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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: Netr on June 29, 2021, 06:12:05
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New retro Z mount DX camera plus silver version of existing DX 16-50 lens plus 28mm pancake lens.
https://www.nikon.com/news/2021/0629_mirrorless_01.htm
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A couple of Aussie links in the same vein:
https://view.mcd.nikon.com/?qs=b5be78d31f4ba5c89c8c245f8a95e43c7159606bf30793dfa8ec822b8030770a60f570ad45512dfd93fc721ae54e36431127e4877f98a77ca8d04692643481e4b8777da51729a9df5dcf2e0324bcabbd8823eb1cf916893c
and
https://email.teds.com.au/6S14-4DCL-4F601F1117DD5C681VS7XNFB0116235BA5F86C/cr.aspx
Australian prices incude 10% GST and $A1.00 = $US0.77, So $2k for the body and twin zoom lens kit (no 28mm in this kit) is around $US1,400 (without tax added).
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The "iconic launch event"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pm-V4h8e-I
A Panda digital FM? Paint it black
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This new 28/2.8 has a nice look, though. An eerie reminder of the 50mm f/1.8 "retro" Nikkor accompanying the Nikon Df (2013).
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(https://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/NIKKOR-Z-28mm-f2.8-SE-lens-design.png)
i used to see lens design as beautiful works-of-art but i cant say the same for the current lenses but oh well... :o :o :o
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For beautifully designed and made lenses we still have Voigtländer ;)
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I find the lack of a chrome grab ring a major annoyance when changing lenses. In my view the retro AF-S 50/1.8G should have been the only version of the AF-S 50/1.8G.
Dave
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This new 28/2.8 has a nice look, though. An eerie reminder of the 50mm f/1.8 "retro" Nikkor accompanying the Nikon Df (2013).
The look and the "SE" designation reminded me of "Series E". :D
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The "iconic launch event"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pm-V4h8e-I
A Panda digital FM? Paint it black
I dry retched after a minute and had to pour a gin. :-(
But yes, a black one would reduce the anguish somewhat.
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The Z fc is the first Z-series camera to adopt a heritage design
This quote smells like other models are coming and technically there should be no limitations to spoon in an FX sensor into the same body.
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Perhaps. The Zfc uses the smaller EN-25 battery (shared with Z50). If the larger battery of the FX range is to be used, part of the camera body has to be redesigned.
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i actually like the heritage design more than the new Z lens design language :o :o :o
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Wow Nikon went all in with this one, proves Df was a success ;) Now with added video also.
Will be the camera for old rangefinder lenses.
20 MP flip flop screen for v loggers and a grip option for larger hands.
The 28mm f/2,8 should be amazing IQ and it's FX
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This would be a game changer for new and amateur photographers - Narcissist Vloggers with the flip screen and as a spare light body.
The entry price point is spot on and I am eying the Mint Green version which goes with my green shoes 8)
The new 28/2.8 pricing of app USD300 is less than the price of a dinner for two!
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Even though I would prefer all black, a pink Zfc is entirely acceptable :)
As I tend to use the Z50 mainly with old rangefinder lenses, it could easily be replaced by an Zfc. That would make for a very compact and handy outfit. Add a modern Laowa manual lens in Z-mount such as the 11mm f/4.5 to round off the kit.
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pink is one of my favorite colors :o :o :o
however i am not buying this as its DX ::) nothing wrong with that but its just not my thing
this is more like a fuji killer than anything else if you ask me.
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Nikon have an unusually strong push on social media launching the Zfc: with predictable targets.
Actually this DX MILC is quite a bit more than the Z50, including expanded AF capabilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bfp5RJCjdI
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JzH2z6TbXQ
The Zfc could become a good seller, including among the younger cohorts of customers entirely new to using an ILC for real photography.
One has to wonder how much millennials andhigh school kids know about the technical aspects of digitial photography. But some Zfc owners will soon learn the nuances about FX vs DX etc, and add more lenses, perhaps a FTZ too.... and so learn about the classic Nikkors out there... also seeing what older glass was used/ and still is delivering on the classic film cameras (including FM2 bodies). A ZFc should also sell to those who began their photography with a FM2 or similar.
