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Title: Updated D850 specs
Post by: chambeshi on August 11, 2017, 15:57:58
Set PP Slides leaked but in Chinese

https://nikonrumors.com/2017/08/11/nikon-d850-presentation-slides-part-2.aspx/

EDIT > now translated https://nikonrumors.com/2017/08/11/translation-of-the-leaked-nikon-d850-slides.aspx/#more-114692

Translated in Comment :
RC Jenkins • an hour ago
::45.75MP FX sensor
::7 FPS; 6FPS with AF (no grip)
::9FPS, when using the MB-D18a battery grip
::51-image buffer (14-bit raw)
::3.2", 2.36-million-dot rear touchscreen. Improved gestures
::4K video
::ISO 64-25600 (native)
::No low-pass filter
::153 point AF system, with 30% wider coverage than the D810
::0.75x magnification optical viewfinder--largest ever on FX
::all AF points AF in -3EV; center point -4
::Auto-focus-bracket mode--the camera can take up to 300 pictures, varying focus between from close-infinity. User can choose 10 levels of focus steps. Roughly 5 FPS, can be software stacked.
::Fully-silent electronic shutter mode in live view. No mechanical movement. Can also shoot up to 30FPS for an 8MP image using the electronic shutter.
::Very precise, small AF points. Display is 1/2 the size now
::Variable sized raw: small, medium, large
::Auto-Scene modes & improved white balance
::SD + XQD
::Supports wireless trigger WT-7
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 11, 2017, 16:48:45
A lot of nice improvements. I really like the 0.75x viewfinder. Loosing the pop-up is a good thing. At least I think the pop-up robbed the pentaprism of needed space and resulted in a lower viewfinder magnification and less manual focus ease.

Dave

By comparison...

F3 (DE-2) 0.8x (The Gold Standard in Viewfinder Comfort for me)
F3HP (DE-3) 0.75x
F6 0.74x (Never tried the F6)
F4, F5 0.7x
D800/E 0.7x
D810 0.7x

The FM2n, FE2 were 0.86x and the FM3a was 0.83x, this from memory. I checked the manuals for those listed above.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: chambeshi on August 11, 2017, 17:29:12
Looking good - edited first post to add link to detailed translations of the chinese

https://nikonrumors.com/2017/08/11/translation-of-the-leaked-nikon-d850-slides.aspx/#more-114692
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Michael Erlewine on August 11, 2017, 17:36:04
NikonRumors.com posted some more information on the D850 from leaked advertising photos. See that site for more details. Here is what most interests me:

No low-pass filter

ISO from 64 to 25600 (hope it is the same or better ISO 64)

No mechanical vibration using LiveView for still images.

New “Natural Light” AWB

45-Mpx

Uses Expeed 5 (same as D5)

Focus-Stacking: Focus-adjusting system, max of 300 layers, customized release (0 to 30 sec), customizable 10 steps).
130% frame coverage compared to the D810

Uses D5 153 AF System

This camera is looking better and better.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Fons Baerken on August 11, 2017, 17:51:17
$4000 or more, including vertical grip if you want full specifications,  9fps
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: chambeshi on August 11, 2017, 18:23:54
Here is the updated translation from latest link posted on NikonRumours - see here for the original ppoint slides:
Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2017/08/11/translation-of-the-leaked-nikon-d850-slides.aspx/#ixzz4pSpaiaFO

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Nikon FX DSLR has 45.75M pixels.  Around 9 fps* and more enhanced features.  Can capture still and sport photos with sharp images.
* When using MB-D18 Multi-Power Battery Pack (it should be a new one) plus battery EN-EL18a.
3.2" variangle 2.359M pixel touch LCD screen
- Richer touch functions than D5 & D500
- Could do quick cropping using "I" button during playback
Q1330 should mean D850?
2nd Row of the table:
Playback: Full touch screen (scroll, drag, status bar)
Menu: D5/D500: button operations; Q1330: Full touch screen
Liveview: touch AF, touch shutter (only D500); Q1330: touch menu, touch AF, touch shutter
Info: Q1330: button menu (?)
- 45.75M
- 9 fps * MB-D18 + EN-EN18a
- 8K timelapse
- 4K movie
- ISO 64-25600
- 3.2" 2.36M vari-angle touch screen
- 153 AF system
- 45M quiet shooting mode
- 0.75x OVF magnification
- 180,000 RGB sensor
OVF 0.75x is the largest magnification rate for all existing DSLR in history.

