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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Nikfuson on December 18, 2020, 13:00:05

Title: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 18, 2020, 13:00:05
Got the two to compare and first off a vignetting test.
In-camera vignetting control turned off and focus at infinity.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 18, 2020, 13:21:21
Focus shift at close range (ca. 1m).
The red dot next to the bar code for reference.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Airy on December 18, 2020, 14:48:36
Strange outlier at f/1.8. If real, it is easy to avoid that stop.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 18, 2020, 15:17:00
Strange outlier at f/1.8. If real, it is easy to avoid that stop.

I see now that I put the red dot in the wrong place in the 1.8 sample. Will correct it.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Akira on December 18, 2020, 15:29:20
To my eyes, the point of focus (not the red dot) remains the same at f1.8 and smaller.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Jack Dahlgren on December 18, 2020, 18:46:31
I see now that I put the red dot in the wrong place in the 1.8 sample. Will correct it.

I agree. Think the true point of focus is slightly above the red dot, almost to the bar just above the one indicated.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nasos Kosmas on December 18, 2020, 19:52:47
I agree. Think the true point of focus is slightly above the red dot, almost to the bar just above the one indicated.
Yes corresponds to number 3 not 0
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 19, 2020, 13:02:06
I agree. Think the true point of focus is slightly above the red dot, almost to the bar just above the one indicated.

The red dot was just meant to be a reference, not at the exact point of focus.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 19, 2020, 13:06:09
Here is the 1.2 at long distance focus. Vignetting correction applied to ease judgement of sharpness.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 19, 2020, 13:26:21
So, what is the practical optical difference one might ask? Shallower DOG...eh, DOF.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 19, 2020, 13:56:14
Here the 1.2 version.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Airy on December 19, 2020, 15:35:27
f/1.2 would better suit short-nosed dogs.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 20, 2020, 11:37:53
"Portrait" shot with the two lenses.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 20, 2020, 11:39:23
Ball games.
First the 1.2, then the 1.8 at full openings.
Then both at 2.8.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 20, 2020, 11:40:23
2.8
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: John Geerts on December 20, 2020, 12:16:02
Thanks for testing Sten.

Actually this does proof that the 1.8 is a great lens ;)  I would expect to see larger differences between a 1.2 and a 1.8 lens...
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Fons Baerken on December 20, 2020, 13:13:36
Mentioned before there seems to be a difference in focal between the 1,2 or 1,8 versions.
Suppose you want the 1,2 version for wide open performance and the rest for the 1,8 which seems to be doing
excellent in the comparison.
Thanks for the reviews, Sten.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 20, 2020, 18:43:19
Field of curvature (at near distance obviously).
F/1.2
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Tristin on December 20, 2020, 19:15:11
#12 really demonstrates how superior the 1.2S's (lack of) field curvature is to the Ai/Ai-s.  My Ai-s taking the same shot would have displayed it's signature fishbowl look in the background.  That alone solves, imo, the Ai/Ai-s' most significant problem.

Can we get some light star demonstrations?

Thanks Sten!
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Eddie Draaisma on December 20, 2020, 20:46:10
To me the onion rings in the F/1.8 version seem to be the most striking difference between the two lenses.
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Nikfuson on December 21, 2020, 07:32:55
Starshots
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: Øivind Tøien on December 21, 2020, 12:07:49
Some coma/astigmatism showing on the 50 f/1.2 S on the brighter stars in the corners. Assuming both are wide open, the performance 1/3-1 stop down can be of interest.
The 50 f/1.8 S capture actually looks better, although there are traces of the same. Both look excellent compared to the 50 f/1.8G - as I recall stopping down several stops was needed for acceptable results even on a DX sensor, so I have not been inspired to use that focal length for astrophotography again.
 
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: richardHaw on December 21, 2020, 12:36:08
still a lot better than the original NOCT :o :o :o
https://richardhaw.com/2016/09/25/repair-noct-nikkor-58mm-f1-2-ai-s/

(https://richardhaw.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/dsc_3805-2.jpg?w=831&h=&zoom=2)

Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: ColinM on December 21, 2020, 18:20:41
still a lot better than the original NOCT :o :o :o]

Mmm, does this mean a new generation has genuinely arrived?
More power to the march of the S line :)
Title: Re: Z Nikkor 50/1.2S vs. 50/1.8S
Post by: richardHaw on December 22, 2020, 01:40:51
Mmm, does this mean a new generation has genuinely arrived?
More power to the march of the S line :)

even the 58/1.4G shows better performance than this :o :o :o