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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Michael Erlewine on December 16, 2019, 02:00:44

Title: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 16, 2019, 02:00:44
have a lot of fine lenses that are well corrected. Of late, I am checking out the new Nikkor NOCT f/95 in itself and how it compares to lenses like the Zeiss Otus series, in particular the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4 lens.
I am not much of a “lens tester,” aside from how a lens affects my own work. Here is what I find comparing these two lenses.

The bokeh of the NOCT95 is worlds better than the OTUS55, plain and simple.

The OTUS55 is slightly better corrected compared to the NOCT95. I do find a little CA in the NOCT95 (easily removed) compared to the OTUS55, which is better corrected.

The NOCT95, of course, is very much heavier compared to the OTUS55, which I used to think was heavy. LOL.

The lens barrel on the OTUS55 is velvety-smooth, while the lens barrel on the NOCT95 is stiff and difficult to turn, although it might be loosening up a little. I have put a focus-puller cogged band around the barrel of the NOCT95 and that helps.

You can be sure that I checked out the NOCT95 thoroughly, because if it is flawed (for my work) I could have returned it and had a lot of money to spend on other gear. That being said, the NOCT95 (for my work) is a keeper, especially thanks to the speed of the lens and the resulting bokeh. I can’t get that effect with any of the Otus lenses. The closest I can come is the Nikkor “O” CRT lens, which is fast, but has a somewhat restricted focus range and other quirks.

And so, I very much like the Nikon NOCT 58mm f/.095 lens. Here is a shot from each of the lenses, the first shot, one flower, is with the NOCT95 and the second shot, with three flowers, is the Otus55.
 
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Birna Rørslett on December 16, 2019, 08:22:50
Obviously, both lenses are good performers :)

I wonder about the clear difference in colour rendition. The Nikkor renders warm and the Zeiss cold. Is that a repeatable performance or simply due to different light setup?
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Frank Fremerey on December 16, 2019, 08:40:19
yes, the color is the striking difference herr
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Airy on December 16, 2019, 11:25:05
Indeed, color and a little bokeh outlining in the OTUS case.
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 16, 2019, 11:44:37
Indeed, color and a little bokeh outlining in the OTUS case.

Color can vary and that is mostly my fault, trying to find the right mix. They both were taken in the same light, daylight.  You can blame that on me, although I am sure folks who have a rigid test for color will have something to say. The bokeh is the big difference, IMO.
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Fons Baerken on December 16, 2019, 13:09:13
Like the first one better, colour, bokeh and transparancy, it is almost unreal looking.
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Akira on December 17, 2019, 08:48:12
The iris flower looks amazing, and I cannot tell which is "better" on my monitor.

The transition between the flower and the stem looks a bit abrupt and unnatural in #1 to me.

Assuming that the bokeh area is not stacked and rendered in a single frame, Noct renders the bokeh more smoothly for sure.  The Otus shows more "character" here.
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Erik Lund on December 17, 2019, 09:03:51
Looks like it's stacked,,,
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Akira on December 17, 2019, 09:27:39
Looks like it's stacked,,,

You mean, the general bokeh area?
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Erik Lund on December 17, 2019, 09:32:33

The transition between the flower and the stem looks a bit abrupt and unnatural in #1 to me.

This transition makes the image look unnatural  ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 17, 2019, 14:19:52
This transition makes the image look unnatural  ;)

Yes, that's if my goal was to make it look natural. LOL.  To my mind, I stopped doing "nature" photos years ago and, instead (if I am allowed) have been producing impressions of flowers that are more like paintings than real life. I believe different photographers have different views or takes on what is beautiful. It would have been simple to add more detail to the stem, yet to me (if it is OK with you folks) I paint focus where I choose to by focus stacking. What I like is to capture my impression of what is natural in my vision, just as I stopped doing gotcha photos of living things years ago. 
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Erik Lund on December 17, 2019, 14:32:24
Yes, that's if my goal was to make it look natural. LOL.  To my mind, I stopped doing "nature" photos years ago and, instead (if I am allowed) have been producing impressions of flowers that are more like paintings than real life. I believe different photographers have different views or takes on what is beautiful. It would have been simple to add more detail to the stem, yet to me (if it is OK with you folks) I paint focus where I choose to by focus stacking. What I like is to capture my impression of what is natural in my vision, just as I stopped doing gotcha photos of living things years ago.
You are allowed to post stacked images here. LOL.
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Akira on December 17, 2019, 20:51:17
Yes, that's if my goal was to make it look natural. LOL.  To my mind, I stopped doing "nature" photos years ago and, instead (if I am allowed) have been producing impressions of flowers that are more like paintings than real life. I believe different photographers have different views or takes on what is beautiful. It would have been simple to add more detail to the stem, yet to me (if it is OK with you folks) I paint focus where I choose to by focus stacking. What I like is to capture my impression of what is natural in my vision, just as I stopped doing gotcha photos of living things years ago.