Using famous D5 153 AF system
- 130% frame coverage when compared with D810
- incorporated with AF engine
- center 1 point -4EV AF, all other points -3EV
Focus adjusting system could offer you deeply stacked* picture
* require software from other companies
- Camera will continuously take the nearest focus to infinite focus
- Max nomber of photos: 300 photos
- Focus distance interval could be customized (10 steps)
- Shutter release could be customized (0 to 30 sec)
- Continuous shooting around 5 fps
- Suitable for shooting jewelry,  specimen and landscape

45M pixel gives you clear and sharp high definition image, could satisfy big outdoor advertisement which requires 8K resolution
- No low pass filter
- Standard ISO: 64-25600, boost: ISO: 32 to 108,400
- Using Eexpeed 5 (same as D5) processor, high ISO together with good noise reduction engine, could give you high quality of color reproduction
Pictures: demonstration of with and without low pass filter
45M quiet shooting mode, when releasing the shutter, there is no sound and no mechanical vibration (using live view for still image)
- Only using an electronic shutter
- Suitable for museum or opera that require quiet environment, and Astronomical photography, macro photography and architectural photography which are prone to minor mechanical shutter vibration, so that your image would be sharper
- Around 6 fps under this mode (AF/AE fixed)
- Suitable for sports photography which requires quiet environment, e.g. play golf when player is very concentrating and moving the golf clubs
- Quiet mode could be 30 fps with 8MP image (longest duration 3 seconds, DX mode, quality = normal, AF/AE fixed)

9 fps * (with MB-D18 + EN-EL18a) or 7 fps
- Could continuously shoot 51 frames 14 bit non-compressed raw photos at one time

Low light focus -3EV, greater possibility to take photo under dark situation (same as D5)
Using 180,000 RGB sensor same as D5, better face detection and precise auto adjustment using enhanced scene recognition system.
New Natural Light AWB enable you to have better color reproduction under natural light
- Set to Natural Light AWB, the camera would provide you more concise white balance
- Target for red leafs during autumn, sunset or sunrise, will have more saturated color when compared with [auto1] mode
- When shooting outdoor, no need to set white balance to shadow, beautiful images would be captured under sunny day or cloudy day
[Auto] according to the information received via scene recognition, adjust and enhance the image
New: enhance the red color under sunrise / sunset
Enhance the saturation of landscape photo
- Soften portrait photo

Using "spot area AF" to AF on very small area
- The size is 1/2 of "standard area AF"
- Suitable for shooting macro, focusing on a very small object

In the photo:

blue square: "standard area AF"
red square: "spot area AF"

- Illuminated button for shooting under dark situation (finally!)
- Raw L, M or S for your selection
- Enhanced Multiple exposure flexibilities
- 1:1 photo size (new)
- SD and XQD dual card slots (new)
Using wireless controlled flash, you could achieve effective lighting control outdoor
Support wireless transmitter WT-7.

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2017/08/11/translation-of-the-leaked-nikon-d850-slides.aspx/#ixzz4pSrFpKLc

>>>>>>
NikonRumors.com posted some more information on the D850 from leaked advertising photos. See that site for more details.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Ron Scubadiver on August 11, 2017, 19:26:07
When can I get one?
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 11, 2017, 19:34:32
$4000 or more, including vertical grip if you want full specifications,  9fps

When my F5 did 8 fps I stepped up the CL (continuous low) frame rate to 5 fps and squeezed off single frames. I did the same with my D2H and D300s. If I owned a D850 and an appropriate lens for birds in flight then I'd want 5 fps and 9 fps so I would need the grip.

Dave
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 11, 2017, 19:44:53
Illuminated button for shooting under dark situation (finally!)

Can I assume the letters and symbols won't rub off the buttons after 20,000 frames like my D800??  :)  ;)  :D

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I'm not sure how many frames I've shot but I think I've rolled over the odometer twice now. Why only frame numbers to 9,999??? Why not at the least 99,999 or more reasonably 999,999?

Is there a good reason?

[Total pictures = 21553 and the AF-ON and + or Magnifying Glass are gone.]
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: chris dees on August 11, 2017, 20:38:43
Impressive camera!
Most things were predictable, but still a few surprises like (not in order of importance):
- Raw L, M or S
- 0.75x OVF magnification
- Focus stacking (require software)
- Natural Light AWB
- Spot area AF
- Electronic shutter improvements
And probably a few more

EN-EL18a + MB-D18, necessary for the 9fps, is an extra expense

How much in Europe?
€4000 + €650 (including EN-EL18a)
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on August 11, 2017, 22:52:01
Well, if knock-off grips cost 30€, hard to see how Nikon could price theirs that high. If I recall correctly in 2012 the MB-D12 was about 400-450€, from which it has steadily gone down.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: chris dees on August 11, 2017, 23:03:28
Well, if knock-off grips cost 30€, hard to see how Nikon could price theirs that high. If I recall correctly in 2012 the MB-D12 was about 400-450€, from which it has steadily gone down.

