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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: CardBoardBoxProcessor on June 23, 2017, 02:15:28
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I just did some testing of my old lenses. I previously had a Tamron G1 24-70mm F/2.8. The croner sharpness drop off was sort of noticeable but I mainly ditched it as I rarely used anything but 24mm. So I got a Sigma 20, Nikkor-PC 28mm, Nikkor-PC 35mm Nikkor 50mm f/1.2. All quite nice and sharp. and small! easy to keep and bring anywhere while mostly using the Sigma.
However I recently decided to try this cheap 35-70mm f/2.8 D out and it si pretty amazing. It is sharper centrally than the Primes and edges are not much less sharp than the primes. And its drop off is only the far edges.
Are there any other cheaper old zooms that hold up as well? For example how nice is the 20-35mm F2.8D? Might it compliment this 35-70 quite well? Mostly do landscapes. Opinions?
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the Tokina 28-70 was pretty good for it's time. when I was still doing paid stuff that was the lens that I used the most :o :o :o
the 35-70 is also pretty good like hwat you just found out.
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I tried a 35-70/2.8. I really loved a lot about it. However, it had a severe issue at f/5.6 where everything was blurry. Not sure why that happened, but I don't know enough about lenses to fix it myself so got rid of it.
Otherwise, it does quite well, even wide open given what it is.
I've used quite a few other legacy lenses.
The 35-135/3.5-4.5 is a very good lens with an excellent range. I've also had the pleasure of using the 70-210/4-5.6. It worked decently as well.
My 2 favorite wide to medium lenses are the 28-85/3.5-4.5 and the 28-105/3.5-4.5.
Right now, my Df is loving the 28-105 and the Nikon 80-200/4.5-5.6D. The 80-200 has a plastic mount, but for the price I paid, the optic is excellent and the weight is very low for the range.
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The best middle zoom what I had in the past, was Tokina 28-70 f2.6-2.8 ATX PRO II, copy of the famous Angenieux made zoom. Very rare, so hard to find in good condition, this one was ahead of its time. So this one is what I may recommend, without second thinking. Just pay attention: F2.6-2.8 28-70 ATX PRO II version, not the PRO I or SV versions! Good luck! LZ
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I really liked my 20-35 2.8 on film, but I've never tried it on my DX bodies.
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The best middle zoom what I had in the past, was Tokina 28-70 f2.6-2.8 ATX PRO II, copy of the famous Angenieux made zoom. Very rare, so hard to find in good condition, this one was ahead of its time. So this one is what I may recommend, without second thinking. Just pay attention: F2.6-2.8 28-70 ATX PRO II version, not the PRO I or SV versions! Good luck! LZ
The Angenieux is indeed in a class of it's own when it comes to lens character. John Geerts, who frequents this forum as well, uses one.
The Tokina is based off the Angenieux design, but is not an exact clone. It lacks a bit of punch wide open, compared to the manual lens. It's still nice though, and does show up on ebay quite frequently. Was offered with a threaded lens hood at first, bayonet style lens hood later. In Europe they are listed as f2,6-f2,8 but in Japan as f2,8 only. They sell for around $350'ish. As hinted at by longzoom, there is quite a bit of confusion in the Tokina 28-70mm lens range, so be aware to pick the right version if you decide against the original Angenieux or the manual Nikkor
Another really nice lens in this range is the Nikon 35-70 f3,5 Ai (with 62mm filter thread)
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the 28-70 was very useful to me :o :o :o
only focuses down to .7m but i don't mind.
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If not the f2.8 lens, the real best among Nikkors is the 28-70 f3.5-4.5 AF-D, from very last series ##, 32....... and up, as its cleared by Roland. Take a look at the previous post down there. The old pro 35-70 AI f3.5 is good one, but MF is not for me today. LZ
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I just did some testing of my old lenses. I previously had a Tamron G1 24-70mm F/2.8. The croner sharpness drop off was sort of noticeable but I mainly ditched it as I rarely used anything but 24mm. So I got a Sigma 20, Nikkor-PC 28mm, Nikkor-PC 35mm Nikkor 50mm f/1.2. All quite nice and sharp. and small! easy to keep and bring anywhere while mostly using the Sigma.