Nevertheless, the marketing slant to use older Legacy lenses with the Zfc opens up the recurring question. Where is the FTZ adapter with an Aperture-Indexing ring and full support of Screwdriver AF ?!? See this video by Nikon Europe which includes a strong pitch for compatibility with legacy F-Nikkors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pm-V4h8e-I
All in all, if Zfc attracts newcomers to Nikon, it's worked for the designers to help grow the Z System. Thus, a great idea acted on by Nikon!
If Nikon marketing is shrewd, handing out a couple of these new cameras to high profile instagrammers will demonstrate its capabilities to many in the target audience. It will not take much effort to highlight how much camera you get for the price of a smartphone + big bonuses of Greater Nikon Ecosystem of lenses made over the past 6 decades.
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A disappointment for me is the lack of a function button on the front of the camera below the preview button. I use the AF-ON button since its introduction and I've used the FV lock feature since I guess the D2H. I would hope the AE-L/AF-L button can be remapped as an AF-ON button but then where do I map and FV lock button. Did I miss something?
Dave
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The new camera looks very similar to the fuji x-t3 I own
I use it frequently with a 27mm f2.8 lens due to its small size
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It is a pity that Nikon lacks a suitable range of lenses for it. Even legacy lenses are a bit awkward with the DX-sized sensor because the range of focal lengths were made for what is now FX-size.
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Plus, using F-mount lenses requires FTZ or similar, adding to the perceived bulk.
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The proper comparison with classical Nikons is imho not the FM or FM2(a), not the FE or the FE2 but the FA from 1983. The FA introduced the PSAM selector, resulting in a inconsistent interface. For both P and S modes the lens had to be set at the smallest aperture (the at the time newly released Ais lenses were marked orange at smallest f-stop for that), and turning the shutter speed dial in P or A mode resulted in nothing happening...
In contrast e.g. the Fuji's are consistent; both aperture ring(s) and shutter speed dial have an A setting; set both to A and camera is in P mode.
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The proper comparison with classical Nikons is imho not the FM or FM2(a), not the FE or the FE2 but the FA from 1983. The FA introduced the PSAM selector, resulting in a inconsistent interface. For both P and S modes the lens had to be set at the smallest aperture (the at the time newly released Ais lenses were marked orange at smallest f-stop for that), and turning the shutter speed dial in P or A mode resulted in nothing happening...
In contrast e.g. the Fuji's are consistent; both aperture ring(s) and shutter speed dial have an A setting; set both to A and camera is in P mode.
Agreed, the Fuji implementation seems very clean, but the Nikon approach allows for changing between aperture and shutter priority with only one switch while keeping the previous setting in place, allowing for quicker operation. With the Fuji, to switch from shutter to aperture priority you need to move two dials - the shutter dial to A and the aperture dial away from A. Also, by not forcing the dial to A, it can be used for other functions instead, such as setting minimum ISO.
The new camera does look nice, and overall feels like a better analogue/digital hybrid than the Df. Lack of IBIS is disappointing, and Nikon could do with a few more DX lenses to go with it.
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Now that I see the announcment out I#d say its the "camera for the Chic" - and Nikon aiming at that (a bit similar they had triedwith the Nikon 1 J-series). I find it really a beautiful and attractive design, maybe the most beautiful camera body Nikon has currently available. For the aimed customer DX or FX may be irrelevant. Its not for me. I would probably buy it if it was full format.
Nikonrumors is announcing it with "high resolution" sensor, but 9MP can't considered to be very high BTW
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Now that I see the announcment out I#d say its the "camera for the Chic" - and Nikon aiming at that (a bit similar they had triedwith the Nikon 1 J-series). I find it really a beautiful and attractive design, maybe the most beautiful camera body Nikon has currently available. For the aimed customer DX or FX may be irrelevant. Its not for me. I would probably buy it if it was full format.
Nikonrumors is announcing it with "high resolution" sensor, but 9MP can't considered to be very high BTW
It is 21.5mp. Not 9.
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Seems like there is no wired remote support, only smart phone, just like Z50. :( That does not really agree with the retro philosophy.
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Seems like there is no wired remote support, only smart phone, just like Z50. :( That does not really agree with the retro philosophy.
