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Images => Nature, Flora, Fauna & Landscapes => Topic started by: golunvolo on February 06, 2016, 13:42:44

Title: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: golunvolo on February 06, 2016, 13:42:44
Today I read something about "don´t run away from the obvious or cliches" so there you go: In the way from south Spain to Madrid. A stop on the road. Nikon d60 from work.
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Frank Fremerey on February 06, 2016, 14:02:19
I always find monocultures highly irritating. Like a work of art, Ai Wei Wei style.

The repetition pattern might appeal to our tendency to have "order" in nature, but what happens underground is the death of an Ecosytem that could feed us, provide us with clean air and water and offer continued free services for the generations to come.

In this sense your picture is a wonderful rendition of this "landscape sculpture" and a record of the absurdity and deviation of our current agri-Culture (agri for "aggression" maybe?)
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Jakov Minić on February 06, 2016, 14:36:22
Paco, these are adorable! I would have spent hours there!
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Post by: bobfriedman on February 06, 2016, 14:52:40
wow.. very impressive.. i have never seen so many.
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: ColinM on February 06, 2016, 15:30:47
I love the image Paco and would really like to have been there.

Frank, I sympathise with your comment and your reasoning. However it's also present in pretty much every field of "modern western agriculture". Perhaps it just isn't so obvious when it's many hectares of maize, wheat or even grass for grazing animals?
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Frank Fremerey on February 06, 2016, 15:53:24
Yes. Modern "green revolution" agriculture based on the science of Justus von Liebig and his followers comes to an end because it cannot be sustained. 10 Energy Units of Diesel for one Energy Unit of food. No Way.

In the sense of the Becher Photo School it is VERY important now to take pictures of the monocultural landscapes as they exist now at the high time of their presence just before their fall.

It is technology of yesterday because it contributes significantly to climate change (water,  carbon & mineral cycle) and has a very bad cost/benefit relation for the farmers. The split of profit is such that the chemical industry earns and the farmer suffers.

Gabe Brown, a "green revolution 2.0" farmer, has shown that on his biodiverse field maize can be grown for 1.44US$ per bushel while the costs his neighbours bare in their monoculture are 4.00US$ per bushel. The secret behind it is, that in a biodiverse culture nature does the work, more photosynthesis is conducted, more sun power and water is sequestered and carbon in the form of soil microorganisms.

PACO: love your work. keep going!

Further information: http://amazingcarbon.com/ and http://brownsranch.us/ and http://savory.global/ and of course my blog (see signature)
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: elsa hoffmann on February 06, 2016, 16:21:58
Quite surreal - great photography.
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: golunvolo on February 06, 2016, 17:02:03
Interesting Frank. I would have thought that mono-agriculture will bring down costs and simplify matters. It not the first time I´m wrong this days...

   Driving from somewhere in south Spain -probably El Puerto de Santa María- going back to Madrid after a weekend of hard work. Field after field on the sides of the roads filled with sunflowers. I had to stop and document. It was oneiric and surreal specially once you step in. I just learned there are many all around Spain. Evil, good, productive or not, the view is very intense.
  We spend some time in the bar on the other side of the road :)


    There are projects of series of photos right there that have never happened. Yet.

   
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Frank Fremerey on February 06, 2016, 20:14:33
I love Spanish coffee. While hitch hiking from Gemany to Grenada and back (a while ago) I found the coffee got better and better the more I came South. French Coffee is not bad, but the best Spanish brew is something terrificly bitter but smooth and chewable at the same time. WOW!
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Anthony on February 06, 2016, 21:13:17
My preferred is the second.  It feels as if they are coming to get me.  Day of the Triffids.
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Post by: Akira on February 06, 2016, 21:26:24
Yet another vote for #2: the fractal pattern of the nature is enhanced beautifully.

