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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Birna Rørslett on September 03, 2021, 19:50:07

Title: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Birna Rørslett on September 03, 2021, 19:50:07
The ultrasmall Meike fisheye 3.5mm f/2.8 has an impressive 220° angle of view. Just like the enormous Fisheye-Nikkor 6mm f/2.8 that Erik hauled around in Scotland during our 2016NG trip, but weighs 190g compared to > 5 kg.

I purchased the Meiko on a whim, admittedly, partly because it was offered very cheap partly for its potential use on my Olympus E-M1.2 in an underwater housing. After I few tries I retired the lens for that purpose and only when I later this summer got the Z Fc I was tempted to explore the tiny Fisheye again. It fits the Z camera through an m43-Z adapter, no problem, and of course will draw the full circle as the DX format is larger that its targeted sensor size.

I found the lens is quite sharp and with some judicious processing, the chromatic aberrations can be kept at a minimum. The überwide angle of view means you frequently get your hands, face, shoes or legs inside the frame. The consolation of course is anything near the periphery will be rendered small.

The image below indicates the Meike can deliver the goods as it were. In my neighbourhood we have a lot of ancient burial mounds, most of which are thousands of years old. The municipal planners try to ignore these when they plan a development as they only too well know a protected artefact will cost time, money, and efforts due to the mandatory archaeological excavations. However, many of these mounds are substantially sized thus not so easily "overlooked". The next best approach then apparently is "writing" the mound itself into the development scheme, in this case letting it stand in the middle of a new school yard.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Jack Dahlgren on September 03, 2021, 23:00:07
Very nice. The story helps the image as I find myself looking more closely at it for clues.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Luc on September 04, 2021, 00:15:48
Fantastic shot and great use of that Meike Fisheye. I'm very interested in using this lens on my Olympus cameras.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Erik Lund on September 04, 2021, 00:59:26
Amazing it’s so small  great composition and light
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Bill De Jager on September 04, 2021, 01:03:09
Amazing it’s so small  great composition and light

Outstanding!
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: MEPER on September 04, 2021, 09:33:24
I wonder how close the lens is to the tree?
How does a 100% crop looks like of the leaves?
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Birna Rørslett on September 04, 2021, 10:49:40
I wonder how close the lens is to the tree?
How does a 100% crop looks like of the leaves?

I was approx. 1m away from the nearest tree.

The requested 100% crop is below. I can identify the tree as Betula pendula Silver Birch from the leaf shape and  the doubly serrated edges. Not bad for such a cheap little lens.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: MEPER on September 04, 2021, 11:27:33
Is it also known as "curly birch"?     ......good for knife handles with nice pattern. Old Mora knives used that kind of handles. I have a couple. Looks nice.

Yes, good sharpness.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Birna Rørslett on September 04, 2021, 11:44:30
Cancer creates growth aberrations. This holds for both main large birch species in the Nordic region, viz. Silver Birch Betula pendula and Downy Birch B. pubescens.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: MEPER on September 04, 2021, 12:26:07
That kind of tree-cancer is more "artistic" than usual cancer as shown on birch-handle of one of my vintage Mora knives.
I wonder if the "curling" creates a harder wood. Maybe a little "off-topic" but something with birch.
I wonder how the knife will look if shoot with a 220 degree fisheye. If centered horizontal or vertical it will probably look close to "normal"?
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Michael Erlewine on September 07, 2021, 02:14:15
Does anyone have a link for Amazon, B&H, or Ebay for an adapter for this lens to the Nikon Z7, please?
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Birna Rørslett on September 07, 2021, 09:15:22
Enter 'm43 to nikon z' in the search field of eBay or one of the other sites and there should be lots of options to choose from.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Michael Erlewine on September 07, 2021, 09:17:43
Enter 'm43 to nikon z' in the search field of eBay or one of the other sites and there should be lots of options to choose from.

By 'M43" you mean "M4/3?" as in Micro Four Three, correct?
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Birna Rørslett on September 07, 2021, 09:52:07
That's right. The Meike is designed for m4/3.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Michael Erlewine on September 07, 2021, 09:56:44
That's right. The Meike is designed for m4/3.

Got it. I was reading it as 43... like 43mm or something. Just dumb on my part. I ordered an adapter and the lens. I have always been fascinated by ultra wide angle lenses and wondered hold folks could produce some of the very close ultra-wide images of like a bug or butterfly large (super close) and everything around it in good focus. I will check it out. Thanks.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Kim Pilegaard on September 07, 2021, 10:08:41
Got it. I was reading it as 43... like 43mm or something. Just dumb on my part. I ordered an adapter and the lens. I have always been fascinated by ultra wide angle lenses and wondered hold folks could produce some of the very close ultra-wide images of like a bug or butterfly large (super close) and everything around it in good focus. I will check it out. Thanks.

The Laowa 15mm f/4 Wide Angle Macro is supposed to be excellent for ultra-wide macro with the background in focus. Does anyone have experience with that lens?
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Birna Rørslett on September 07, 2021, 10:33:52
People tend to forget, and might I say with good help from the advertising, that depth of field becomes largely independent of focal length when you get into the close-up region. Thus we should NOT think of a 'macro' image with background in focus, as this is not possible (except using camera/lens movements, but then the issue is with the objects taller or lower than the intersection of the focal plane to the subject).

Instead it's about the illusion created by a background blur with smaller circles of confusion. Thus the background with a short focal length lens  will not look as a pure wash of colours, there will be unevenness to it and in some cases the eye 'resolves' enough of the blur to identify some part of the background. However, by no stretch of imagination the background will become 'in focus'.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: MEPER on September 07, 2021, 12:56:57
Some "wide macro" examples?
https://www.venuslens.net/product/laowa-15mm-f/ (https://www.venuslens.net/product/laowa-15mm-f/)
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: MEPER on September 07, 2021, 13:07:21
More examples here?
https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/07/16/wide-angle-macro-photography-close-ups-with-impact-part-1 (https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/07/16/wide-angle-macro-photography-close-ups-with-impact-part-1)
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Birna Rørslett on September 07, 2021, 13:38:49
I see no contradictions to my general statement here. 'Recognisable' and 'sharp' are different concepts.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Kim Pilegaard on September 07, 2021, 14:20:30
I see no contradictions to my general statement here. 'Recognisable' and 'sharp' are different concepts.
Of course you (Birna) are correct. Maybe we should just call the background of a wide angle macro shot "less unsharp".
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Birna Rørslett on September 07, 2021, 15:10:02
That would go a long way towards clarifying any issue, definitively.
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: richardHaw on September 07, 2021, 15:19:53
i wonder how this looks like in FX :o :o :o
Title: Re: Meike 3.5mm f/2.8 Circular Fisheye
Post by: Birna Rørslett on September 07, 2021, 15:30:58
The image circle won't be bigger.