That's a great pity. I wonder if a remote release could be made using the USB-C connector to control the camera?
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That's a great pity. I wonder if a remote release could be made using the USB-C connector to control the camera?
Not in a simple way, but an astrophotography control program apparently might support the USB protocols:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4500048 (https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4500048)
"Cobberwebb in Re: Z50 for Astrophotography?
In reply to halai • 3 months ago
Hi,
I'm using a Z50 at the moment with the 50-250mm kit lens.
Here you can see a few of my latest images: https://stargazerslounge.com/topic/372654-andromeda-full-moon/
2 issues with the Z50:
1. You need to use something like qDslrDashboard for long exposures as you can't connect an intervalometer. I connect it via USB to a spare android phone.
2. Battery life is a little short 2.5hrs-3hrs constant use, and I can't find ANY in stock at the moment, they are also expensive.
Other than that, it's a great little camera for astrophotography, just remember it has a crop sensor, so for wide shots a 14mm lens turns into 21mm."
There are some more clues in this thread with apparently BackYard Nikon and at least one other program supporting Z50, both running on a PC.
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/683348-has-anyone-tried-a-nikon-z50-yet-for-astro/ (https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/683348-has-anyone-tried-a-nikon-z50-yet-for-astro/)
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The ancient small remotes should work. I am not sure how they connect, but these things usually work like a dream
https://www.google.co.jp/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.bhphoto.com%2Fimages%2Fimages500x500%2FNikon_4730_1456939217_207373.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bhphotovideo.com%2Fc%2Fproduct%2F207373-USA%2FNikon_4730.html&tbnid=umiW92mQyGeMaM&vet=12ahUKEwiugLn0877xAhXJ1GEKHWIjC0AQMygBegUIARC2Ag..i&docid=6y2uYd2ii-ASDM&w=500&h=500&q=nikon%20remote&hl=en-jp&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwiugLn0877xAhXJ1GEKHWIjC0AQMygBegUIARC2Ag
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The ancient small remotes should work. I am not sure how they connect, but these things usually work like a dream
https://www.google.co.jp/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.bhphoto.com%2Fimages%2Fimages500x500%2FNikon_4730_1456939217_207373.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bhphotovideo.com%2Fc%2Fproduct%2F207373-USA%2FNikon_4730.html&tbnid=umiW92mQyGeMaM&vet=12ahUKEwiugLn0877xAhXJ1GEKHWIjC0AQMygBegUIARC2Ag..i&docid=6y2uYd2ii-ASDM&w=500&h=500&q=nikon%20remote&hl=en-jp&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwiugLn0877xAhXJ1GEKHWIjC0AQMygBegUIARC2Ag
Only ML-L7 Bluetooth Remote Control is listed under accessories so there is likely no IR remote sensor:
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/photography-accessories/mirrorless-camera-accessories.page#!/tag:7WA:Remotes%20and%20Releases/product:Z-fc:Z%20fc (https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/photography-accessories/mirrorless-camera-accessories.page#!/tag:7WA:Remotes%20and%20Releases/product:Z-fc:Z%20fc)
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I really think that the old screw-in release should have been implemented :o :o :o
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Only ML-L7 Bluetooth Remote Control is listed under accessories so there is likely no IR remote sensor:
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/photography-accessories/mirrorless-camera-accessories.page#!/tag:7WA:Remotes%20and%20Releases/product:Z-fc:Z%20fc (https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/photography-accessories/mirrorless-camera-accessories.page#!/tag:7WA:Remotes%20and%20Releases/product:Z-fc:Z%20fc)
Thanks for this tip, I wonder if anyone here has experience with this product? I just would like to know how easy or difficult it is to pair and if there are any hassles like there was with the first versions of Snapbridge (and sometimes also with newer ones, especially with older cameras).
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I really think that the old screw-in release should have been implemented :o :o :o
I think Nikon tried hard to make the camera really small, so it may be that the 10-pin connector would've taken too much space or interfered with the aesthetics they were aiming for.
In the Z lineup none of the current cameras use the 10-pin round screwed connector, but the Z9 might.
