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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: Michael Erlewine on September 15, 2021, 14:46:30
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Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max Camera Options
https://www.apple.com/iphone-13/?afid=p238%7CsUQLTpWMH-dc_mtid_20925d2q39172_pcrid_545747010871_pgrid_126654828189_&cid=wwa-us-kwgo-iphone--slid---Brand-iPhone13-Announce-
The advent of Apple’s iPhone 13 Pro Max is sure to cause groans from a lot of NikonGear readers, but not from me. I find I use my iPhone 11 Pro Max cameras more and more as I get older. And I’m about to trade that in for the iPhone 13 Pro Max with 1 TB memory.
This newest iPhone has sensor-shift image stabilization, new ultra-wide camera with 47% more light that can focus at just 2 cm, essentially a macro mode. Also, a new telephoto camera with 77mm focal length and 3x optical zoom, plus 6x optical zoom.
A new video Cinematic mode now has rack focus, which shoots in Dolby Vision HDR. For video, this allows you to edit depth effect and focus transitions after shooting. The iPhone 13 Pro Max will include ProRes this fall and the ability to shoot, cut, and ship the footage.
The phone continues to have Night Mode as included in earlier iPhones. Portrait Mode can blur the background bokeh and includes six lighting effects to swipe through. Smart HDR now recognizes up to four different people in a scene and optimizes contrast, lighting, and skin tones for each one. And it continues to have Deep Fusion for low-light scenes.
The OLED display has true blacks and is 28% brighter (800 nits up to 1200 nits) The iPhone 13 Pro Max includes a 1 TB option. And 2.5 hours more battery life. Also, 5G.
Camera:
Telephoto, 77 mm, 3x optical zoom, f/2.8 (6 element lens)
Ultra-Wide 13mm, f/1.8 (6 element lens)
Wide 26 mm, f/1.5, 1.9µm pixels (7 element lens)
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I have the 12+ and this has some incremental improvements. Probably not enough for me to break my pattern of every other version though. 12+ already has the sensor shift which is nice, and 5g.
I think the post capture rack focus is a bit of a gimmick as it just adds selective blur to images captured with higher depth of field. The example they showed was captured with at f/9 with what appeared to be the wide lens. But adaptive focus during shooting is interesting.
I used to carry my camera everyday. Now I only do when I have something specific I want to photograph and need the capabilities it offers.
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I have the 12+ and this has some incremental improvements. Probably not enough for me to break my pattern of every other version though. 12+ already has the sensor shift which is nice, and 5g.
I think the post capture rack focus is a bit of a gimmick as it just adds selective blur to images captured with higher depth of field. The example they showed was captured with at f/9 with what appeared to be the wide lens. But adaptive focus during shooting is interesting.
I used to carry my camera everyday. Now I only do when I have something specific I want to photograph and need the capabilities it offers.
How about the DNG files. How useful are they, in your opinion?
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Moved to the 12 Mini last year from the XS, love the small size and do like the 13mm ultra wide angle lens but am missing the 56mm tele lens a lot more than I like having the UWA. The complete lack of optical background separation is extremely annoying as it is the complete opposite of what I love about my fast primes on the Z6.
The 13 Pro does sure look tempting with the 13, 26 AND 77mm lenses for a nice 6x optical zoom range plus the 2cm macro and improved low light performance are also very tempting.
Wasn't planning on upgrading after one year but do admit that whatever is left of my photographer heart it dies a little more every time I see images of the "standard" 26mm lens with infinite DOF or crappy digitally zoomed in distant images.
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Interesting choice of focal lengths (FX equivalent): 13mm, 26mm and 77mm.
Personally, 13mm seems too wide, and the 3x gap between 26 and 77 is too big.
Something like 21mm, 40mm and 80mm would do nicely, although that skips the popular 26-28mm focal length.
Actually, an iPhone mini with 26mm and 56mm would be my first choice (currently using iPhone SE II with 26mm only) :)
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My old XS had the 28 and 56mm combo which was perfect, I've shot a lot with 14mm lenses on DSLR and mirrorless so the 13mm on the 12 Mini was very welcome and familiar territory but not having a tele lens makes it a weird combo for me personally.
The 13, 26 and 77mm combo should work fine for my style shooting as it comes close to my preferred 14, 35 and 85 or 125mm combo for the Z6.
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I ask again: how are the DNG files on the iPhone, if anyone knows, please.
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I ask again: how are the DNG files on the iPhone, if anyone knows, please.
