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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: Jan Anne on September 03, 2018, 12:33:32
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It seems that Canon answer to the Nikon Z6 / Z7 will be announced soon.
EOS R specs:
https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r-full-specifications/
Some interesting RF lenses like the rather heavy 50/1.2 (950gr) and 28-70/2 (1430gr):
https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-rf-lens-specifications/
Awesome news as competition is always good to speed up R&D and keep prices competitive.
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5,655 af points !?
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These major players are following the same trend: offering not smaller, but bigger, lenses. More glass, more sophisticated optical designs.
Which is likely a good thing, but forget the mirrorless 'small is beautiful' hype.
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5,655 af points !?
But Of course.
I was once told that Canon lenses are so good the entire image is in focus, no matter what... ::)
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Also Panasonic seems to be joining to the full-frame group!
https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panasonic-will-announce-its-first-full-frame-system-camera-on-september-25/
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Which is likely a good thing, but forget the mirrorless 'small is beautiful' hype.
After more than a decade of IRMA testing the majority of the consumers seem to value stunning lab scores from flat paper targets over actual real life use.
With the current lens limitations there seems to be the small but expensive Leica route or the go big and (somewhat) affordable route, modern manual focus lenses like the Voigtlander and Zeiss FE lenses seem to be the perfect middle ground between size and IQ.
The Voigtlander range for the Sony E which will hopefully be ported to the Nikon Z and Canon RF mounts offer a very nice range of compact and capable lenses:
https://www.voigtlaender.de/lenses/e-mount/?lang=en
With a small camera we have at least the choice to go small with manual focus lenses or size up the system when things like AF, zoom, tele, etc are needed :)
In my case I'll stick with the Voigtlander E 15/4.5 (first) and F 50/1.2 (third) when I want to keep things small and take along the FE 35/1.4 (second) or the tele lenses when their size is not an impediment.
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Also Panasonic seems to be joining to the full-frame group!
https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panasonic-will-announce-its-first-full-frame-system-camera-on-september-25/
Cool, curious whether they will use an existing mount like they did with m4/3 or that they will introduce yet another mount.
Currently we already have:
- Canon RF
- Leica SL
- Nikon Z
- Sony E
Currently they share the m4/3 mount with Olympus but they also have ties to Leica so it could go either way :)
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Cool, curious whether they will use an existing mount like they did with m4/3 or that they will introduce yet another mount.
Currently we already have:
- Canon RF
- Leica SL
- Nikon Z
- Sony E
Currently they share the m4/3 mount with Olympus but they also have ties to Leica so it could go either way :)
I guess m4/3 is too small to accommodate a full-size sensor. There are Super 35 cine cameras with m4/3 mounts, though.
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If Panasonic also decides to go FX, they'll leave Olympus in a blind alley. It's unlikely if not downright impossible for Panasonic to keep the m4/3 mount for a new FX line of cameras.
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If Panasonic also decides to go FX, they'll leave Olympus in a blind alley.
I think so.
Interestingly, it Panasonic would abandon m4/3 format (at least for the sensor), my thesis "the format promoted by Olympus (although not alone) won't last long" is further supported. Remember MO disc, iDshot, Smart Media, xD-Picture card...
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RF Mount - in the leaked specs:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CAZOijAyrUJcOMWNHbjFpGq2CznrIAoN/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CAZOijAyrUJcOMWNHbjFpGq2CznrIAoN/view)
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Yes, the RF name is present, but *no* specifications other than those of the camera.
I noticed Canon offers native GPS support. At last.
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Oh my, the Canon R seems to have one SD cardslot, curious how they manage that marketing wise after the shitstorm that hit Nikon for the one XQD slot ;D ;D
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Oh my, the Canon R seems to have one SD cardslot, curious how they manage that marketing wise after the shitstorm that hit Nikon for the one XQD slot ;D ;D
Well XQD appears not to be an option for Canon
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Found this recently
https://photorumors.com/2018/08/31/this-is-the-new-canon-eos-r-full-frame-mirrorless-camera/
What dragged my attention:
it is lighter than the Nikon Zx
Nikon Zx has smaller width but increased height and less thickness
AF is working until -6 EV so advantageous
"just" 30 Mpx
Mount: inner diameter just 54 mm, flange back 20 mm (compared to 16) and 12 pins (so one more than Nikon)
Still unclear which X synch speed is the shortest
less ISO range
THREE lens adapters for which purpose ever
And as Canon has announced a 28-70 f/2 lens we will probably see something like that in the upcoming years to be released
by Competitor Nikon
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flange back 20 mm (compared to 16)
Hmm, so their own crop sized EF-M lenses cannot be used or adapted as they have a flange distance of 18mm. Not a real loss I guess as Canon didn't release any noteworthy EF-M lenses.