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I think Nikon tried hard to make the camera really small, so it may be that the 10-pin connector would've taken too much space or interfered with the aesthetics they were aiming for.
In the Z lineup none of the current cameras use the 10-pin round screwed connector, but the Z9 might.
no not the 10-pin, i am taking about the shutter :o :o :o
like in the Df
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no not the 10-pin, i am taking about the shutter :o :o :o
like in the Df
I see. Yes, that would have made things easier.
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The "iconic launch event"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pm-V4h8e-I
A Panda digital FM? Paint it black
My sentiments, exactly!
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Even though I would prefer all black, a pink Zfc is entirely acceptable :)
As I tend to use the Z50 mainly with old rangefinder lenses, it could easily be replaced by an Zfc. That would make for a very compact and handy outfit. Add a modern Laowa manual lens in Z-mount such as the 11mm f/4.5 to round off the kit.
I could rock a panda, no problem. However pink would render it theft-proof, in my world. And make me a lot of new friends, in the bargain. It hadn't occurred to me, what a good platform for old rangefinder lenses this camera line is. Would it mount a PB-5 bellows and clear the viewfinder housing, without necessitating a "spacer" such as a K-ring or some such?
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My daughter was about to buy the Z50 but after having seen the Zfc, she decided to wait and buy the Zfc instead. A sign the retro design appeals to the younger generation?
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Nikon have an unusually strong push on social media launching the Zfc: with predictable targets.
Actually this DX MILC is quite a bit more than the Z50, including expanded AF capabilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bfp5RJCjdI
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JzH2z6TbXQ
The Zfc could become a good seller, including among the younger cohorts of customers entirely new to using an ILC for real photography.
One has to wonder how much millennials andhigh school kids know about the technical aspects of digitial photography. But some Zfc owners will soon learn the nuances about FX vs DX etc, and add more lenses, perhaps a FTZ too.... and so learn about the classic Nikkors out there... also seeing what older glass was used/ and still is delivering on the classic film cameras (including FM2 bodies). A ZFc should also sell to those who began their photography with a FM2 or similar.
Nevertheless, the marketing slant to use older Legacy lenses with the Zfc opens up the recurring question. Where is the FTZ adapter with an Aperture-Indexing ring and full support of Screwdriver AF ?!? See this video by Nikon Europe which includes a strong pitch for compatibility with legacy F-Nikkors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pm-V4h8e-I
All in all, if Zfc attracts newcomers to Nikon, it's worked for the designers to help grow the Z System. Thus, a great idea acted on by Nikon!
If Nikon marketing is shrewd, handing out a couple of these new cameras to high profile instagrammers will demonstrate its capabilities to many in the target audience. It will not take much effort to highlight how much camera you get for the price of a smartphone + big bonuses of Greater Nikon Ecosystem of lenses made over the past 6 decades.
Those of us who had little alternative, or financial incentive, then to rock our Dx bodies -- such as the venerable D300/s -- for a seeming eternity may well be receptive to this new camera. As an analog to my Fx camera and lenses, this could be the realization of the elusive "digital FE" fools and fakers such as I have long pined for. Moreover, if it would take to legacy glass without issue, I would consider it very much a fait accompli -- if the price is right.
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The new Z 28/2.8 lens has a plastic mount ! WTF :-X
This new 28/2.8 has a nice look, though. An eerie reminder of the 50mm f/1.8 "retro" Nikkor accompanying the Nikon Df (2013).
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I am sure that the Zfc will be a nice start to her Nikon journey.
My daughter was about to buy the Z50 but after having seen the Zfc, she decided to wait and buy the Zfc instead. A sign the retro design appeals to the younger generation?
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The new Z 28/2.8 lens has a plastic mount ! WTF :-X
This 28/2.8 lens is also announced as a "native" Z-lens?
If this is true then the "native" Z-lens is probably with metal mount?
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The new Z 28/2.8 lens has a plastic mount ! WTF :-X
I have a plastic boat. It is better than a metal one. The larger Z mount makes forces on the mount less than F mount. Not all plastic is bad. Not all metal is good.
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Not sure if anyone else was wondering, but why APS-C?
Do you think they will release full frame ZFF next? :)
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It all depends on how successful the Zfc will be in the market.
