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Gear Talk => Processing & Publication => Topic started by: Fons Baerken on September 15, 2019, 09:11:16
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Thats what you get when you dont update photoninja,
btw there is a new update including the Z mounts.
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I just got a message from Jim Christian, the maker of Picture Code (=Photo Ninja)
"If you shoot in either 12-bit lossless compressed or 14-bit lossless compressed, PN can open the images. For the other formats (lossy compressed or uncompressed), you can convert to DNG and PN can work with that. "
A complete new version is coming.
"I've been slow to address these in V1.3.X because I'm completely immersed in the V2.0 project. I actually have all the formats for the Z6/Z7 working in the V2.0 code base but can't easily migrate it to the V1.X code base."
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Thats what you get when you dont update photoninja,
btw there is a new update including the Z mounts.
What is the problem here? Wrong color of the background?
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What is the problem here? Wrong color of the background?
No problem, but no true colours when you need them.
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So what's your preferred tool for PP Fons, Akira, John?
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So what's your preferred tool for PP Fons, Akira, John?
Since I switched to Fujifikm, I've been happy user of Capture One Express Fujifilm which was actually one of the main reasons for my switch.
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So what's your preferred tool for PP Fons, Akira, John?
CC is the best, if you want full control of processing your image. It helps of course if you master the layer/adjustment/masking techniques.
Photo Ninja is also strong and fast, but needs some workaround, as it is not flexible in the exact sizes for downloading your image. For Image-processing only.
And If little time, I use Irfanview, thé best quick raw-reader and processor. Quick and flexible. And for free.
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Thanks guys.
My PP needs are modest
- Crop
- Adjust levels
- Sharpen
I found CNX-2 worked well for me and found the Local Adjustments U-Point tools really useful.
But one drawback of moving to a D500 was losing access to CNX-2.
I find NX-D clunky to work with, so am looking at alternatives.
I had the CC subscription for a year but found PS overkill and hated LR
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Thanks guys.
My PP needs are modest
- Crop
- Adjust levels
- Sharpen
I found CNX-2 worked well for me and found the Local Adjustments U-Point tools really useful.
But one drawback of moving to a D500 was losing access to CNX-2.
I find NX-D clunky to work with, so am looking at alternatives.
I had the CC subscription for a year but found PS overkill and hated LR
Colin, your situation coincides almost perfectly with mine. I had never been in need of layers even while I was using CC. I had just found that Photoshop Elements lacked some parameters of the RAW converter.
The last software I used with D750 was CNX-D and I didn't necessarily find all that different from CNX-2, although I do find that using C1 is far more intuitive. And C1 Express Fujifilm is free! Also Sony shooters can use C1 Express Sony.
The X-trans sensor has sometimes been criticized for its "wormy artifact", but I haven't encountered any. I haven't used any software other than C1.
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It all depends on your needs, indeed.
To clarify, basically I use Irfanview, were most people use lightroom (as a kind of catalogue too) and send the files to the different processors.
In CC I use then mainly Camera-Raw and some fine-tunings later in CC.
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The only "special" thing I do is pano stitching. I used Photomerge in CC and I thought I would miss CC for that. But it turned out that Image Composite Editor (free stitching software from Microsoft) worked great.
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The only "special" thing I do is pano stitching. I used Photomerge in CC and I thought I would miss CC for that. But it turned out that Image Composite Editor (free stitching software from Microsoft) worked great.
But does ICE read NEF's?
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I mainly use photoshop the ability to use more layers for instance.
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Since I switched to Fujifikm, I've been happy user of Capture One Express Fujifilm which was actually one of the main reasons for my switch.
Capture One is an excellent processor. It has layers and luminosity masking. It produces outstanding results from X-Trans files, unlike Adobe.
I have been revisiting some of my Nikon images, and obtaining noticeably improved results in C1.
But for ultimate image editing, Photoshop remains king.
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But does ICE read NEF's?
Unfortunately, no. It reads only JPEG, TIFF and PSD/PSB formats.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/product/computational-photography-applications/image-composite-editor/
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Unfortunately, no. It reads only JPEG, TIFF and PSD/PSB formats.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/product/computational-photography-applications/image-composite-editor/
Thanks Akira for confirming!!
That makes it one extra step for me, CC is faster in that case. Or do you think it's worth the extra step converting the files? Is a DNG file compatible by the way?
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Capture One is an excellent processor. It has layers and luminosity masking. It produces outstanding results from X-Trans files, unlike Adobe.
I have been revisiting some of my Nikon images, and obtaining noticeably improved results in C1.
But for ultimate image editing, Photoshop remains king.
The free "Express" version doesn't offer layers or masks, but I haven't really been in need of them. The absence of AA filter in the camera even eliminates the need for sharpening.
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Thanks Akira for confirming!!
That makes it one extra step for me, CC is faster in that case. Or do you think it's worth the extra step converting the files? Is a DNG file compatible by the way?
You are welcome. Yes, the necessity to convert raw to tiff (in my case) adds an extra step. But it is tolerable for a hobby photographer. :)
The ICE only reads JPEG, TIFF and PSD/PSB formats, no DNG. I convert the RAW to 16 bit TIFF, apply the film simulation of flatter curve and correct the CA during the process. After stitching and trimming, I edit the color and exposure.
When I tried ICE some years ago, it stitched terribly. Almost all the seams were misaligned. But, after I switched to Fujifilm/C1 system, I found Tony Northrup of the YouTuber pair "Tony & Chelsea" saying that ICE stitches better than Photomerge. I was very skeptical but gave it a second try. I was happily amazed by how much its stitch was improved.
