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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: paullgj on November 27, 2017, 21:35:37
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Been posting everywhere - and I'm really stumped as "what to take"? Will be spending the months of July and August photographing traditional highland Mayan festivals in Guatemala - ethnographic photography. Just received a 24-120 for my D700 - excellent IQ and the range I want. Too big and obvious! Lots of petty crime and best not to be too obvious - one camera, and maybe one or two lenses. I've attached an image from the "old Days" (about 15 yrs. ago - film) - Nikon FE2 and 85 mm AI lens. Can't do that today. So I'm left with a number of options and really don't know where to go:
1. D7500 and 18-140 lens and call it a day. Still a little big and obvious. How is the IQ on the 18-140 in terms of color and acuity?
2. Fuji - an XT20 body and two primes, probably 28 mm and 56 mm. Getting expensive.
3. M 4/3 - already have an ancient Panasonic GX1 and a 20 mm prime. Small, fiddly, and I'm always hitting the wrong button. But it works - add a 45 mm prime? Right now there's a sale - a new Panny G85 and a slow 12-60 kit lens. Might not give me the subject isolation I want and don't know about the IQ.
4. Quit worrying and get a Sony RX100 V camera and call it a day.
Right now I'm leaning towards options #1 and #4. Would appreciate any suggestions. My budget - about $1,000.
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On option #1 ... do you already have the D7500? A variation on this could be a D5xxx camera, which is smaller than the D7500 (and a more versatile swivelling screen). You could also consider the 18-105 instead of the 18-140 as it is slightly smaller (but not by much). Overall that would give you a more discrete package. Cover the camera and lens with strategically placed pieces of tape to make them look like they are nearly falling apart, might deter some thieves...? :)
If you are considering primes with the XT20, why not the Nikon AFS 28/1.8 and 50/1.8? Maybe add a compact 18-55 kit zoom to give you some flexibility, the aperture is slow but they are pretty sharp.
Before I go into the other options, it's probably best if you clarify what you want. For example, do you prefer shooting with zooms or primes?
Is subject isolation is important? If so, that leans towards the larger formats and faster lenses (primes).
Will you be shooting in poor light? Again, faster lenses will be useful.
Will there be a lot of subject motion? Mirrorless cameras are less good at tracking motion although they are much better than they used to be, but mirrorless are very accurate for static subjects.
If you prefer a more compact system, then m4/3 are a good option. I think the IQ here is perfectly good for most purposes, unless you need to shoot at higher ISO, which is where the larger formats are better.
And so on... I think all are capable systems. Look at your requirements and preferences, you should be able to answer most questions yourself, because everyone else will give you a different answer ... :)
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Hi Roland,
Thanks for responding. OK, here's the details. First, as far as the camera is concerned, I'm a technological illiterate. I thought the FE2 was "high tech"! Shoot A-priority, and adjust everything on-camera, minimum of menu-diving. I do shoot RAW and adjust in ACR, especially shadows-highlights.
Output - 11 x 14 or 12 x 18 prints for local galleries or shows relating to Mesoamerican art. I don't need extreme creamy bokeh, but I do need some subject isolation to separate the subject from the background.
OK, have a lot of Nikon primes 24 to 200 mm, none are AFS, but either AFD or AI/AIS. That's why I was thinking either D7200 or D7500 (won't meter with AIS). The Fuji caught my attention, but it would be very expensive to go a new body and new primes.
Another idea is to rent a DF with a 24-85, try it on the street here in South Texas, as see how that works out. One thing for sure about Central America, the less obvious the equipment, the better. Last time I went I just took a diminutive Panasonic LX7 p & s, went into isolated communities and was never even noticed. The images, however, lacked the acuity for large print gallery display.
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The Df with AiS primes is very compact. The old primes work well with the Df.
The Df price is high unless you can find it second hand.
/Bent
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I was immediately thinking: Df for him and his lens park. The camera is cheap now. New as well as used. You might want a replacement focussing screen for her to better manual focus
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If the 24-120 on the D700 is the right range and the right performance, the D7200 plus the 16-80 would be the smaller and lighter equivalent. If the 16-80 is too expensive the older 16-85 is very close in performance, although you lose some speed and subject isolation.
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If the 16-80 is too expensive the older 16-85 is very close in performance, although you lose some speed and subject isolation.
A friend owns the AF-S DX NIKKOR 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR and I can vouch for it. I've shot with it and I've done post processing for her. If the 16-80/2.8-4.0 wouldn't need to be better to please me. The extra speed especially at 80mm would be welcome.
The 16-85/3.5-5.6 ED VR DX isn't bad close up. The camera was her Nikon D300. My friend tried to brush the little green thing off the rose. She's in a wheelchair so she couldn't reach it. :) I did some burning in of the antenna by using the shadow setting in Photoshop. I did selective sharpening. It's a David Austin rose. I don't know the species of mantis.
Dave
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Df recommended but rare to find secondhand.
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Df recommended but rare to find secondhand.
lots of these on ebay
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You want to Zoom obviously and you want to exchange lenses. If you could reduce to one great prime with one great sensor you might instead get a X100 revision t or f
it offers superb image quality in a very small package. you only need replacement batteries on the road.
