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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Erik Lund on February 08, 2023, 17:36:48

Title: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Erik Lund on February 08, 2023, 17:36:48
Great news from Nikon if you like shallow depth of field or pancakes  :o ;D
NIKON IS DEVELOPING THE NIKKOR Z 85MM F/1.2 S, A FAST MID-TELEPHOTO PRIME LENS, AND THE NIKKOR Z 26MM F/2.8, A SLIM WIDE-ANGLE PRIME LENS FOR THE NIKON Z MOUNT SYSTEM  LAS VEGAS-CES – Booth #17914 (January 4th 2023) – Nikon Inc. is pleased to announce the development of the NIKKOR Z 85mm f/1.2 S, a fast mid-telephoto prime lens, and the NIKKOR Z 26mm f/2.8, a slim wide-angle prime lens, for full-frame (FX-format) Nikon Z series mirrorless cameras.The NIKKOR Z 85mm f/1.2 S is part of the S-Line1 NIKKOR Z lens series, and realizes both superior rendering performance and large, beautiful bokeh. It expands possibilities for users capturing portraits in areas such as weddings and fashion. The NIKKOR Z 26mm f/2.8 achieves outstanding slimness and lightness, as well as high rendering performance, making it an ideal lens for advanced amateur photographers who take their camera everywhere so as not to miss a moment.
The NIKKOR Z 26mm f/2.8 achieves outstanding slimness and lightness, as well as high rendering performance, making it an ideal lens for advanced amateur photographers who take their camera everywhere so as not to miss a moment.
Nikon will continue to pursue a new dimension in optical performance while meeting users’ needs, contributing to the development of imaging culture, with the hope of expanding possibilities for imaging expression.
These lenses will be displayed at Nikon’s booth (Central Hall #17914) at the annual Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas from January 5-8, 2023.

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2023/01/04/nikon-announces-the-development-of-the-nikkor-z-85mm-f-1-2-s-and-nikkor-z-26mm-f-2-8-lenses.aspx/#ixzz7skCcWSLR (https://nikonrumors.com/2023/01/04/nikon-announces-the-development-of-the-nikkor-z-85mm-f-1-2-s-and-nikkor-z-26mm-f-2-8-lenses.aspx/#ixzz7skCcWSLR)
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Fons Baerken on February 08, 2023, 18:48:17
From fredmiranda.com

Ricci talks:

'For those who considering between f1.8S or f1.2S.

The background is much more pleasant at f1.8 on the f1.2S vs the f1.8S.
And I've been shooting with the f1.8S and thought the background rendering is quite good already.
I wonder how this will compare with 200f2 VRII in terms of background rendering which I use as a reference standard'.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7BfACEScHw&t=2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7BfACEScHw&t=2s)
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Roland Vink on February 08, 2023, 21:39:20
The background is much more pleasant at f1.8 on the f1.2S vs the f1.8S.
I assume you are talking about the 50mm lenses here, unless you had a chance to try a pre-production 85/1.2 :o :)

Most lenses have cats-eye bokeh at full aperture which largely goes away when stopping down one or two stops, so at f1.8, the 50/1.8 would have cats-eye bokeh towards the corners of the frame, while the 50/1.2 at the same aperture would have rounder bokeh. Is that why it has better bokeh at f1.8?
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Hugh_3170 on February 09, 2023, 00:16:09
Thom's take on the 26mm Z lens is here:  https://www.zsystemuser.com/z-mount-lenses/nikkor-lenses/currently-available-nikkors/nikkor-z-26mm-f28.html

I wonder if he is one of Nikon's selected photographers that have have the pleasure of testing early pre-production samples?

The 26mm lens has a claimed metal lens mount (unlike the polycarbonate mounts of the 40mm and 28mm Z lenses) and a somewhat stiff initial price tag of $US500 (plus local taxes).
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Fons Baerken on February 09, 2023, 00:29:35
I assume you are talking about the 50mm lenses here, unless you had a chance to try a pre-production 85/1.2 :o :)

Most lenses have cats-eye bokeh at full aperture which largely goes away when stopping down one or two stops, so at f1.8, the 50/1.8 would have cats-eye bokeh towards the corners of the frame, while the 50/1.2 at the same aperture would have rounder bokeh. Is that why it has better bokeh at f1.8?

