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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: Erik Lund on October 09, 2019, 08:21:45
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Looks like Nikon APS-C Mirrorless Z50 is the next addition to the Z line.
I must admit that I'm not impressed by the looks of the lens and camera, but ok,,, as long as the images deliver ;)
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From Nikon Rumors:
Nikon Z50 price: €900 in most European countries (around $980)
Nikon Z50 kit price with the new Nikkor Z 16-55mm (or 16-50mm) f/3.5-6.3 VR lens: €1,100 (around $1,200)
The Nikon Z50 will have a rear screen that can be tilted downwards for selfies but it will not work with selfie sticks
4k video
Maximum shutter speed: 1/4000
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Looks better here.
https://nikonrumors.com/2019/10/08/more-nikon-z50-leaks.aspx/#more-139150
At least it has a EVF, not just the screen on the back ;)
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Maximum shutter speed: 1/4000
I hope there is a B(ulb) setting also, so one can get longer exposures than 1/4000…
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;D
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I must admit that I'm not impressed by the looks of the lens and camera, but ok,,, as long as the images deliver ;)
Its ugly like the whole Z-Series and wont win a design price, but as you said as long as it enables good results and bring revenue to Nikon its OK
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I like the look of the Z series personally, best EVF hump of all the MILC IMO. Z50 with the 16-50 looks very compact. Being a prime lover, I would still like to see Z pancakes . . . but with how compact the 16-50 is . . . I can't say I see Nikon giving us pancakes anytime soon, it practically is a pancake when retracted. I don't see anything to complain about for those looking for compact quality. Looks at least as compact, if not more, as the MFT options.
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https://twitter.com/nokishita_c (https://twitter.com/nokishita_c)
These apertures?
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These apertures?
As I would expect. Very few people using a Z50/16-50 are going to use images for anything but social media, where ISO 51k can still look good. The typical user of said combo would rather have a smaller package than an extra stop, which they likely don't know of anyhow.
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https://twitter.com/nokishita_c (https://twitter.com/nokishita_c)
These apertures?
Oh, no joystick?!
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Oh, no joystick?!
No surprise to me, this isn't the Mirrorless D500. In fact, I am surprised it has custom function buttons.
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No surprise to me, this isn't the Mirrorless D500. In fact, I am surprised it has custom function buttons.
I think a joystick is essential for a camera with hundreds of AF points. It is a big mistake for Canon to omit joysticks to EOS R/RP.
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I think a joystick is essential for a camera with hundreds of AF points.
I doubt many people who will carry around a Z50/16-50 are interested in straying from fully automated AF. Most likely don't know selecting AF point is even a possibility, D-pad AF selection would be more than adequate.
Nikon will end up delivering the "Z500", to which just about any DX user who cares about control will be flocking. And it will have a joystick.
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I doubt many people who will carry around a Z50/16-50 are interested in straying from fully automated AF. Most likely don't know selecting AF point is even a possibility, D-pad AF selection would be more than adequate.
Nikon will end up delivering the "Z500", to which just about any DX user who cares about control will be flocking. And it will have a joystick.
Well, maybe you are right, especially with the sophisticated eye detection AF and the potential users who are accustomed to operating smartphone cameras. But then the design of Z50 should have been like the drawing leaked initially, not like the "professional looking" Z50.
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But then the design of Z50 should have been like the drawing leaked initially, not like the "professional looking" Z50.
Aesthetics are everything for that crowd. When they decide they want a "nice camera" and look over the compact MILC options, they will only notice the aesthetics and MP. Sensor characteristics (beyond MP), AF performance, ergonomics, etc. won't even enter their mind. Women will pick the cutest camera, men will pick the one that looks the most professional. Overwhelming majority of people that buy ILC are men, so I think Nikon made a wise decision here.