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There are many choices for PP software, and it just wouldn't be realistic to expect any particular one to everyone's favorite. Ps & Lr CC serve me well enough that I don't ned to look for others. Although I do have other editors that I got on the advice of other people, I don't use them. That possibly says more about me than it does about those idle editors, but for me they were a waste of time, disk space, and in some cases, money as well.
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The absence of AA filter in the camera even eliminates the need for sharpening.
That is also my experience.
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I've just installed it to see how it handles my Df files. The user interface looks well structured. The lens profiles are not so many (only recent lenses; Zeiss for Canon is there but equivalents for Nikon may be missing...), but I have to admit that my line-up is not really "mainstream".
Otherwise, some good "auto" guesses and useful presets. The workflow is a bit remindful of DxO which I used in the past, so I am not overly fooled.
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I got Photo Ninja in 2013 when my newly acquired Fujifilm X-Trans camera was delivering mushy fine picture detail through the Adobe raw converter. It remains useful for that purpose.
If one only needs a raw converter with only global adjustments, PN is nice and simple and has an pleasant, attractive default conversion "look", analogous to Capture One. It's "Detail" slider is a unique in the world of midtone contrast enhancements.
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PN has a very useful batch feature, and a rudimentary File Manager that I for one use extensively. PN at least last version(s) access network shares very slowly, however.
Its generic handling of RAW files implies it can deal with "unknown" cameras, although colours might be off. Easily corrected with a ColorChecker shot, though. In fact, the very old version 1.25 (from 2014 I think) process Z6 and Z7 NEFs without any problem. (i did install this version to test whether PN runs in Linux, which it does flawlessly).
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Ps & Lr CC serve me well enough that I don't ned to look for others.
I had Lightroom 6 and, a few months ago, went looking for alternatives to avoid a subscription to CC. It surprised me how many programs I would need to replace what Lightroom does for me. One to organise and browse, another for renaming batches of files, a raw converter and then something for local adjustments. Then I realised that the last one had better have some means of sharpening the output or I would have to learn to do that myself.
I made peace with subscribing to CC and am looking forward to figuring out Photoshop as time permits.
That said, Photo Ninja impressed me for the same reason it impressed Keith: very pleasant default rendering and a simple workflow.
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I had Lightroom 6 and, a few months ago, went looking for alternatives to avoid a subscription to CC. It surprised me how many programs I would need to replace what Lightroom does for me. One to organise and browse, another for renaming batches of files, a raw converter and then something for local adjustments. Then I realised that the last one had better have some means of sharpening the output or I would have to learn to do that myself.
I made peace with subscribing to CC and am looking forward to figuring out Photoshop as time permits.
That said, Photo Ninja impressed me for the same reason it impressed Carl: very pleasant default rendering and a simple workflow.
I have tried, although not always successfully , to stay out of the arguments about the evils of subscribing to Adobe products. It works for me, and if others choose to use other editors, more power to 'em! ;)
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Which ever software you choose it is mostly a problem of familiarity with a particular product! Whilst being no expert I find Lroom works well for me!
My problem at the moment is that my NEF files keep wanting to open in PNinja, so far I can’t figure out how to make Lightroom the default option! Annoying.
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Since I switched to Fujifikm, I've been happy user of Capture One Express Fujifilm which was actually one of the main reasons for my switch.
I thought you are a SIGMA FP shooter???
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Which ever software you choose it is mostly a problem of familiarity with a particular product! Whilst being no expert I find Lroom works well for me!
My problem at the moment is that my NEF files keep wanting to open in PNinja, so far I can’t figure out how to make Lightroom the default option! Annoying.
Mike, if you use Windows, you can change the default program to open the file by right-clicking an NEF file and change the program at the top of the first tab. If you are on MacOS, you should be able to do the same thing but unfortunately I forgot how to do that. ::) :o ::) :o
I thought you are a SIGMA FP shooter???
Frank, yes, I am. This old thread was initiated when I was using Fuji.
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Mike, You are using a Mac if I remember correctly. Here's how it works on my Mac:
Connect the memory device (camera or card).
Open Image Capture.
Way down at the bottom left is a drop down that allows you to specify which app---or no app---to open when "this device" is connected.
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Quick note here: the latest version of ICE now reads NEF.
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Quick note here: the latest version of ICE now reads NEF.
Which version is that? Do you perhaps have a link?
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Quick note here: the latest version of ICE now reads NEF.
Thanks, I did not know it could read raw files, just tested on some D500 files and it worked very well. Considering that D500 was released after the latest version, perhaps there are some updates not reflected in the date displayed? The one I have is ver. 2.0.3.0 from 2015-02-24 and appears to be the latest one (Google is you friend). https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/product/computational-photography-applications/image-composite-editor/ (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/product/computational-photography-applications/image-composite-editor/)
It is self-updating so any download should get the latest one.
Second thought: I do have a 2017 version of Nikon Nef Codec installed, so may be that is what is used for the raw conversion? In that case it should give results very close to the Nikon software.
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Second thought: I do have a 2017 version of Nikon Nef Codec installed, so may be that is what is used for the raw conversion? In that case it should give results very close to the Nikon software.
Thanks.
Installed the Codec on W7 and W10 machine, restarted and it did recognize the NEF's. The W10 works also very fast. I guess with the W7 there are more problems.