However I recently decided to try this cheap 35-70mm f/2.8 D out and it si pretty amazing. It is sharper centrally than the Primes and edges are not much less sharp than the primes. And its drop off is only the far edges.
Are there any other cheaper old zooms that hold up as well? For example how nice is the 20-35mm F2.8D? Might it compliment this 35-70 quite well? Mostly do landscapes. Opinions?
I used and tested a lot of zooms within that range as it is a useful and sometimes necessary combination in my line of work.
There is a lot of sample variation with the 35-70/2.8 Earlier versions may develop 'fog' or 'haze' due to incorrectly glued glass elements. This was fixed in later versions. The last batch of the 35-70/2.8 AF-D which were made after 1995 are the best. Production stopped in 2005. If you can find a late mint sample it is a top class lens: Very sharp and neutral, natural colours. It's relatively small size compared with the later 24-28-70 versions is a great bonus.
The Angenieux is unique in rendering, both with light, colours and bokeh, but not really a cheap zoom.
For landscape and architecture the Nikkor 35-70/3.5 Ai (72mm) is very good choice, pretty cheap (around +100 euro) but difficult to find a good sample. Not sure if it is sample variation but I like the latest version with the circular rear protector best.
Another really nice lens in this range is the Nikon 35-70 f3,5 Ai (with 62mm filter thread)
I think that is the Ai-S version. Distant objects are not the strongest points of this lens, but closer objects and the macro capabilities are unique.
For landscape the Nikkor 25-50 f/4 is the winner. Not a cheap lens (200 euro plus), and difficult to get in Europe, most (good) samples come from the US or Japan.
The Nikkor 28-50/3.5 is also a good versatile lens, very compact.
If you want wider the Nikkor 17-35/2.8 AF-S is hard to beat, but that is not a cheap lens.
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I just found a somewhat shabby and fungus-blotched Tokina 28-70 (the original 2.8 not the Angenieux version, of course) in a bargain shelf for $5, so bought it despite the fungus. Couldn't resist. At 2.8 it's not much to write home about, and I suspect that the fungus is decreasing contrast, but at 5.6 it's surprisingly sharp. The AF is accurate and not too sluggish, and all in all, I suspect a good sample of it would be quite nice to use.
Alas, I think the fungus is going to be the death of it, and I'm not up to disassembling it, but I might leave it on a windowsill for a while.
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for some reason, i find that the Tokina 28-70 and Nikon 35-70 prone to haze and fungi on the middle elements closest to the iris :o :o :o
you see those problems in the majority of the lenses being sold here in Japan and elsewhere that it is more than just a coincidence. in fact, mine had haze too. this was from many years ago.
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Was offered with a threaded lens hood at first, bayonet style lens hood later. In Europe they are listed as f2,6-f2,8 but in Japan as f2,8 only. They sell for around $350'ish. As hinted at by longzoom, there is quite a bit of confusion in the Tokina 28-70mm lens range, so be aware to pick the right version if you decide against the original Angenieux or the manual Nikkor
If I could get $350 for my Tokina 28-70mm f/2.6~2.8 (second version), I'd sell it in a heartbeat. Even on film, my copy suffered from mushy corners at the shorter focal lengths. I think that $225-$275 is a more realistic price. It's one of my least used lenses in F-mount. Perhaps if I did more even photography, I'd use an f/2.8 mid-range zoom more often. But I prefer a wider range for unplanned "freestyle" shooting. When I do pack my 17-35mm and 70-200mm f/2.8 zooms, I'll typically "fill the gap" with a 50mm instead.
