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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Michael Erlewine on July 01, 2019, 19:07:29
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I received the TechArt adapter and I have the Voigtlander 110mm APO Macro Sony E-Mount and the Voitlander 65mm APO Macro in Sony E-Mount. However, the problem that appears, using either of these lenses and the adapter on the Z7, is that the image I see in the Live View or EVF seems the right lighting, but when I click the shutter, the resulting image is VERY much over exposed. So, in order to get a properly exposed image I have to try and see in the EVF or Live View and focus a VERY dark image to get a resulting properly exposed image. Any ideas or similar experiences. And this is a major PITA.
Unless there is a work-around, this is a major disappointment. I have hoped to have a what-you-see-is-what-you-get experience with this adapter and these Voigtlander Son--E-Mount lenses.
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I am sorry to hear the adapter does not work properly.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Much appreciated: This adapter was high on my list but I will wait with ordering one.
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On closer examination, the adapter (for some reason) is not allowing the lens to stop down to take the actual shot after focusing wider open. Any ideas how to fix that?
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Perhaps the lens needs to be set to its minimum aperture?
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Could it be that it requires an electronic aperture?
Reading the specification it does not support Samyang lenses, maybe they don’t support really manual lenses?
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Perhaps the lens needs to be set to its minimum aperture?
It looks like I have to set the aperture in the camera and work that way. It's not a big problem, but a little one. LOL.
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Aha. Like any AF/AFS Nikkor on the FTZ then ....
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Michael, sorry about your problem, but it seems to be one of the "known bugs":
http://techartpro.com/bugs/
...and you would have to set the aperture manually with the aperture ring on the lens.
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Michael, sorry about your problem, but it seems to be one of the "known bugs":
http://techartpro.com/bugs/
...and you would have to set the aperture manually with the aperture ring on the lens.
I understand. It was a momentary misunderstanding on my part. It looks OK. This with the Sony 65mm APO Macro A rose, finishing up.
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at least it works like a spot meter now :o :o :o
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At least Techart have admitted to these issues, so hopefully will be in a position to remedy them.
Michael, have you had a chance yet to try out your 110mm Voigtlaender on your Z7? I will be curious to see how the newcomer compares with the 125mm.
Michael, sorry about your problem, but it seems to be one of the "known bugs":
http://techartpro.com/bugs/
...and you would have to set the aperture manually with the aperture ring on the lens.
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I am working on the 110mm APO Sony-E. At first glance, it is not as effective as the 65mm APO Sony-E, but that may be the stiffness of the helicoid. I have grand kids here now, but tomorrow I will check it out. My first try with the 110mm was not very good. Will post here as soon as I have a better chance to see how it's doing.
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They haven't shipped mine yet with the following explanation:
I just checked with our Shipping Dept. they said we got the notify from Techart on June 25th.. Techart explained the lens dock which included for firmware upgrading is a little too tight. so Techart was planing to improve it and re-made the lens dock. all the adapters we have in stock need be returned back to Techart. they improved it and then we can ship the item.
It's a new awesome product. Techart just want to make sure it's in 100% perferct condition. Hope you understand.
Techart just completely the upgraded and they'll ship the latest version to us today. So we can ship your orde tomorrow (or next day at latest).
So Michael, how's your firmware dock?
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They haven't shipped mine yet with the following explanation:
I just checked with our Shipping Dept. they said we got the notify from Techart on June 25th.. Techart explained the lens dock which included for firmware upgrading is a little too tight. so Techart was planing to improve it and re-made the lens dock. all the adapters we have in stock need be returned back to Techart. they improved it and then we can ship the item.
It's a new awesome product. Techart just want to make sure it's in 100% perferct condition. Hope you understand.
Techart just completely the upgraded and they'll ship the latest version to us today. So we can ship your orde tomorrow (or next day at latest).
So Michael, how's your firmware dock?
I have not messed with it. There is no firmware update that I know of. I am still just figuring out how to get the most out of the adapter. Will check it.
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The Voigtlander 110mm and 65mm APO Macros on the Nikon Z7 Camera
I’m a big fan of the Voigtlander APO lenses and have been for years. I was sad that Zeiss forbid them to keep making the Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar when they moved to Japan. It looks like that stricture is breaking up or at least bending with the advent of the Voigtlander 110mm and 65mm APO Macros in Sony E-Mount.