Side note, I worked in the camera department at a consumer tech store in the early-mid 2000s and sold lots of cameras to this crowd. The D70 outsold the Rebel when it came out purely because the Rebel was silver so it didn't look as professional. The only women who bought a DSLR were the ones taking photography classes and they liked the Rebel more because of the silver, otherwise they picked a cute compact. Keep in mind, the only requirement for this crowd, the men that is, is the professional appearance. I'd bet money few Z50 owners will ever bother to assign the Function buttons. I wouldn't be surprised if the Function button options are incredibly limited and are largely there to make an impression, as Nikon surely knows this. Most will only ever touch the menu button by accident. The perfect camera for this crowd is very small and light, looks very professional, 500MP sensor that downsamples to 3MP and only controls are on/off, shutter, play button and touchscreen for review/delete.
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Officially announced as well.
https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/mirrorless/z_50/
Hands-on preview by dpreview.com.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xMpPDR2v1o
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Officially announced as well.
https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/mirrorless/z_50/
Hands-on preview by dpreview.com.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xMpPDR2v1o
Thanks for posting. The marketing is pitching this at millenials, vloggers and travellers - All good IMHO to attract emerging photographers to life beyond cell phones ;-) ;-)
Lite, Chic, Tough etc https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/mirrorless-cameras/z-50.html?icid=img_en_us:homepage:slot:1:Z:z50:101019:z50wwa
Before the Utuber gesticulators and ranters, it is good to see Nikon UK has taken the initiative in presenting a mature overview of the Z50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JpawacwC1A&feature=youtu.be
Ricci teaches in the Nikon School
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The Z50 actually looks cuter and less of an ugly duckling than its bigger brethren.
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Aesthetics are everything for that crowd. When they decide they want a "nice camera" and look over the compact MILC options, they will only notice the aesthetics and MP. Sensor characteristics (beyond MP), AF performance, ergonomics, etc. won't even enter their mind. Women will pick the cutest camera, men will pick the one that looks the most professional. Overwhelming majority of people that buy ILC are men, so I think Nikon made a wise decision here.
Side note, I worked in the camera department at a consumer tech store in the early-mid 2000s and sold lots of cameras to this crowd. The D70 outsold the Rebel when it came out purely because the Rebel was silver so it didn't look as professional. The only women who bought a DSLR were the ones taking photography classes and they liked the Rebel more because of the silver, otherwise they picked a cute compact. Keep in mind, the only requirement for this crowd, the men that is, is the professional appearance. I'd bet money few Z50 owners will ever bother to assign the Function buttons. I wouldn't be surprised if the Function button options are incredibly limited and are largely there to make an impression, as Nikon surely knows this. Most will only ever touch the menu button by accident. The perfect camera for this crowd is very small and light, looks very professional, 500MP sensor that downsamples to 3MP and only controls are on/off, shutter, play button and touchscreen for review/delete.
Tristin, I respect your experienced observation. That said, though, the aesthetic depends on the individual, needless to say. I hope that the crowd would recognize the design of Z6/7 as "professional" in the first place. Apparently Sony's design concept for their A6X00 series is different...
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The Z50 actually looks cuter and less of an ugly duckling than its bigger brethren.
Cute indeed, seen from the front the main part of the body is not much bigger than the AW1:
http://j.mp/33n5quc (http://j.mp/33n5quc)
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Nothing much of value or technical consideration to add to this discussion other then to concur with Birna's observation and add that the Z50 may well come to be regarded the "digital FG" by those familiar with the FE and FM legacy and the relative utility and/or limitations of each. (Admittedly I made a similar prediction at the Z6 release, calling it the "digital FE".) Personally, I enjoyed them all right up to the dawn of the ersatz digital age or about the time digital was a settled argument -- or I could actually afford a new camera, I forget which. Then, too, I was a "photographer" (or so I was accused) before I truly understood the how-and-why of physics and chemistry that made those images happen. For decades thereafter, my favorite emulsion was any film on sale or gifted me... [sigh!] But I digress.