Roland this entry comes from fredmiranda, should have mentioned it.
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Erik Lund on February 09, 2023, 08:57:50
I assume you are talking about the 50mm lenses here, unless you had a chance to try a pre-production 85/1.2 :o :)

Most lenses have cats-eye bokeh at full aperture which largely goes away when stopping down one or two stops, so at f1.8, the 50/1.8 would have cats-eye bokeh towards the corners of the frame, while the 50/1.2 at the same aperture would have rounder bokeh. Is that why it has better bokeh at f1.8?
Fons is quoting Ricci from 'Ricci Talks'
Ricci has used pre production 85mm f/1.2 ;)
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Fons Baerken on February 09, 2023, 09:14:34
Thanks Eric

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgjKtzEx-7I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgjKtzEx-7I)

Matt Irwin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauML-4u0PI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauML-4u0PI)
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Luc on February 09, 2023, 13:22:18
Hands on of 85mm f1.2 (and some comparisions with Canon 85mm f1.2) by Manny Ortiz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kYH8SKV37g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kYH8SKV37g)
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Luc on February 09, 2023, 13:25:44
Thom's take on the 26mm Z lens is here:  https://www.zsystemuser.com/z-mount-lenses/nikkor-lenses/currently-available-nikkors/nikkor-z-26mm-f28.html

I wonder if he is one of Nikon's selected photographers that have have the pleasure of testing early pre-production samples?

I guess his "verdict" is not based on first hand experience but just from interpreting the specs and MTF measurements.
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Frank Fremerey on February 09, 2023, 18:35:50
If the 1.2/85S is in the quality range of the 1.2/50S which is the best lens I ever had the privilege to own, I am really tempted.
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: MEPER on February 09, 2023, 22:13:23
The 26/2.8 could be fun to get for my Z50 with DX sensor.
Looking at the MTF decent quality should be possible even at 2.8.
I already have the 40/2 but passed up on the 28/2.8 as I wanted to check what the 26/2.8 could offer.
Prices usually drops a bit after release and after most stores have the lens available?
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Erik Lund on February 10, 2023, 09:09:46
I guess his "verdict" is not based on first hand experience but just from interpreting the specs and MTF measurements.

Yes indeed, more of an observation ;)
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Erik Lund on February 10, 2023, 09:15:15
The 26/2.8 could be fun to get for my Z50 with DX sensor.
Looking at the MTF decent quality should be possible even at 2.8.
I already have the 40/2 but passed up on the 28/2.8 as I wanted to check what the 26/2.8 could offer.
Prices usually drops a bit after release and after most stores have the lens available?

I also got the 40mm for my Z6 [IR] Very nice walk around lens and it's fabulous in infrared despite what I read online somwhere!
From what I heard in Ricci Talks video the image quality of the 26mm is better than the 28mm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVVArTHf6nQ
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVVArTHf6nQ)
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Erik Lund on February 10, 2023, 10:00:19
If the 1.2/85S is in the quality range of the 1.2/50S which is the best lens I ever had the privilege to own, I am really tempted.

Comparison of pre-production lens between the 50 f/1.2 and the new 85 f/1.2 at Ricci Talks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7BfACEScHw
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on February 10, 2023, 10:09:08

I also got the 40mm for my Z6 [IR] Very nice walk around lens and it's fabulous in infrared despite what I read online somwhere!
From what I heard in Ricci Talks video the image quality of the 26mm is better than the 28mm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVVArTHf6nQ
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVVArTHf6nQ)

He does point out that the out-of-focus areas are nicer in the images from the 28mm. The MTFs show that the 26 is sharper in the center (DX area) whereas the 28 is sharper in the outer areas of the FX frame. The 28 has more silent focusing whereas the 26 produces audible sound when the autofocus is active.

I think the 26mm will be a very interesting lens to have for several purposes. One is to fit on a slim DX camera like the Zfc to make the whole really compact and slim. But it can also be used as a wide angle on FX cameras and one that is so small that one can lose it in a side pocket of the bag rather than have to have a full slot in a camera bag as is the case for most lenses.

