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Gear Talk => Other => Topic started by: golunvolo on September 27, 2015, 07:55:40

Title: Reversed lens shade
Post by: golunvolo on September 27, 2015, 07:55:40
I keep seeing people with their lens shade reversed while shooting. Anybody knows why on earth do they do that? For me is just uncomfortable and of no use but there are so many going on out there that I may be missing the point...

   
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on September 27, 2015, 08:04:37
Probably because they (a) don't understand what a lens shade is and (b) are afraid of losing something they paid for.
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: Jakov Minić on September 27, 2015, 09:48:58
Ignorance is the point  ::)
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: Peter Forsell on September 27, 2015, 10:06:52
Well, the reversed hood is one thing, but instead of "protective" filters what you think of the lens cap? For IR shooting only?  8)



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Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: elsa hoffmann on September 27, 2015, 13:58:49
While I know and understand the value of a lens hood, I simply HATE them with a passion. PASSION in capital letters. And I have managed quite well so far shooting without them.
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: Akira on September 27, 2015, 15:16:08
One of the difficulty of using current AF-S lenses are that MF cannot be disabled.  The focus mode switch has only M and A/M position.  So, any slight touch of the focus ring causes focusing error.  Their wide and comfortable-to-operate focus ring worsen the situation.  This is common problem of standard and wide prime lenses of f1.8 and 1.4.

A lens hood mounted in reversed position keeps your supporting hand from touching the focus ring inadvertently.
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: Gary on September 27, 2015, 16:59:55
I found that hoods increase the sex value of a lens/camera. A lens with a hood is much more sexy than a lens sans hood. Hence, I always use hoods, hoping that the some of that extra value would extend back to the shooter. (I suspect that Elsa doesn't need any artificial enhancements.)
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: elsa hoffmann on September 27, 2015, 17:26:32
I found that hoods increase the sex value of a lens/camera. A lens with a hood is much more sexy than a lens sans hood. Hence, I always use hoods, hoping that the some of that extra value would extend back to the shooter. (I suspect that Elsa doesn't need any artificial enhancements.)

your suspectness  ;D is correct.
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: Jacques Pochoy on September 27, 2015, 17:47:32
Those lens hoods can be useful in crowds, avoiding people to bang something in your lens, as most time they don't even see you have a camera !!! Of course in summer they can be helpful too, as the hand shield works but the hood is easier... :-)
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: elsa hoffmann on September 27, 2015, 18:41:20
They can be as useful and wonderful as you all say - still hate them with a passion  ::) >:(
Some lenses have them built on - slides in and out. Now why cant they all be like that?
Then I would use it for sure!
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: HCS on September 27, 2015, 23:10:45
... Anybody knows why on earth do they do that? ...

It's actually quite simple ... they're trying to make it to the lens flare thread  :D
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: MFloyd on March 28, 2016, 10:20:09
I always put a lens hood - mainly to reduce flare to the maximum -. If I have to use a / the flash on the camera, I.... reverse the hood, otherwise I will have shadows if I use a wide angle position.
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: richardHaw on March 28, 2016, 10:49:08
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"it's like a switch, you know. when i turn this cap..." - Over the Top

i am guilty of that sometimes when i am in a hurry and i just pulled my 70-200 out of the bag :o :o :o
it makes me look "PRO", give me street creds.
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: golunvolo on March 28, 2016, 13:46:53
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: Gary on March 31, 2016, 18:15:56
Often, after switching out a lens and if I'm in a hurry ... I'll shoot with the hood reversed.
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: Mongo on March 31, 2016, 23:59:00
Mongo agrees that they get in the way when left reversed and best removed altogether or fitted correctly rather than left on reversed. Mongo thinks its mostly laziness OR on the odd occasion, if it is only for a very quick few frames with the light squarely over your back (no great immediate need).
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: jhinkey on April 06, 2016, 22:30:54
I keep seeing people with their lens shade reversed while shooting. Anybody knows why on earth do they do that? For me is just uncomfortable and of no use but there are so many going on out there that I may be missing the point...

