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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Peter on November 01, 2016, 18:14:48
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Love the 105 2.5 lenses I own three P, K and Ais.
I Ai modified my P lens that I picked up from a Pawn shop that couldn't give it away.
Anyone have some images from this lens?
Pete
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk237/ramseypete/AbaquieNM%202016-07%20Revise-Edited_zpsg9duedmw.jpg)
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All of the 105 mm f/2.5 Nikkors are regarded as legendary classics. Many use them on the Nikon Df, a combination which is really synergetic to both components. One could swear they were made for each other and that the designers of the 105 envisioned the arrival of the Df many years later :D
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Very nice portrait. Love the light. Love the color.
Dave Hartman
I love the 2x working distance compared to 50~55mm. The 105/2.5 Nikkor-P was my second lens back in 1971. Back then the 105/2.5 Nikkor-P was always sold out. I traded a 135/2.8 in under 24 hours after buy a PR guy's old kit witch I split up keeping only his Nikon F. I had been trying to buy a new 105/2.5 for about a year but found a clean 105/2.5 at my local camera store and grabbed it.
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All of the 105 mm f/2.5 Nikkors are regarded as legendary classics. Many use them on the Nikon Df, a combination which is really synergetic to both components. One could swear they were made for each other and that the designers of the 105 envisioned the arrival of the Df many years later :D
Bjorn,
Yeah I like the look of the Nikon Df and it's workings but it is way out of my range at this time or any time a short distance down the road.
Reason I bought the D700 as I wanted to move away from DX and it didn't break the bank, would be great if it had a metal flip up tab on the aperture ring !! ;D
If anything that I could see upgrading to is the D800 when finances allow it.
Oh Yeah I have been bit by the 105 bug something about the old 35mm Nikkor glass and the lower MP of the D700 go well together, the images sort of have that Old Kodak Transparency film look.
I know the D700 is what some call Old technology lowest Mega Pixels in the FX line along side the D3 and some may feel they are obsolete.
But it still does the job well and has decent dynamics to work with in post. I don't do low light high ISO so for me it's a good tool.
Thanks for the input Bjorn.
Pete
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Very nice portrait. Love the light. Love the color.
Dave Hartman
I love the 2x working distance compared to 50~55mm. The 105/2.5 Nikkor-P was my second lens back in 1971. Back then the 105/2.5 Nikkor-P was always sold out. I traded a 135/2.8 in under 24 hours after buy a PR guy's old kit witch I split up keeping only his Nikon F. I had been trying to buy a new 105/2.5 for about a year but found a clean 105/2.5 at my local camera store and grabbed it.
Thanks Dave..
I have never looked at my images on another monitor other than what I am using HP Pavilion 27Xi plugged in HDMI.
So the color is fine?
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The color looks good on my crummy laptop monitor, which probably means it's fine anywhere.
I have the last pre-AI iteration of the single coated P, I think, which is a long standing favorite. I don't have much on this computer to show for it, but aside from being very good and sharp, it's also, for some reason, one of the easiest lenses to focus well on the DX finder. A bit long on the DX format, I use it somewhat less than I used to, but it's still a favorite.
Here's one from some time ago, D3200, ISO 400, aperture forgotten.
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the AIS version I own is my favorite portrait lens.
I like the images I am seeing here.
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The color looks good on my crummy laptop monitor, which probably means it's fine anywhere.
I have the last pre-AI iteration of the single coated P, I think, which is a long standing favorite. I don't have much on this computer to show for it, but aside from being very good and sharp, it's also, for some reason, one of the easiest lenses to focus well on the DX finder. A bit long on the DX format, I use it somewhat less than I used to, but it's still a favorite.
Here's one from some time ago, D3200, ISO 400, aperture forgotten.
Nice color at my end, sharp too! 8)
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105mm f/2.5 Ai-S :o :o :o
like what Bjørn said, all of them are great. from the 1st one to the last version. ::)
the character differs a bit depending on version, specially with the earlier ones where there is a gauss and sonnar versions.
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The P I own is the black nose gauss, never tried the
Planar Sonnar.
Thanks for the catch Richard.
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The P I own is the black nose gauss, never tried the Planar.
Sonnar :o :o :o
I like the Sonnar version. very subtle.
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(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk237/ramseypete/AbaquieNM%202016-07%20Revise-Edited_zpsg9duedmw.jpg)
For me the wheel in front is distracting from this otherwise fine contextual portrait. Also the sack barrow is a distracting element because of its strong color compared to the subdued tones of the main subject
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I remember the first time I looked through a 105 in Grayson's Camera, Glendale, California. It just looked right. The 105 gives a nice natural perspective at 2 to 3 meters to my eye.
Dave
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Frank,
I agree but when your shooting a candid shot in a tight room for the moment and the essences of the subject is happening that moment not much you can do.
It's easy in a studio but that would take the relaxed candid realism out of it and makes it contrived.
If I cropped the chair back (wheel) out then the flow of the story would be lost, such as his hands and thus would interfere with the story of him eating lunch and in what seems to be deep thought.
I have seen candid photos on Flicker that had everything going for it and the main subject had there hand or hands just not far enough away from there face to complete the story.