Not sure if anyone else was wondering, but why APS-C?
Do you think they will release full frame ZFF next? :)
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It all depends on how successful the Zfc will be in the market.
I think this is a common marketing tactics. Release a cool product with something to desire, the release another product to grab the rest of customers.
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It looks like I don not need to buy a silver Z-fc : a retiring colleague just gave me his old Nikon FE, in near-mint condition. They look vaguely similar.
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It looks like I don not need to buy a silver Z-fc : a retiring colleague just gave me his old Nikon FE, in near-mint condition. They look vaguely similar.
FE with lower and bigger logo piece, smaller mount and general better proportion between elements looks much better, if we are talking about the look...
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NIKON should offer a version without video or auto-focus, at higher cost.That would grab my i interest, and full frame option, which would grab me. Still, it is a refreshingly different camera, and I love its "mechanical" retro features.
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If the pink version is delivered to my country, I definitively *need* to order it. Of course, not necessary as I have far too many cameras and not enough time to spend with them all, but there is such an attraction to using a pink camera :) I do have the J2 in pink version, but this is a rather dumbed-down model unfortunately thus sees little use due to its crippled nature.
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If the pink version is delivered to my country, I definitively *need* to order it. Of course, not necessary as I have far too many cameras and not enough time to spend with them all, but there is such an attraction to using a pink camera :) I do have the J2 in pink version, but this is a rather dumbed-down model unfortunately thus sees little use due to its crippled nature.
HOT PINK on black would definitely sell very well :o :o :o
i love pink.
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Well the B787 is pretty much a plastic aeroplane; ditto its latest Airbus counterparts. The Hawker Harrier Jump Jet had a plastic wing - none of which failed in over 40 years of service.
I have a plastic boat. It is better than a metal one. The larger Z mount makes forces on the mount less than F mount. Not all plastic is bad. Not all metal is good.
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i will skip this one, maybe i will buy one for fun on the used market many years after its introduction :o :o :o
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i saw a couple of people making reservations already here :o :o :o
looks like nikons got another hit this time ::)
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The Nikon 1 System with the so called 1" sensor had a number of interesting colour combinations - for both the lenses and the camera bodies.
Nikon completely and utterly botched up the marketing of that promising system.
Let us hope that they have learned a lesson from the Nikon 1 marketing failure and do better with the Zfc (and the Df MkII??). There are only so many of the flagship D-x calibre of cameras that any camera maker can sell, so for economic survival reasons Nikon must learn how to sell lesser systems as well as the top models - which tend to sell themselves anyway!
HOT PINK on black would definitely sell very well :o :o :o
i love pink.
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The Nikon 1 could have been the basis of an excellent mirrorless system. It was not just the marketing that went wrong. It was also the ergonomics, which were poor. Nikon has made a number of false starts in the last ten years, including the Df (I know this is heresy here, but it was not a success in business terms).
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OK, I have ordered the Zfc. Unfortunately, they don't come in pink in my country, but if the camera proves to be worth its while, a pink version can join it later :)
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Birna, you resisted for about 48 hours which is quite a feat :D
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Actually, the delay was caused by being on the road without 'net access :)
I got the first Df to the Nordic countries (Oct. 2013) and have used the Df as my work horses to this day. The Z system is in some instances "better", in other aspects "worse". I assume there will be possible to get passable images from any of the two systems. My DSLRs other than the Df have fallen mostly into disuse the last years and only serve me special purposes (studio macro etc., UV). There is nothing wrong with the DSLRs of course, however my current work load doesn't require them. I considered the D850 for stacking, but ended up with Z7 instead.
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Birna, send me all your cameras, I'll put pink leather on them :)
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Is it same sensor as Z50?
If Z-fc had in-body stabilization it would be nice but I don't think is has?
In-body stabilization is what I miss most on Z50.
I think the DX-format was meant to be "the" digital format when Nikon introduced it.
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The new Z 28/2.8 lens has a plastic mount ! WTF :-X
It's also an f/2.8 and FX. A same size Z DX 28/2.0 or 1.8 with metal in the build would appeal to me. This lens is clearly intended to be "relatively" inexpensive.