 

(a) They don't know how to use one, but they have it installed anyways because it came with the lens
(b) They do know how to use one, but forgot to switch it around
(c) They do know how to use one, but don't have time to switch it around
(d) They do know how to use one, but know enough when to and not to use one (that's me)

Just because you CAN use a lens hood doesn't mean you NEED to use it in all situations.  Many situations it will make no discernible difference, but in many situations it will make a big difference, but you just can't tell before you take the shot :)

For me, most modern lens hoods are just plain poorly implemented, that's one of the (minor) reasons I don't have much modern glass.  I prefer screw-in reversible hoods, like on my 75/2.5 Summarit-M as well as the classic Nikkor built-in slide-out hoods or on my Leica Telyts - out of the way during storage and easily implemented when needed.
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: MFloyd on April 16, 2016, 23:40:59
The newer lens shades are made in (expensive) CF, the weight at the end is a real pain, inducing a lot of cantilever; moreover, lens shades provide good protection for the expensive front lens of this 400mm f/2.8 for example:
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 02, 2016, 08:54:30
I've never liked reversing a hood a seldom do it. I have no choice with my AF-S 105/2.8G ED Micro as it's a honker. With my older lenses such as my 105/2.5 AIS, 105/2.8 AIS Micro, 135/2.8 AIS, etc. I put an HS-8 or HS-14 on and leave it. I use an HN-3 on many lenses like my 50/1.8 AI, AF 50/1.8 and AF 28-70/3.5-4.5D. I'm partial to hoods that accept the Tupperware #G cap.

The only front element of a Nikkor lens that I've damaged had neither a hood nor a filter, that since 1970.

Dave

Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 02, 2016, 09:15:35
One of the difficulty of using current AF-S lenses are that MF cannot be disabled.  The focus mode switch has only M and A/M position.  So, any slight touch of the focus ring causes focusing error.  Their wide and comfortable-to-operate focus ring worsen the situation.  This is common problem of standard and wide prime lenses of f1.8 and 1.4.

I noticed this several times with my AF-S 20/1.8G ED. I need new reflexes to deal with this problem. A thinner focus ring would help. With AI and AIS Nikkors one could grasp both the focus ring and the chrome ring and lock the focus. Also these new lens don't offer any thing like the chrome ring for removing and installing a lens.

Dave
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: Akira on August 02, 2016, 14:50:56
I noticed this several times with my AF-S 20/1.8G ED. I need new reflexes to deal with this problem. A thinner focus ring would help. With AI and AIS Nikkors one could grasp both the focus ring and the chrome ring and lock the focus. Also these new lens don't offer any thing like the chrome ring for removing and installing a lens.

Dave

Dave, when I used the new f1.8 lenses (35, 28 and 24mm), I wanted to use the hood (NOT reversed) for the shading and put my supporting fingers on the hood, so that they won't touch the focus rings.  I didn't find any difficulty in attaching/detaching the lens: you can just hold the front edge of the lens and rotate.
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: pluton on August 02, 2016, 20:15:19
Dave, when I used the new f1.8 lenses (35, 28 and 24mm), I wanted to use the hood (NOT reversed) for the shading and put my supporting fingers on the hood, so that they won't touch the focus rings.  I didn't find any difficulty in attaching/detaching the lens: you can just hold the front edge of the lens and rotate.
This, and when the lens needs to be additionally shaded by hand, the hood offers a platform on which to rest the thumb or hand, without goofing the focus ring... wherein the hand can become the 'french flag' out in front of the lens.
Title: Re: Reversed lens shade
Post by: Matthew Currie on August 02, 2016, 22:30:19
I keep an HN-3 on a couple of lenses, but genuine Nikon lens caps have always been designed to fit properly into the inside threads of a lens cap. Most others don't.  The old ones with side buttons are not convenient in an unreversed cap, but the current type are fine, and the HN-3 is nice and shallow.  No need for Tupperware on those.