With my first look at the TZE-01 adapter from TechArt, I find the TZE-01 adapter easy to take on and off, so no “frozen-on” that some adapters show, where I have to take a pair of wide-pliers to gently get the adapter off.
I tested the TZE-01 with both the Voigtlander 65mm APO Macro and the Voigtlander 110mm APO Macro. The reviews I have read on these lenses praise the 110mm more than the 65mm, but I’m funny in what I like. First, I like a slightly wider macro lens and 65mm suits me fine.
They say the focus throw for both lenses is comparable, but I am only (or mostly) interested in the close-up and near macro range. For that, the 65mm macro has a focus throw of about 325 degrees, taking perhaps the last 50 degrees for the 2-meter distance and out.
As for the 110mm lens, it has about 250 degrees for the distance from 1:1 to 1:2, so for my purposes it has a more limited focus throw and it shows. I am used to a long focus through like the Voigtlander 125mm APO-Lanthar (630-degrees) and the Leical 100mm Elmarit-R (720 degrees) lenses. Compared to these classic lenses, the focus throw of new Voigtlander 110mm and 65mm APO lenses are a bit shorter than I like. Of the two new ones, the 65mm focus-throw does not bother me, but the 110mm is just enough shorter to make life more difficult than they would have had to. For close-up work I need a longer focus throw, although I try to make do.
Both lenses have 10-blades, not the best, but for me not a real problem. The 110mm lens goes 1:1, while the 65mm lens goes 1:2. I seldom work 1:1, so the wider range of the 65mm is just fine with me.
Neither of these lenses is up to what if find as the best for my work, lenses like:
APO EL Nikkor 105mm f/5.6
Schneider Macro-Varon 85mm f/4.5
Printing Nikkors (95mm, 105mm, and 150mm)
Nikkor “O” CRT lens 55mm f/1.2
Hartblei Superrotator Macro 120mm f/4 T/S
and others.
These new Voigtlanders are in the category of the Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 125mm f/2.5, but I prefer the 9-blades of the CV-125 to the new 65mm and 110mm with their 10-blades. The CV-125 APO Lanthar is a magic lens, IMO. These three Voigtlanders (like the CV-125) produce more artifacts when stacked than I like, but they clean up pretty well. I see the two new Voigtlanders (110mm and 65mm) as a good bet for non-studio work, shooting outside in the field, etc.
Right now, I am being a little hard on the 110mm and the 65mm APOs, to see if I will really use them. I probably will. The TZE-01 is so small that it’s almost like they were made for the Nikon Z7. I have a TZE-01 for each of them, so I won’t be doing a lot of taking the adapters on and off.
I may find I want to use these two lenses on a focus rail to get a smoother result when stacking focus, as I do.
I hate to do that because the focus rail is not the best for the stacking software, but will check it out anyway.
Here are a few quick images taken with the CV-65 APO Macro. Still not happy with the 100mm... yet.
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Thank you for sharing. The techart seems to be an option indeed.
Did you also try the Zeiss Batis lenses?
Btw: inspiring photos (as always!)
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Thank you for sharing. The techart seems to be an option indeed.
Did you also try the Zeiss Batis lenses?
Btw: inspiring photos (as always!)
I don't have any more Sony E-Mount lenses than that.
My Zeiss are all F-Mount
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The Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 110mm f/2.5 for Sony E-Mount
I have checked out the second Macro APO-Lanthar, this time the 110mm f/2.5 Lens for the Sony-E Mount, but on the TZE-01 adapter for the Nikon Z7. In the previous blog, I worked with the 65mm f/2 lens and found it very useful for my work, which is close-up stacking of images.
I am not as happy with the 110mm, for a couple of reasons, which may not affect most readers here, especially if you don’t stack focus.
Both the 65mm and the 110mm Voigtlander APO-Lanthars are about the same size, and they are external focus, so they hang way out there on the Nikon Z7 and the TZE-01 adapter. This is not SO bad if you are taking a single shot photo. Yet, for stacking, where I may have to take 150-250 images (or less or more), that overhanging lens is very hard to keep stationary. And the 110mm weighs 771 grams (1.78 lb.), while the 65mm weights 625 grams (1.4 lbs.). that 146 grams difference actually makes a difference in this case and for my work.