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I did some event photography recently, and will be doing some more in the near future, but that still doesn't quite prompt me to fill, as you say, the gap. I do indeed agree that a wide and a tele lens cover the more interesting and important aspects. If I had the funds, I would pick up a cheap, used D800 and a 120-300 to go with another D800 and Sigma 35. Pocket the 16mm Fish eye and an 85mm f1,4 and there wouldn't be much to wish for.
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If I could get $350 for my Tokina 28-70mm f/2.6~2.8 (second version), I'd sell it in a heartbeat. Even on film, my copy suffered from mushy corners at the shorter focal lengths. I think that $225-$275 is a more realistic price. It's one of my least used lenses in F-mount. Perhaps if I did more even photography, I'd use an f/2.8 mid-range zoom more often. But I prefer a wider range for unplanned "freestyle" shooting. When I do pack my 17-35mm and 70-200mm f/2.8 zooms, I'll typically "fill the gap" with a 50mm instead.
Yeah, sample variations... Very sad and cruel reality of our life... LZ
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for some reason, i find that the Tokina 28-70 and Nikon 35-70 prone to haze and fungi on the middle elements closest to the iris :o :o :o
you see those problems in the majority of the lenses being sold here in Japan and elsewhere that it is more than just a coincidence. in fact, mine had haze too. this was from many years ago.
yes! I don't watch sales of the 35-70 as its a bellows type of lens but that and the 28-70 are fungus/haze prone. whenever i see an affordable 28-70 in ebay, i know its gotta have optical issues. the ones that don't are double or triple the price and make you think, 'if i'm gonna pay that much, then i'd should get a better lens instead'
I like the tokina 28-70/28-80 btw because its a rare internal focus and internal zoom lens, i don't think that there is another if-iz lens of that range by other brands. all other 28-70/24-70 extend.
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Are there any other cheaper old zooms that hold up as well? For example how nice is the 20-35mm F2.8D? Might it compliment this 35-70 quite well? Mostly do landscapes. Opinions?
I was quite fond of the 20-35mm AF-D f/2.8 Build quality is superb.
Very little distortion and ok sharp
https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=4473.msg69881#msg69881
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I agree with those who mentioned the 28-70 and 28-105, both 3.5-4.5 lenses. Very nice results. Also the old 70-210 ƒ/4. Mine is very sharp although I read there's a lot of sample variation present. These lenses are all cheap second hand.
I've found the 24-85 VR to be very useful if one can live with the distortion. It's pretty traumatic at various focal lengths. I can live with it or correct it in post so I use it often.
And for DX format, the 18-70 3.5-4.5 kit lens is really outstanding, especially when you consider how cheap it is. I like to use it with my D2Xs but it's okay with the D7100 as well.
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I'd forgotten this old thread, and don't now remember whether or not I mentioned this in some other thread, but thanks in part to Richard Haw's website, I took that old Tokina apart and cleaned most of the fungus out. The design is surprisingly easy to deal with, so if nasty looking examples are around for cheap, they might be worth looking at.
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I enjoyed the 20-35mm f/2.8. However, the range of the 24-85mm VR is more useful and the image quality is better. It focuses more closely too. The distortion is definitely traumatic, though. I let Capture One correct it automatically on import and try not to think about it.
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I still use my 35-70 f/2.8D almost daily to great affect, on either an FX or, more rarely, a Dx body. It serves me well for "street" and manages landscapes, even some infrequent portrait or macro use, adequately enough. I have been very pleased with some of my night photography, as well.
Some years ago, a nylon bearing or cam came loose necessitating sending out for repair to Nikon USA (New York). What they returned me, was effectively a refurbished lens, with entirely new lens groups which I wasn't charged for, and all for about the price of a standard clean-and-lube maintenance job. I only mention these things, because I've heard too many horror stories regarding Nikon service and repair. Like I said, they turned my $35 bargain Nikkor into a "new" lens for approximately $200 shipped -- and at a time when clean copies of these lenses were still demanding high prices at auction.