Frank's notion makes sense.  One of major causes of our pollen allergy in the metropolis area here is that people planted conifer trees in the surrounding mountains for the architectural materials.  Stupid idea!
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Lowell on February 06, 2016, 21:30:12
Paco,

I like these photos a lot.  I might say, I have never seen so many backlit flowers and its that back lighting of these yellow petaled flowers combined with the darker core that is so attractive to me.
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on February 06, 2016, 22:05:46
.....One of major causes of our pollen allergy in the metropolis area here is that people planted conifer trees in the surrounding mountains for the architectural materials.  Stupid idea!

Conifers produce large-sized pollen grains that usually are too big to cause allergies. But transforming the landscape into monocultures is an ecologically unfriendly and thereby short-sighted idea, in that we both agree.
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: golunvolo on February 06, 2016, 23:33:29
Thank you all for the comments.

  Since the images look like they are getting closer and I also like the backlighted petals, lets try two birds with one stone: backlight and closer keeping the common elements of the series.
   I found that this particular field is alreada in the province of Córdoba, not that far from Granada.
   I also like spanish coffee. Maybe a little too much   ::)
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: John Geerts on February 07, 2016, 01:00:05
These are real beauties, Paco.  I prefer the first one, impressive balanced overview with delicious colours.
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Post by: Akira on February 07, 2016, 01:12:24
Conifers produce large-sized pollen grains that usually are too big to cause allergies. But transforming the landscape into monocultures is an ecologically unfriendly and thereby short-sighted idea, in that we both agree.

Cryptomeria japonica and Chamaecyparis obtusa are widespread connifers in Japan whose pollen are two of the major causes of our pollen allergy, me included.
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on February 07, 2016, 01:23:41
OK, you have different species. Over here 40% of the countryside is Pices abies and Pinus sylvestris. Their pollen production is massive to colour lakes and rivers and lies as a yellow dust everywhere. Despite all this, nobody reacts allergic to them.
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Mikes on February 07, 2016, 01:30:05
Cryptomeria japonica and Chamaecyparis obtusa are widespread connifers in Japan whose pollen are two of the major causes of our pollen allergy, me included.

Me too. Not pleasant!

Fascinating image - it must be a spectacular sight!
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Akira on February 07, 2016, 02:55:27
Me too. Not pleasant!

Ah, sorry about that, Mike!
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Post by: pluton on February 07, 2016, 05:39:24
The first one has a buzzy, hypnotic effect due to the gradual reduction in the size of the flowers, going away from the camera.
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Tristin on February 07, 2016, 10:10:22
The first image i find very hypnotic, very into it!  In the second image I feel the hills/road/poles is a distraction, wish it were cropped to show nothing but the flowers.
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: elsid on February 07, 2016, 19:41:23
A   feast for the eyes. The first one takes you away (I am trying to decide where).
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: golunvolo on February 07, 2016, 19:50:32
Thank you all for your input.

  Tristin, I tried the crop you suggested but I still prefer the one posted here. Please, feel free to post your version if you want.
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Tristin on February 07, 2016, 20:47:50
My commentary on the second image was un-necessary to be honest.  I'm a "one image of a scene" kind of guy anyhow, so I would have left it to the first image.  That's just me though.   :)
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Lowell on February 07, 2016, 23:18:50
Tristin,

I appreciated your comment.  Your view is interesting to me.  Starting from the point, that this is precisely what I was going to say about the first image and why I like the second image.  That got me thinking about my impression.

Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: golunvolo on February 07, 2016, 23:25:24
My commentary on the second image was un-necessary to be honest.  I'm a "one image of a scene" kind of guy anyhow, so I would have left it to the first image.  That's just me though.   :)

  Interesting. It usually takes me a loooot of pictures before I realize what call my attention in the first place. Sometimes -happy times- more than one do justice or show different suitable parts of the whole.
   Sometimes it doesn´t happen...

   Even being my own editor it is not easy to pick just "the one". Working on it thou
Title: Re: Obvious sunflowers
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on February 11, 2016, 14:39:51
Impressive scene. I slightly favor the first shot.