I usually use as a tripod head the geared Arca-Swiss C1 Cube. However, the C1 Cube is a little spongy because of the manual knob that allows the whole head to swing open 90-degrees. That knob has a little give to it. And so, given the long extension of the 110mm and the extra weight (146 grams), plus the helicoid on the 110mm is “stiffer” than the helicoid on the 65mm, the effort to turn the helicoid moves the lens more than it otherwise should, IMO. It’s no fun if you are doing many layers of images.
So, I went to the most steady tripod head I know of which is the Burzynski “Protec,” which as lens-master Bjørn Rørslett says “It simply defines what “dead solid” is all about.” Using the Burzynski helped a lot, but I still have to say that for complex focus stacking, the Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 110mm lens may not be for me. I can make it work, but my guess is that I may call on other lenses more often than choose it.
So, there you have it. I like and can use the Voigtlander Macro APO-Lanthar 65mm lens, but have my doubts (and gave reasons) why the 110mm is probably a bridge too far as for stability in stacking images. It is just not steady enough because of weight, overhang-stress on the adapter, and stiffness of the helicoid, plus the focus throw is not (IMO) as long as I like them.
That aside, it is my best judgment, after examining the 110 APO-Lanthar that this lens is a step above in quality of the image from the legendary CV-125 (Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 125mm) lens. And so, I will be keeping it, but using it a little sparingly perhaps. This is an exquisite lens and I would recommend it.
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Gorgeous images, Michael!
I wonder if you had the same problem with the older 125mm as with the new 110mm. Also, I wonder if an attached focus lever would mitigate the problem?
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Gorgeous images, Michael!
I wonder if you had the same problem with the older 125mm as with the new 110mm. Also, I wonder if an attached focus lever would mitigate the problem?
Focus lever would not change things. Don't have the problem with the CV125 because it is on the FTZ adapter which is stronger overall.
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The Nikon Z7 with the Sony-E version of the Voigtlander Macro APO-Lanthar f/2.5 with the TZE-01 adapter.
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So inspiring and gorgeous!
How many photos did you take for this stack (I assume it is a stacked photo)?
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So inspiring and gorgeous!
How many photos did you take for this stack (I assume it is a stacked photo)?
42 layers
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42 layers
Thank you. An impressive number. May I also ask which software you used and which method you used?
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Thank you. An impressive number. May I also ask which software you used and which method you used?
Zerene Stacker, both methods, with DMap as base and PMax to overlay. Then retouching.
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Zerene Stacker, both methods, with DMap as base and PMax to overlay. Then retouching.
Thank you. I always thought one has to choose.
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Nikon Z7, TechArt TZE-01 adapter, Voigtlander 65mm for Sony E-Mount
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Apparently, the TechArt now works?
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Apparently, the TechArt now works?
It does. It fits well, is almost invisible in size, and opens the door for many other lenses. The Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 65mm and 110mm macro are very fine lenses that otherwise I would not have been able to use without a Sony mirrorless camera, which I am not that fond of.
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Michael, you write that the CV110 is a step above the CV125. Could you please elaborate on that? Is it sharpness? micro-contrast? bokeh? all? BTW: I find the sharpness of your CV110 photos astounding.
How do you compare this lens to the Zeiss 135mm APO lens from an IQ standpoint? I am thinking about starting a "flowers project" and was thinking about using the Zeiss lens and the Nikon 60mm for macro. But the CV110 seems to be an attractive alternative except for the stability issue you mention.
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Michael, you write that the CV110 is a step above the CV125. Could you please elaborate on that? Is it sharpness? micro-contrast? bokeh? all? BTW: I find the sharpness of your CV110 photos astounding.
How do you compare this lens to the Zeiss 135mm APO lens from an IQ standpoint? I am thinking about starting a "flowers project" and was thinking about using the Zeiss lens and the Nikon 60mm for macro. But the CV110 seems to be an attractive alternative except for the stability issue you mention.
All of the above. I just get the sense that the CV-110 is all-around a little better. The Zeiss 135mm APO (I call it the Otus 135) is about as sharp as things get. However, it is heavy and not really perfect for close-up, which is what I do.
I like (and favor) the CV-65 macro APO-Lanthar more "magical" than the CV=110, but both lenses are really great for close-up work.
The CV-110 is a tad sharper, but the CV-65 is not slouch either. Here is an image with the CV-65.
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Wonderful. Thank you.