Compared to the other mirrorless mounts the 20mm is rather long but should leave enough room to adapt Leica M (27.8mm) and Contax G (29mm) lenses.
Here's all the flange distances btw:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flange_focal_distance
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THREE lens adapters for which purpose ever
Besides the regular EF to R adapter there's also one with a ring to adjust something like maybe the aperture and a third version which has a builtin filter slot apparently.
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Canon reportedly measure the AF low light sensitivity with an f/1.2 lens, so it is a trick to make the camera seem better in specs. Most use f/2 to report this spec.
The 28-70/2 seems heavy and not such a good fit with a mirrorless body that is lighter than a DSLR. I find it difficult to believe a 1.4-1.5kg ”standard zoom” would become popular.
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off topic but no mention here of fuji
https://www.fujirumors.com (https://www.fujirumors.com)
the updated medium format looks interesting
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The 28-70/2 seems heavy and not such a good fit with a mirrorless body that is lighter than a DSLR. I find it difficult to believe a 1.4-1.5kg ”standard zoom” would become popular.
It seems Canon don't want to be outdone by the Sigma 24-35/2 ...
If Panasonic also decides to go FX, they'll leave Olympus in a blind alley. It's unlikely if not downright impossible for Panasonic to keep the m4/3 mount for a new FX line of cameras.
Olympus have filed patents for "full frame" lenses too. It does not mean either will abandon the m4/3 format. I think it is too well established now, and it fills a useful niche, ie a camera system with good IQ and is usefully more compact than bigger formats.
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but forget the mirrorless 'small is beautiful' hype.
Hype indeed. There is such a thing as too small and fiddly. I have hope for Nikon's new efforts in this regard since they seem to understand the importance of ergonomics. Canon may well too.
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Roland, I agree - at least I most certainly hope that you are right!
Olympus at least have a past history of making high quality film cameras and lenses supporting the 24x36mm/135 format.
(Yes I also use an Olympus OMD E-M1 Mk1 & 2 as well as my Nikon gear. And MILC cameras are here to stay - no matter what format that they manifest themselves in.)
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Olympus have filed patents for "full frame" lenses too. It does not mean either will abandon the m4/3 format. I think it is too well established now, and it fills a useful niche, ie a camera system with good IQ and is usefully more compact than bigger formats.
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Really good to see Canon is also in the big mirror-less segment! :)
I don't have an issue so much with big lenses, but,,, wow both Nikon and Canon go all in for large lenses :o
Nikkor 28-70 mm AFS was/is an outstanding lens in all regards, and you had no issues from 'too-wide' look from the 24-28mm range of people up close in the corners that can easily happen otherwise.
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Really good to see Canon is also in the big mirror-less segment! :)
I don't have an issue so much with big lenses, but,,, wow both Nikon and Canon go all in for large lenses :o
Nikkor 28-70 mm AFS was/is an outstanding lens in all regards, and you had no issues from 'too-wide' look from the 24-28mm range of people up close in the corners that can easily happen otherwise.
Press photographers using the 14-24 mm to move closer (thus forcing their colleagues to do the same) made this even more an issue.
I like big lenses and i like small lenses and its the best if i can chose what to take for the specific opportunity
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Sure big and small lenses is a nice opportunity!
I'm selling off my Leica M, I simply don't use it so much anymore :o :-\ :'(
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After more than a decade of IRMA testing the majority of the consumers seem to value stunning lab scores from flat paper targets over actual real life use.
With the current lens limitations there seems to be the small but expensive Leica route or the go big and (somewhat) affordable route, modern manual focus lenses like the Voigtlander and Zeiss FE lenses seem to be the perfect middle ground between size and IQ.
The Voigtlander range for the Sony E which will hopefully be ported to the Nikon Z and Canon RF mounts offer a very nice range of compact and capable lenses:
https://www.voigtlaender.de/lenses/e-mount/?lang=en
With a small camera we have at least the choice to go small with manual focus lenses or size up the system when things like AF, zoom, tele, etc are needed :)
In my case I'll stick with the Voigtlander E 15/4.5 (first) and F 50/1.2 (third) when I want to keep things small and take along the FE 35/1.4 (second) or the tele lenses when their size is not an impediment.
is that a Canon FD 85mm f/1.2?