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,,,,,,, Just received a 24-120 for my D700 - excellent IQ and the range I want. .........
My budget - about $1,000.
No need to get anything else!!! Be, act and dress discrete.
Have a party and enjoy instead of overthinking problems.
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I´m with Erik. Use what you have. For 1000€ you can replace both if anything else -or throw a party, not bad either ;D- and the d700 can go anywhere...
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With the D700 you will be able to defend yourself ;)
I will second Erik
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No need to get anything else!!! Be, act and dress discrete.
Have a party and enjoy instead of overthinking problems.
I second Erik. But if you are bit by shutterbug most likely you will end up buying another camera/lens anyway. :D
You can also add Ricoh GR to option#4. You will be amazed what this little camera can do.
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If the 24-120 on the D700 is the right range and the right performance, the D7200 plus the 16-80 would be the smaller and lighter equivalent. If the 16-80 is too expensive the older 16-85 is very close in performance, although you lose some speed and subject isolation.
It may be a matter of sample variation, but although my 16-85 is decent (and I really like having the wide end) my wife's 18-140 is visibly sharper, and the size difference is not that great.
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A few years late, but a reply to my own thread - I just ordered a D7500 LN- from KEH - $756 incl. tax and shipping. Cost wise it was a no brainer for me - I have the DX lenses and FX primes, plus flashes. Didn't want to go the Z route with adapter and/or new lenses, plus learning curve. Hopefully I'll be heading out to the Peten in Guatemala May of 2023 and the western highlands (Dia de Todos los Santos) November 2023. My D700 is fine, but a little big, heavy, and no video. Probably my gear will be D7500, on zoom (either 16-85 or 18-200) and one prime.
Admin: A 0 has been added for clarity; D7500
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Sorry, it is not clear if you got a d750 or d7500... The former, with fx sensor size has amazing output. If the d7500 has the same output as the d500, it is top notch dx.
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Sorry - typo - it's a D7500. Several reasons, in addition to the lenses, why I went this route instead of Z50. The D7500 has the wired remote release, top LCD plate, and my existing Nikon flashes work without glitches. Yes, I did consider a Z5 with 24-200 lens (on sale right now), but adding cards, flash, etc. jumps the price way over $2,000, plus the learning curve et al.
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lots of these on ebay
Lots of Dfs on eBay, but the cheapest one is 1500€ so it's off-budget. The Zfc instead can be found around 750€.
BTW, A Df (and a Zfc) will be seen as an obsolete camera (less likely to get robbed of one). Many people ask me why do I still use a film camera when they see me shooting with either one... ;D ;)
Ciao from Massimo
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It's been a while since I posted on this, but in the mean time my 16-85 let me down on a trip to Bhutan, with an intermittent aperture problem, and I replaced it with a 16-80, which I like a good bit more - sharper and less prone to fogging, which was also a problem on my 16-85 in humid Cambodia. The 16-85 was a nice package in size and range, but the 16-80 is faster and sharper. The 16-85 was OK, but the 16-80 and 18-140 both beat it handily on sharpness.
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... Lots of petty crime and best not to be too obvious - one camera, and maybe one or two lenses. ...
And some not-so-petty crime unfortunately. We visited Petén in 2018, flew into Flores and went to Tikal and Uatactun from there. I left the big gear at home and carried only a Sony A6000 and Sigma 19, 30 and 60mm f2.8's.
The Sony is a miserable camera to use but it does make a discrete package. I'm not suggesting that an APS-C camera like the Sony would meet your IQ needs, but perhaps having a second, smaller camera available would let take pix in "tense" circumstances that you would otherwise miss out on.
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Mate, just keep smiling and enjoy that D4 sensor!
Lots of Dfs on eBay, but the cheapest one is 1500€ so it's off-budget. The Zfc instead can be found around 750€.
BTW, A Df (and a Zfc) will be seen as an obsolete camera (less likely to get robbed of one). Many people ask me why do I still use a film camera when they see me shooting with either one... ;D ;)
Ciao from Massimo
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Mate, just keep smiling and enjoy that D4 sensor!
Yes, I happily keep shooting (183K actuations on the Df, 10K actuations in 8 months with the Zfc), what I wrote was meant towards potential robbers, they will see my little jewels as worthless items and leave me alone ;) ;) ;)
Ciao from Massimo
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if 24-120mm is the FL range you want for the D700, I suggest the AF-S 16-80mm f/2.8-4 + D7200 as crop camera travel combo. It has been the cardinal travel set for me during several years. At the risk of causing uproar I mention that there are well founded reasons to expect higher image quality from the D7200 than from the significantly older D700. Several others have also proposed this lens here. It matches the very important 24mm equivalent wide end. I judge the sharpness across the frame as more satisfactory than with the crop 18-140mm lens or the AF-S 24-85mm FX lens on FX body, which I have both tested. D7200 has the same AF module as the D7500 yet offers 24 Mpixels instead of the 20 for the D7500. AS older model the D7200 may come cheaper at Ebay. Flare resistance of the 16-80mm is quite excellent. The camera+lens looks significantly less impressive if you leave the lens hood at home. -- If this is too much camera, for example allowed in a museum, I regretfully fall back to a RX100 camera with its 24-70 equivalent FL range.