason for this lens' existence :o :o :o
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A little late at this thread, but still relevant I hope.
The 50 1.2 ais made me trade me 58 1.4 voigtländer. It felt that good.
I use it on m43 as well (various Olys) via speedbooster or normal adapter.
I find the 2-4 range excellent. 2 for dreamy look with good central sharpness and 4 for biting results almost full frame.
Lovely satisfying construction as well.
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A little late at this thread, but still relevant I hope.
The 50 1.2 ais made me trade me 58 1.4 voigtländer. It felt that good.
I use it on m43 as well (various Olys) via speedbooster or normal adapter.
I find the 2-4 range excellent. 2 for dreamy look with good central sharpness and 4 for biting results almost full frame.
Lovely satisfying construction as well.
Lovely sir!
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Thank you very much Fons.
Another at 4 or 5.6 I think
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A little late at this thread, but still relevant I hope.
The 50 1.2 ais made me trade me 58 1.4 voigtländer. It felt that good.
I use it on m43 as well (various Olys) via speedbooster or normal adapter.
I find the 2-4 range excellent. 2 for dreamy look with good central sharpness and 4 for biting results almost full frame.
Lovely satisfying construction as well.
Very nice one.
Gardenview (Wide open on the Z6)
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Thank you John.
I like how the greens are captured in your shot.
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Thank you.
2 other examples
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I don't need a 50mm 1.2, I don't need a 50mm 1.2, I don't need a 50mm 1.2... ::)
So did you give in and buy a 50/1.2 AIS?
Dave
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I have a Pentax SMC 50mm f/1.2 arriving today which I'll use with the Z6. It will be interesting to compare the results to those posted in this thread.
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So did you give in and buy a 50/1.2 AIS?
Dave
Not yet. My funding is limited :) Still looking thou
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Neither I need an f1.2 nor a speed booster... ;D
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Today's afternoon walk with 50/1.2 using 1:1 framing and the graphite picture control.
(https://www.suracephoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DSC_0199.jpg)
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Great examples, Simone !
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Great examples, Simone !
Ditto!
You are not helping ;D
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That last shot is so dream like Simone, it makes me think I need to get out more with my 50 1.2 Ai lens. Eventually I’ll buy the Z6 but for now I’ll just use my D 700 to get the same effect. I tend to use my 35 1.4 AIS lens more. It looks like I’m going to have to go for a walk with my 50 1.2 to get these same dreamy effects. Were these all taken wide open? Thanks for posting these there beautiful.Regards Gerry