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For me the increased diversity of mounts further discourages me from buying into any of these systems that all seem try&error and possibly abandoned in a few years. The current F-Mount Nikon System is wonderful. D500 + D850 plus nice AFS-G and -E-glass is my dream come true. Only a used D5 for cheap might come in handy as a third body one day. Quite possibly when the D5s appears ...
I have never been happier with a camera setup than I am with my current
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Nostalgic and wise Frank ;)
I would tend to agree with you,,,
Yes JA has the nice old 85mm 1.2mm - I was not allowed to modify it for Nikon F-Mount, yet,,,
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These major players are following the same trend: offering not smaller, but bigger, lenses. More glass, more sophisticated optical designs.
Which is likely a good thing, but forget the mirrorless 'small is beautiful' hype.
If new mirrorless systems are to be attractive, they have to offer more sophistication and resultant great performance. The principles of optics dictate that if such is to happen, mirrorless systems that aspire to be high performance systems cannot be small systems.
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Yes JA has the nice old 85mm 1.2mm - I was not allowed to modify it for Nikon F-Mount, yet,,,
is it really possible to convert FD Canon Lenses to F-Mount?
For me the character of the 1.2/85 was always desirable
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is it really possible to convert FD Canon Lenses to F-Mount?
Only a very few. Amongst them, the venerable Canon 35 mm f/2.8 tilt/shift.
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The mount adapter with the rear filter slit looks nice. You can use an interference filter for a (super-) wide lens.
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A lot of nice things will be done with this new Canon offering. Big introduction set of lenses, very interesting and practical AF system, adapters, you have already named more - nice! But for me, personally, the deal breaker would be smaller VF and, most important, absence of IBIS. Very few new Canon's lenses have IS, and millions of earlier lenses are abandoned. As for me, the Sony's and Nikon's (SIC!) offering looks more advanced, especially if there will be possibility to use old manual glass. LZ (BTW, Canon's front mount - 5 bolts!).
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The new Canon 35mm "Macro" lens, focusing to 1:2, is something I've always wished I had for Nikon. I'd also make use of it for my Fujifilm APS-C cameras if it was adaptable.
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Canon is offering a 35 mm f/1,8 with 1:2 Macro capability. There is nothing like that in the Z roadmap, nor in the F line. The Nikon 1 system was suffering from strange lens choices with not one offering macro capability. Every Coolpix was doing that better.
While typing I realized that pluton had a somewhat similar idea.
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35mm lens with 1:2 closeup ... working distance must be very short, even 50 - 60mm macro lenses have very little working distance at this magnification.
Having closer than normal focusing is useful though, for example, the old AF-D 35/2 focuses to 0.25m (compared to 0.3m for most 35mm lenses) and gets to 1:4, which seems a well balanced design, but I can't see myself going to 1:2 at this focal length.
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The current AF-S 35/1.8 goes also up to 0.23x, which I miss traditionally with the 50mm non-micro lenses.
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The current AF-S 35/1.8 goes also up to 0.23x, which I miss traditionally with the 50mm non-micro lenses.
25cm distance, reproduction ratio 0.16x
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 35mm f/1.8G ED
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AF-S 35/1.8: focus distance 25cm, reproduction ratio 0.24x (1:4.2)
https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/f-mount/singlefocal/wide/af-s_35mmf_18g/spec.htm
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A Canon engineer talks about the new EOS-R camera ;) ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=129&v=OvDWQz0Z1lw
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25cm distance, reproduction ratio 0.16x
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 35mm f/1.8G ED
Frank, the data are erratically combined with those of the FX and DX versions.
AF-S 35/1.8: focus distance 25cm, reproduction ratio 0.24x (1:4.2)
https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/f-mount/singlefocal/wide/af-s_35mmf_18g/spec.htm
According to the Japanese website, the maximum reproduction ratio is 0.23x. :o :o :o
http://www.nikon-image.com/products/nikkor/fmount/af-s_nikkor_35mm_f18g_ed/spec.html
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A Canon engineer talks about the new EOS-R camera ;) ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=129&v=OvDWQz0Z1lw
LOL! The big afro guy. ;D ;D ;D
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According to the Japanese website, the maximum reproduction ratio is 0.23x. :o :o :o
http://www.nikon-image.com/products/nikkor/fmount/af-s_nikkor_35mm_f18g_ed/spec.html
You should buy the non-Japanese version then, as you can gain higher magnifications :) :o
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everytime I think theres something wrong with the Nikon Z, I look at what canon had to offer and I feel golden :o :o :o
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everytime I think theres something wrong with the Nikon Z, I look at what canon had to offer and I feel golden :o :o :o
I haven't seen either the Nikon Z or Canon R in person, but based on the photos, the Canon styling is embarrassing.