Now my gut feeling, as that of near-everyone it would seem, is that the Z50 will be popular among so-called "creatives"; students and artistes here in New York -- especially those weary of shooting with phones and dealing with their inherit limitations. (Those pesky laws of physics, and all that.) I for one can see the Z50 coupling nicely with my lab microscope or tethered to my trashcan found telescope. I'm sure some enterprising young Asians are busying themselves designing and cobbling together all manner of aftermarket lens, pin-hole and beer bottle adapters to satisfy even the most jaded hipster. Offer something that can adapt a D-lens or some oily Russian glass from the '50s and watch out!
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The Z50 offers a more affordable price point for a Nikon mirrorless body, but it's lack of IBIS completely saps my interest, so it's other features, or lack of them, are irrelevant to me. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not in the market for a new body, but, that doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion.
As they say, YMMV. :)
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The Z50 has much more appeal to me than expected. Personally I like the design and the compact 16-50 is just right for size. I think the wedding cake appearance is not going to appeal to everyone but I think it works well on this particular camera. I was just reading that the 16-50 MFD is 20cm and that just adds to the overall appeal as a compact do-everything camera.
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Nice compact little hood for the 16-50 another selling point https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1511310-REG/nikon_4206_hn_40_lens_hood.html/qa (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1511310-REG/nikon_4206_hn_40_lens_hood.html/qa)
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Are you meaning to tell me the new Z50 doesn't come with a newly designed 18-55 with a breakable lens mount?
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Are you meaning to tell me the new Z50 doesn't come with a newly designed 18-55 with a breakable lens mount?
It comes with the 16-50 ..... with a breakable lens mount!
:D
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I heard both new Z APS-C zoom lenses are plastic mounts, take care out there ;) OK it is cute, the body, but it needs another lens IMHO 8)
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I think the camera appears very functional and appealing. No need to put on the mundane DX lenses if alternatives exist. A "pancake" Nikkor in Z livery would suit it just fine.
Perhaps I should pre-order a Z50, just for fun.
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Perhaps I should pre-order a Z50, just for fun.
Also perhaps, for completeness Birna, these are exciting times.
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I still am awaiting a Z model that can deliver perfect results for UV/IR. Or software that can handle the issues with current models.
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I still am awaiting a Z model that can deliver perfect results for UV/IR. Or software that can handle the issues with current models.
Maybe, like the D40, the Z50 will turn up trumps.
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I think the camera appears very functional and appealing. No need to put on the mundane DX lenses if alternatives exist. A "pancake" Nikkor in Z livery would suit it just fine.
Perhaps I should pre-order a Z50, just for fun.
I agree, and I'm also thinking of pre-ordering one.
I actually think Nikon's advertising for the Z50 is a bit misleading, as it implies the camera is mainly aimed at the Instagram and selfie crowd and people switching from their phones to a real camera. However, there are many features I find appealing, like both front and back wheels and two function buttons (although it's not clear if they're crippled) plus (reasonable) weather proofing. These are features that are clearly aimed at "more advanced" photographers. Full compatibility with the FTZ adapter means I'll be able to use my old manual Nikkor primes. Alright, no EXIF data, but that's something I can live with.
What I need to know before ordering is the size of the buffer though. That's curiously missing yet. 20 or more RAWs and I'm good to go. There are only two things I don't really like: Yet another new battery, and the camera doesn't have USB-C. Not worried about the lack of IBIS, I don't really need it. For me it's more of a "nice-to-have" rather than a "must-have".
Hermann
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... I'm not impressed by the looks of the lens and camera....
looks like the grown up sister of nikon1 v2
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I think a joystick is essential for a camera with hundreds of AF points. It is a big mistake for Canon to omit joysticks to EOS R/RP.
with the fuji xt3 I'm getting good at selecting the focus point with my nose , and/or change the settings ;D
but if I want to be precise I can use the joystick and disable the touch functions
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What I need to know before ordering is the size of the buffer though. That's curiously missing yet. 20 or more RAWs and I'm good to go.
Found it: https://gwegner.de/review/nikon-z-50/ 29 frames in 14-bit RAW sounds good.
I'm going to wait for the first few reviews of production cameras though, I want to know a bit more on how the AF works with "moving objects", since I'll be using the camera for wildlife.
Hermann