WTF indeed!
Dave
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Is it same sensor as Z50?
If Z-fc had in-body stabilization it would be nice but I don't think is has?
In-body stabilization is what I miss most on Z50.
I think the DX-format was meant to be "the" digital format when Nikon introduced it.
IBIS requires extra hardware, weight and depth of the camera body plus costs. I have a hunch a forthcoming (if) Z70 or Z90 (a mirrorless alternative to the D500) will have IBIS in a slightly thicker body. Olympus managed to combine superior IBIS in a very compact body because the M43 sensor is smaller and lighter than a DX and FX sensor.
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I hoped Nikon would create a mirrorless " Df 2" but this Dx Z-fc is not what I hoped....
Certainly, it's lightweight, compact, beautiful (I think so), and also cheap (compared with D500)...
But: it's only Dx, no compact Z lenses (compared with Fuji lenses), not so good Ai-Ais or F lenses compatibility (less than a Df), viewfinder inferior to Z5 (2,36Mpix), no vibration-reduction in-body...no classic cable release...
I'm a bit disappointed...! If Nikon produced good compact Dx and Fx lenses, I could change my mind...
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It's also an f/2.8 and FX. A same size Z DX 28/2.0 or 1.8 with metal in the build would appeal to me. This lens is clearly intended to be "relatively" inexpensive.
Dave
Not a lot has been said about the new 28mm lens yet. I agree it would have been nicer if it were faster than f/2.8. Even f/2.5 would be nice, making it a useful half stop faster than zooms covering the same focal length. I think f/1.8 or f/2 in the same size would compromise the optical design too much, or would have to be a DX lens. To maintain the same optical standards of the other FX 1.8 primes, it would need to be at least as big as the Z 35/1.8.
The outer appearance is obviously designed to mirror the older AI and AIS lenses. The lower part is styled like the old aperture rings but it appears to be a fixed part of the barrel. It's disappointing that it does not have a real aperture (or control) ring. In this respect I prefer the design of Fuji and Sony lenses with their dedicated aperture rings. I guess this section provides a useful surface for gripping the lens when attaching or removing from the camera, but the lens also has a chrome grab-ring similar to AI lenses. So much of the styling of this lens is for show rather than functional. I guess the "focus ring" can be configured to control the aperture or exposure compensation like the f/1.8 primes. Maybe this is useful a useful feature but it seems odd to control these functions using a focus ring :o
It even keeps the same 52mm filter size as AI lenses. I think it is a shame the new Z 50mm micro, 24-50 and 16-50 don't share the same filter size, it would be nice to see some standardization in Z lenses.
The optical design is interesting, with a small front element and progressively larger lenses towards the rear, including two aspherical elements. It focuses to 0.19m, a shade less than the AIS 28/2.8. The maximum reproduction ratio is only 1:5, compared to 1:3.9 for the AIS lens, probably due to focal length shortening at close range.
(https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/z-mount/z_28mmf28_se/img/lensconstruction.png)
The MTF is very high within the DX image circle. Performance towards the FX corners drops off but is still relatively good:
(https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/z-mount/z_28mmf28_se/img/mtf.png)
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I was briefly interested in the Nikon Z fc but it's aimed at different market than I'm in. I want something as small and light as a Nikon FE2 but with AF back button and FV lock. The DX format is fine. If you want more background blurring you use FX, if you want less you use DX. It's a choice if you own both. A fast 28mm Z DX lens in addition to the 28/2.8 SE Z FX would be fine. I guess trying to make the new 28/2.8 look like an old AIS Nikkor is OK but I do see how the "Special Addition" for extra cost to provide nothing more than a grab ring is disgusting to many.
I hope Nikon is very successful with the Z fc and I realize some of the things I want don't matter to many. I must admit I like the look of the Nikon Z fc however "Form Follows Function" so I'll pass.
Dave
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https://www.fujiya-camera.co.jp/shop/g/gC4960759909275/
the 28/2.8Z is for sale separately, quite cheaply, too :o :o :o from october.
according to my sources, the response has been very good and backorder will look like nikon df situation or even more.
i just realized how easy it is to knock the exposure compensation dial off...something like this should have a lock ::)