Here is Nikon's annoucement:

https://www.nikon.com/news/2023/0207_lens_01.htm

The prices are quite high, in Finland stores are listing the pancake at 619€ and the 85mm f/1.2 is 3499€.
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Akira on February 13, 2023, 08:51:01
It is interesting that Nikon chose a unique focal length of 26mm.

I'm not familiar with the situation outside Japane, but here in Japan, some market researches tells that there are a lot of people who become interested in the photography jump right into the full-frame world from the smartphone.  And the 26mm on FX offers the very angle-of-view that the "standard lens" of the smartphone camera.

It behaves as the equivalent of a 40mm lens on a DX body, which, of course makes the perfect sense, too.
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on February 13, 2023, 11:37:38
It is interesting that Nikon chose a unique focal length of 26mm.

I'm not familiar with the situation outside Japane, but here in Japan, some market researches tells that there are a lot of people who become interested in the photography jump right into the full-frame world from the smartphone.  And the 26mm on FX offers the very angle-of-view that the "standard lens" of the smartphone camera.

It behaves as the equivalent of a 40mm lens on a DX body, which, of course makes the perfect sense, too.

It's certainly possible that Nikon thought of smartphone users and the most common smartphone lens angle of view when setting out to design the 26mm pancake. However, a major reason to purchase a dedicated camera is the possibilities offered by using *other* focal lengths and so I am not sure if these new ILC users would be keen on spending so much money on the lens which doesn't allow them to differentiate as much from the smartphone (though the depth of field wide open will be significantly shallower). I sure hope the image quality and larger aperture is enough to persuade them.

I suspect that a lot of people who purchase this lens will be buying it because of its very small size which is in stark contrast to what many of us are used to. And we'll be coming from all kinds of histories of photography involvement.

The 40mm equivalent field of view on DX is definitely useful as well; I really liked 80mm as the normal lens on 6x7 cm format and the size and shape of the lens would be a good match to the Zfc. However, then one might miss a wider angle if deciding to stick to DX.
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Fons Baerken on February 18, 2023, 14:53:16
I see a price of €8740, wow! https://www.fotodevakman.nl/nikon-nikkor-z-portretlens-85-mm-f-1-2-s (https://www.fotodevakman.nl/nikon-nikkor-z-portretlens-85-mm-f-1-2-s) this shop must have got completely wrong. So i contacted them.
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Jack Dahlgren on February 19, 2023, 19:02:09
It is interesting that Nikon chose a unique focal length of 26mm.

I'm not familiar with the situation outside Japane, but here in Japan, some market researches tells that there are a lot of people who become interested in the photography jump right into the full-frame world from the smartphone.  And the 26mm on FX offers the very angle-of-view that the "standard lens" of the smartphone camera.

It behaves as the equivalent of a 40mm lens on a DX body, which, of course makes the perfect sense, too.

Sometimes 24 is too short and 28 too long. I think this is a good compromise actually.
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: Roland Vink on February 19, 2023, 21:11:06
Sometimes 24 is too short and 28 too long. I think this is a good compromise actually.
And sometimes 22mm or 30mm is just right too :o :)

In the rangefinder days, Nikon had a 2.5cm (25mm) lens, but they switched to 24mm for their F-mount lens to give better separation from their 28mm lens.
Title: Re: Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.2 and 26mm f/2.8
Post by: MILLIREHM on February 19, 2023, 23:09:15
Regarding the 26 mm lens I was thinking myself, why I eventually should buy it (already owning the 28mm and 40 mm pancakes). It is more compact yes (but what about the camera it requires)
and then why should people buy it for this price having the other cheaper options

(It is not anamorphic as proposed), it has got a metal bayonet and three aspheric lens element (compared to two), so we have to see whether the latter makes an impact on IQ

Then I read Akira

It is interesting that Nikon chose a unique focal length of 26mm.

I'm not familiar with the situation outside Japane, but here in Japan, some market researches tells that there are a lot of people who become interested in the photography jump right into the full-frame world from the smartphone.  And the 26mm on FX offers the very angle-of-view that the "standard lens" of the smartphone camera.

and so far this is the most plausible explanation for Nikons choice I have read of.

then maybe add Nikons favor for offering unique focal lengths (such as the 58mm Noct and the 19 mm PC)