I understand your concept.  The images keep marveling me anyway.
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Airy on December 17, 2019, 21:26:19
good concept + good technique + good gear = viewer's delight, and interesting information about those pretty lenses. Thanks for that.
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 18, 2019, 01:39:41
Here is one from today made especially for Erik Lund, with a stem that is pretty much all in focus. Just trying to be agreeable. ;)

Nikkor NOCT .095
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Erik Lund on December 18, 2019, 09:23:31
Thank you that is indeed very lovely! Blushing  ;)
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Michael Erlewine on December 18, 2019, 09:37:19
Thank you that is indeed very lovely! Blushing  ;)

Not everyone brings you flowers! LOL.
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Erik Lund on December 18, 2019, 09:38:54
They have all been female until now,,,  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on December 18, 2019, 18:31:06
NOCT looks really fine to me...
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Erik Lund on January 15, 2020, 10:12:10
Heres another review of the same setup:
https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-58mm-f0-95-noct-review/ (https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-58mm-f0-95-noct-review/)
Also includes comparison to several other similar focal length lenses
 
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Akira on January 15, 2020, 14:18:41
Heres another review of the same setup:
https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-58mm-f0-95-noct-review/ (https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-58mm-f0-95-noct-review/)
Also includes comparison to several other similar focal length lenses

Hmm...the right corner is noticeably softer than the left corner in the long distance performance image.  Is the sample decentered?
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Erik Lund on January 15, 2020, 14:45:54
There is a distance difference, not easy to see, but this has been discussed for images from other lenses same target,,,
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: richardHaw on January 26, 2020, 02:52:14
https://richardhaw.com/2020/01/26/review-nikkor-z-58mm-f-0-95-s-noct/

the best lens i have ever used (wide-open) :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: ColinM on January 26, 2020, 22:42:32

"Just think of this like Blondie (Deborah Harry),
everybody wanted to have a partner like her, I sure did, but she was an ideal that was too-high for most of us..."

Careful Richard!!!!
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: richardHaw on January 27, 2020, 15:01:31

"Just think of this like Blondie (Deborah Harry),
everybody wanted to have a partner like her, I sure did, but she was an ideal that was too-high for most of us..."

Careful Richard!!!!

thankfully my wife doesnt read my blog :o :o :o
the sample photos are unbelievable!
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: simsurace on January 27, 2020, 19:13:17
Heres another review of the same setup:
https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-58mm-f0-95-noct-review/ (https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-58mm-f0-95-noct-review/)
Also includes comparison to several other similar focal length lenses

Interesting. I'm surprised how the 58G fares in the bookshelf example. After all, this lens is widely thought to have above-average bokeh. Could the test sample be decentered? The blur does not seem to emanate in a circular manner. On the other hand, the same is true for the Mitakon...
Title: Re: The Nikon NOCT f/0.95 lens compared to the Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4
Post by: Erik Lund on February 06, 2020, 08:25:05
https://richardhaw.com/2020/01/26/review-nikkor-z-58mm-f-0-95-s-noct/ (https://richardhaw.com/2020/01/26/review-nikkor-z-58mm-f-0-95-s-noct/)

the best lens i have ever used (wide-open) :o :o :o
Now on NikonRumors  :o :o :o

https://nikonrumors.com/2020/02/05/the-latest-nikon-nikkor-z-58mm-f-0-95-s-noct-lens-reviews.aspx/?fbclid=IwAR1Ekh6rxtvO1km7-hNWqAgCFCRzG1V3e0UYV5TinXGitK8-CTf5eg28FUs