NikonGear'23
Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Vegebarian on May 18, 2023, 16:45:46
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Hi everyone. I recently bought a Nikon FM and I'm looking for some recommendations for small MF primes that would work well on it and not cost too much. I'm in England.
I don't need super fast glass. Small, cheap and optically good are more important to me. I do like nice (smooth) rendering, but I know I'm not going to be throwing backgrounds completely out of focus with f2.5 and f4 etc. lenses. I'm also aware that these lenses probably aren't going to be 'Z Mount' sharp, especially wide open in the corners. That's fine.
Am I right in thinking that any pre-AI, AI, AI-S, AF or AF-D will be ok on the FM? I see that there are lots of AF-D primes around but I thought some old school metal body lenses would be nice if there are any that are widely available. It feels right for an old school mechanical SLR.
In the past I've really liked carrying a prime set of 20mm, 35mm or 50mm and 85mm. So something like that would be good eventually. I guess 35 or 50 would be a good place to start. Thanks in advance!
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see richardhaw.com for recommendations :o :o :o
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The earliest versions of the Nikkor-O 35mm f/2 are hard to beat. Find a sample with front element shimmering in gold. That's a perfect clue :)
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Richard Haw? Never heard of him! ;D I'm joking of course, I've already been looking at the 50mm f2K on your website. I can get one quite cheaply and it looks good. Thanks Richard.
I will seek out the Nikkor-O 35mm f/2 as well. I do love a good 35. Thanks Birna!
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I enjoyed Nikkor H C 50/2.0 on my F2 loaded with Kodachrome 25. Its optic is the same as that of 50K. Highly recommended.
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I'm a big fan of the older Nikkor manual focus lenses. The only thing to think about is that you don't wanna go too cheap on an old lens. Many of them might be beaten to death at this point in time. The good thing is these old lenses were built to take a pretty good beating.
Affordable lenses like the previously mentioned 35/2 Nikkor-O and 50/2 Nikkor H and H.C. are really excellent. The 50/1.8 AI and AI-S (long nose) are nice and perfectly useable on your FM. For a wider lens, the 24/2.8 N and N.C. and 28/3.5 H and H.C. are old favorites (I love the 24mm). For something longer, the 105/2.5 P and P.C. and the 200/4 Nikkor-Q are a couple of my favorites.
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Steve knows his onions.
https://youtu.be/Ic_13l0ibnM
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So pleasing to hear a more correct pronounciation of 'Nikon' and 'Nikkor'. Still the English way, but gentler and softer than usual.
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I'd add the 20/3.5 AI(S) to the list.
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The 52mm filter thread 20/3.5 is nice, however struggles with corners for landscape shooting. It is phenomenal for shooting straight into the sun for example, then often combined with the narrow K-1 ring. That setup was a favourite with Nordic nature photographers for many years.
Another advantage is it apparently is easier to locate today than the f/4 model. Be aware of the 72mm filter thread 20/3.5 UD, which is super on its own, but hardly can be designated 'compact'.
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Hi everyone. I recently bought a Nikon FM and I'm looking for some recommendations for small MF primes that would work well on it and not cost too much. I'm in England.
I don't need super fast glass. Small, cheap and optically good are more important to me. I do like nice (smooth) rendering, but I know I'm not going to be throwing backgrounds completely out of focus with f2.5 and f4 etc. lenses. I'm also aware that these lenses probably aren't going to be 'Z Mount' sharp, especially wide open in the corners. That's fine.
Am I right in thinking that any pre-AI, AI, AI-S, AF or AF-D will be ok on the FM? I see that there are lots of AF-D primes around but I thought some old school metal body lenses would be nice if there are any that are widely available. It feels right for an old school mechanical SLR.
In the past I've really liked carrying a prime set of 20mm, 35mm or 50mm and 85mm. So something like that would be good eventually. I guess 35 or 50 would be a good place to start. Thanks in advance!
The Nikon FM will mount pre-AI lenses if you flip the AI tab up, but you will be limited to stop-down metering using DOF preview, unless I am mistaken. It will be easier to stick with AI and AI-S lenses.
Regarding compact and optically good lenses, here are some recommendations worth considering:
- AI 20/3.5 or 20/4 - very compact super-wide lens
- AI-S 28/2.8 - sharp lens which focuses very close and very low barrel distortion. The 28/3.5 versions also perform well if you want something cheaper and more compact, but not quite as good and don't focus as close
- AI 35/2.8 with 8xxxxx serial number. 6 element optical design is sharp with very low barrel distortion.
- AI-S 35/2.8 - this has a simpler 5 element design which is generally regarded as inferior to the 6 element version, but I have one and it performs very well.
- AI-P 45/2.8 - super compact, if that's what you want, but expensive. I found it too small for my liking, and prefer a faster aperture at this focal length.
- AI 50/1.8 - has nicer rendering (smoother backgrounds) than later compact AI-S versions. There is also a very similar "long nose" AIS version with the same optics but I prefer the AI due to the longer focus throw. The AI 50/2 is also sharp but I like the rendition of the AI 50/1.8 better
- AI-S 50/1.8 - Japanese version with all-metal construction and focus to 0.45m, serial no 2050001 - 2268017. The best option if you want a very compact lens, but I find it is a bit too compact to handle easily. Very sharp but rendition is not as smooth as the AI 50/1.8. There are similar pancake Series-E and AIS versions but these have plastic in their construction, only focus to 0.6m and coatings are not as good.