Case in point, there was a beautiful B&W shot of a street juggler entertaining a small crowd juggling glass balls, the crowed was in that fixed on the balls amazed gaze, the juggler head up intensely fixed on his juggling but his had blocked his eyes that would have been the thread to pull together the perfect moment shot if not for the hand blocking his intense look.
I guess you can see my meaning.
I also have the un-cropped version of this photo.
Thanks for your input Frank.
Pete
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Great lens and great images Peter.
Frank there is a strange haze over her face/skin, looks strange did you do some pp re that?
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Thank you for being open to discussion.
My strategy in this case would have been to take the chair in front and move it away. Possibly embedding the thing in a story not to kill the flow of the scene.
Imagine. You take the chair, sit, look out of the window in silence for a while, after 5 minutes stand up, position the chair and get thus a better angle. Even further: put my camera on the table, ask my "model" to watch it for a moment, get outside, reposition the barrow either myself or find someone...
I would still call that candid, maybe "embedded candid" ....
Chances are you find more models and shooting opportunities that way.
Ideology is that even a "stolen" shot is a shot I will have influenced with my presence.
What do you think?
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Thank you for being open to discussion.
My strategy in this case would have been to take the chair in front and move it away. Possibly embedding the thing in a story not to kill the flow of the scene.
Imagine. You take the chair, sit, look out of the window in silence for a while, after 5 minutes stand up, position the chair and get thus a better angle. Even further: put my camera on the table, ask my "model" to watch it for a moment, get outside, reposition the barrow either myself or find someone...
I would still call that candid, maybe "embedded candid" ....
Chances are you find more models and shooting opportunities that way.
Ideology is that even a "stolen" shot is a shot I will have influenced with my presence.
What do you think?
That was not possible Frank, the barrow is this guys tools and the fact if you know the area Ive lived in for almost 20 years it is still traditional old school Northern New Mexican Hispanic culture and the trust thing and family is sacred to most of them. The older folks tend to keep themselves to themselves.
The chair in question was right next to him as truly it was a tight spot in the dining area, I was less than 10 feet away when I shot this.
Not that he was not unapproachable but it would have made him uncomfortable just spotting right next to him.
I was already sitting at my table gorging on my lunch when this gent sat down.
I have seen this guy a few times in passing at this store on my way to Colorado, I guess my next approach is to have a friendly chat with him and get to know him.
Frank trust me when I was pushing the button I was back minding the chair and the bright green barrow as well as when I was doing post.
But your comments give me a better thought for approach and planning maybe better than what I already do. Being I was a Freelance News Paper photographer back in my film days when I took the straight on approaches for the moment, as I was young fearless and ambitious to get the shot no matter what and collecting stupid fat checks for my photos.
Now I have taken a relaxed approach these days as I don't make a living at it anymore and like to be less intrusive.
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... The older folks tend to keep themselves to themselves...
and this image reflects it perfectly
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Love the discussion, thank you very much!
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Peter,
The color looks a bit different on my old iMac compared to Windows 7 computer but both are pleasing.
The one thing I notice on both computers is the photograph is over sharpened. This can easily happen when posting to a forum as the image will probably be sharpened by the forum software over and above any sharpening done by the photographer during post processing. I generally under sharpen a photo intended for uploading. It's a matter of trial and error with each site where I post.
Dave
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The 105 at this distance add a light touch of isolation. A 50 or even 85mm lens would require moving closer for the same crop and the feeling of isolation would drop off. There may not have been enough room for a 135 and the feeling of isolation would increase probably too much. The distance sets the perspective while the perspective affects the emotional feel of the image.
Dave
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I agree Dave, pull back on the sharpen for small web images like these,,,
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Sonnar & Gauss :o :o :o
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I agree Dave, pull back on the sharpen for small web images like these,,,
Does this help?
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk237/ramseypete/Bodes%20CafeNM%20Soft_zps2z3uu7wq.jpg)
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Sonnar & Gauss :o :o :o
The Gauss would be the Nikkor-K with f32 I have the same one.
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From Roland Vink's web site, the Sonnar lenses (F-Type) have serial numbers in the range of 120101 to 286276, and Gauss lenses have serial numbers in the range 407301-1092538.
Link: http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/lenses.html#105
Sonnar lenses have five elements in three groups (5E/3G), whereas Gauss lenses have 5 elements in four groups (5E/4G).
I prefer my K-Type to my AiS version on account of the 170 degree focus throw of the K to the 140 degee focus throw of the AiS. I also much prefer the external lens hood of the K.
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Back to Peter's lovely image: I see a guy having lunch amongst his tools of trade, and don't have an issue with the wheel outside the window or the barrow. I agree that in a posed shot they would be an intrusion, but in a situational pose, they are part of what the man is about or does. But that is just me - I acknowledge that others mileage may differ.
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I am also seeing a great shot, an environmental capture framed nicely!
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The 105/2.5, in fact all versions of it, is the ultimate portrait lens when sufficient working room is available. Indoors, the 85 mm class might be advantageous.
Here Jan Anne of the NG Team is enjoying a Slovenian ice cream. (Df, 105/2.5 K)
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wow :o :o :o