I rarely edit my phone photos on a computer so haven’t tried this out. If the sun comes out I’ll give it a try this afternoon and post so you can judge. Right now it is a bit gray so not a big challenge for bit depth.
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I rarely edit my phone photos on a computer so haven’t tried this out. If the sun comes out I’ll give it a try this afternoon and post so you can judge. Right now it is a bit gray so not a big challenge for bit depth.
Thanks
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Still have a iPhone X. Will order a iPhone 13 Pro (don't know what size set) tomorrow. Imagine having all these features in a pro body ?
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Still have a iPhone X. Will order a iPhone 13 Pro (don't know what size set) tomorrow. Imagine having all these features in a pro body ?
Which features do you mean?
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Birna isn't it better to create a dedicated page for people who use cells of different kinds? For different purposes? THX! LZ
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.... Portrait Mode can blur the background bokeh and
I have no complaints about the feature, but wonder if they could have called it something else to differentiate from the existing well used terms of Portrait/Landscape ?
Too late of course...
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I have no complaints about the feature, but wonder if they could have called it something else to differentiate from the existing well used terms of Portrait/Landscape ?
Too late of course...
The last I checked, Apple was not listening to me. :)
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Which features do you mean?
I think about the camera features; too many to list.
In the meantime, I ordered a iPhone 13 Maxi Pro with 512 GB.
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Nice, I've read in the specs that you need at least 256GB storage to use the 4K ProRes 30fps video recording so with 512 you are golden in when you are using it for film :)
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I've sent Michael a link to some images I captured in .jpg and .dng
If anyone else wants to play with them send me a PM.
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I've sent Michael a link to some images I captured in .jpg and .dng
If anyone else wants to play with them send me a PM.
Thanks Jack. Interesting. I see the difference, not as much as I might have thought, but I will have to experiment. I ordered the iPhone 13 Pro Max with 1 TB of memory as I hope to do some short videos with it, maybe some ProRes.
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I have my iPhone 13 Pro Max and a chance to experiment with the raw DMG files. They in fact are just like any DNG, quite flexible and able to be pushed an pulled in the directions we would like. I will be using that over the .JPG, for sure.
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I have my iPhone 13 Pro Max and a chance to experiment with the raw DMG files. They in fact are just like any DNG, quite flexible and able to be pushed an pulled in the directions we would like. I will be using that over the .JPG, for sure.
I think I'll wait for the next generation, but please let us know how it goes!
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Driving up into the Leelanau Peninsula of northern Michigan, looking at possible places to move, while waiting for an appointment, we followed a winding road until it stopped with this look at Lake Michigan, high above the shore. Here is a quick shot using the iPhone 13 Pro Max and the raw DNG option. This clearly shows me the use of raw on these new phones is very worthwhile. No, it's not perfect, but I can see the advantage of shooting raw with these little cameras.
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Driving up into the Leelanau Peninsula of northern Michigan, looking at possible places to move, while waiting for an appointment, we followed a winding road until it stopped with this look at Lake Michigan, high above the shore. Here is a quick shot using the iPhone 13 Pro Max and the raw DNG option. This clearly shows me the use of raw on these new phones is very worthwhile. No, it's not perfect, but I can see the advantage of shooting raw with these little cameras.
Michael, how did you process the DNG file? Did you apply the unsharp mask heavily? I observe strong halo around the foliage.
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Michael, how did you process the DNG file? Did you apply the unsharp mask heavily? I observe strong halo around the foliage.
No, I may have used 'smart sharpen," but that's it. This kind of shot is for web. I see more flexibility compared to .JPG.
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No, I may have used 'smart sharpen," but that's it. This kind of shot is for web. I see more flexibility compared to .JPG.
Thank you for the technical detail. I was quite impressed by the quality of the RAW files even on the 1st gen. iPhone SE that I used. But the JPEG files yielded from the current smartphones are generally quite impressive, and it can be more and more challenging to beat them by processing RAW files.
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I have the iPhone SE II, and am generally pleased with the images it produces. My biggest complaint is landscape pictures often render skies too dark/blue away from the horizon line. It is too obvious to me, and looks unnatural like a poor HDR attempt.
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I have the iPhone SE II, and am generally pleased with the images it produces. My biggest complaint is landscape pictures often render skies too dark/blue away from the horizon line. It is too obvious to me, and looks unnatural like a poor HDR attempt.
Currently, I have SE II as well. The camera appears to apply HDR automatically in the contrasty situation. The image looks over-processed, but that's how all smartphone camears works. ::)