- AI-S 85/2 - a very nice little portrait lens.
- Series-E 100/2.8 - the most compact telephoto from Nikon and a very good performer (not quite as good as the AI 105/2.5 but this lens is a lot bigger)
- AI 135/3.5 - a good telephoto, nice built-in hood, performs well wide open.
- AIS 135/2.8 - only a little bigger and heavier than the f/3.5 versions and gains more than half a stop in speed.
- Series-E 75-150/3.5 - very versatile short telephoto zoom, covers a useful range and can replace all the other telephotos listed here if you don't need the faster aperture. It also focuses reasonably near making it useful for closeups.
All have the same standard 52mm filter thread, so the same front caps and filters will fit all these lenses. These may not be "Z sharp", but certainly good enough for film.
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I concur with the support for the 35mm f/2. It’s a great little lens.
Nobody has yet mentioned the 24mm f/2.8. Stopping down to f/4 cures the vignetting. It works very well with the K1 ring too. Not having much experience with this sort of thing, I was surprised how much difference that ring makes.
The 105mm f/2.5 is a classic and with good reason. If you find a decent one, grab it.
Finally, how about the 200mm f/4? It is surprisingly affordable and takes the common 52mm filters. I should take mine out more often to become more familiar with the angle of view.
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I've always liked the lowly 50/2 AI, which is nice and compact, doesn't really need a hood, and is often very inexpensive. It's pretty free of faults.
The old pre-AI 200/4 does not focus very close but it makes nice images, and is surprisingly forgiving of extension tubes.
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Lets not forget the 55/3.5 Micro-Nikkor. Very lightweight and optically superb.
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And it is much less prone to leak oil onto its diaphragm blades than its newer 55mm f/2.8 sibling!
Lets not forget the 55/3.5 Micro-Nikkor. Very lightweight and optically superb.
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In my earlier post I listed what I considered to be the best compact lenses for the Nikon FM. However, if you use AI and AI-S Nikkors with the standard 52mm filter thread, none of them are very big and all are more than good enough optically for film. Even the lenses with the fastest aperture in each focal length, such as the 28/2, 35/1.4 and 50/1.2 are relatively small. However, if you don't need the speed you can get slower lenses which are just as good, and a bit smaller, lighter and cheaper. There is a huge range of lenses with the standard 52mm filter, with focal length from 20mm - 200mm, including zooms, macro, PC, slow and fast aperture. You can easily choose whatever fits your requirements best, I think you will be happy with anything you choose. The only lenses I wouldn't recommend are some of the series-E lenses but even they do very well when stopped down. All the best!
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Finally, how about the 200mm f/4? It is surprisingly affordable and takes the common 52mm filters. I should take mine out more often to become more familiar with the angle of view.
The AI 200mm f/4 (52mm) is sharp across the image field wide open. My sample does not focus really to infinity unfortunately. And I have not dared to follow Richard Haw and disassemble it to the point for adjusting the infinity stop.
This lens has a very big working distance as closeup lens as the front principal plane is in front outside the lens. Here is an example with bellows near 1:1 reproduction ratio. The second picture illustrates the working distance at max bellows extension with additional rings, about 1.5x magnification.
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The 52mm filter thread 20/3.5 is nice, however struggles with corners for landscape shooting. It is phenomenal for shooting straight into the sun for example
I did not notice far edge and corner weakness at landscape takes, using it at f/11 on a D800.
Due to is center sharpness even close up, it is also interesting for "high" magnification when used reversed on bellows: A close look 15x magnified of a glossy computer screen with 115 micro meter pixels. The alignment of the camera with the screen is not prefect for this image. The third image illustrates the working distance on such bellows use with reverse lens. Roughly, it is the flange distance for Nikon F.
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Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. An absolute wealth of information in this thread.
Also thanks again to Richard Haw and his amazing website. I think I must have read over half of it over the last few days!
I like the idea of a small set of lightweight primes. So I bought the 50mm f2K that I had my eye on and an AI'd 135mm f3.5. I'm also looking at a 24mm f2.8 AI-S because they seem cheaper than the 20mm options and I'm hoping it will do the job of a 20 and 35... although that was my plan with my G primes and I now own a 20, 24 and 35 so we'll see ;D
Great dragonfly photo Bernard Delley. Looks like you got really close and I like the rendering of the out of focus areas. Reversed lens macro is a nice bonus that you don't get with the modern G lenses!
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My personal selection of classics that I can suggest:
- 3,5/20 UD auto Ai modified for landscape (a bit heavy and not so compact)
- 3,5/20 Ai (52mm) for "sun-star" images (very compact)
- 2/28 N-C Ai'd or Ais (night and landscapes) (compact for a f/2,0)
- 2,8/28 Ais (0,20m) for near macro or "macro-landscape"
- 1,4/35 N-C Ai'dor Ais and 1,2/50 Ais for bokeh or dreamy rendering (full open). 1,2/50 @2,0 or 2,8 for lowlight and sharpness (compact for a f:1,4, compare with an AFS...)
- 2/50 H-C Ai'd for everyday and walk around (compact)
- 2,5/105 P-C Ai'd for everything (it's so good and has nice sharpness)
- 4/200 Ais or Apo Telyt R 3,4/180 (compact long lenses)
- and the only zoom: 3,5/75-150 Series E chrom ring (2nd model) very compact and nice minimum focus of 1m. Very good with Nikon 3T or 4T.