Battery + battery cap is over €200.
MB-D17 (D500) is €429
I guess I'm not too far off. :)
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on August 11, 2017, 23:25:52
Ah, you were referring to D5 battery, didn't notice that.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: richardHaw on August 12, 2017, 01:08:20
focus stacking  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: charlie on August 12, 2017, 01:24:51
Can I assume the letters and symbols won't rub off the buttons after 20,000 frames like my D800??  :)  ;)  :D

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I'm not sure how many frames I've shot but I think I've rolled over the odometer twice now. Why only frame numbers to 9,999??? Why not at the least 99,999 or more reasonably 999,999?

Is there a good reason?

[Total pictures = 21553 and the AF-ON and + or Magnifying Glass are gone.]

My D800 has 92,386 frames shot on it (upload an image to https://www.camerashuttercount.com/ to find your cameras total shutter count), my thumb is on the AF-ON button almost as much as my index finger is on the shutter button. The lettering has not rubbed off, though it is a tad bit faded. I wonder if there is something specific to your hands that is making the lettering come off?

I believe the 9,999 frame number limit is due to old file naming standards still in use.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 12, 2017, 01:35:00
I believe the 9,999 frame number limit is due to old file naming standards still in use.

I think the old file naming standard is still there in a way. I've wondered if when I add a prefix to the original name if that matters anymore. I just live with the repeating filenames as the dates separate the duplicates and triplicates. I just don't like it. For example this... D800_DSC1272.NEF ...is the third file with this name on my computer. I've thought of adding a couple of digits to the name with a file naming batch program but never done it.

Dave
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: charlie on August 12, 2017, 06:07:18
I've thought of adding a couple of digits to the name with a file naming batch program but never done it.

We're steering this thread off topic, but Capture One, Bridge, & Lightroom all have pretty powerful renaming options, as I'm sure most RAW converters do. Depending on how you organize your photos it might just take a few minutes to show images by camera/D800, sort them by capture time, and batch rename as you see fit. Then keep the sequence going as you import new photos. Might even be able to make a template that automatically renames them. Or name them by date and sequence so you never have duplicates.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: chambeshi on August 12, 2017, 07:46:59
Latest consolidation of D850 specificatins on NR:

45.75MP full frame CMOS sensor
New and improved version of SnapBridge
No built-in GPS
Tiltable LCD (3.2", 2.36 million dots)
Fully functional touchscreen: supports touch AF, touch shutter and touch menu
Memory card slots: one SD and one XQD
AF system from the D5 (153 points, 130% frame coverage compared to the D810, all AF points @ -3EV,  middle/center crosshair sensor @-4EV)
New smaller AF point
No built-in flash
Back illuminated buttons
Joystick selector
Built-in Bluetooth and Wi-Fi
8K time-lapse video capabilities
4k UHD video in FX format (with no crop)
No EVF or hybrid viewfinder
Slo-mo full HD 120fps video
The SD slot will support UHS-II
Improved LiveView split-screen display
Improved silent shooting mode: fully-silent, no-sound electronic shutter in live view (no mechanical movement, can shoot up to 30fps @ 8MP with the electronic shutter)
Improved battery life
Lighter than the D810
Native ISO range: 64-25,600
ISO 64 extendable down to ISO 32 (Lo1 = 32, Hi 2 = 108,400)
7fps without grip, 9fps with grip (MB-D18a battery grip)
51 images raw buffer at 14-bit RAW
0.75x optical viewfinder (largest ever on a Nikon FX cameras)
180k RGB meter
No AA filter
Supports for Nikon wireless trigger WT-7
Fully-silent, no-sound electronic shutter in live view (6 fps silent shooting)
Built-in focus stacking: up to 300 pictures with up to 10 levels of focusing steps (still need external software)
Price will be CNY 23,999 or around $3,600 (source: Chinese forum)
Announcement date could be August 16th
RAW sizes: small, medium, large
New 1:1 mode
New natural light AWB

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2017/08/12/nikon-d850-specifications-recap.aspx/#ixzz4pW7cPicw

Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: bobfriedman on August 12, 2017, 14:24:30
No auto focustune
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on August 12, 2017, 14:53:36
How do you deduce that it has no auto AF fine tune? Where is that stated?
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: bobfriedman on August 12, 2017, 16:02:34
How do you deduce that it has no auto AF fine tune? Where is that stated?

good point.. should have written - "auto focustune has not been stated"
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Akira on August 12, 2017, 16:10:27
It would be hard to believe that auto AF fine tune would be slipped off form a camera withe such a dense sensor.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: bobfriedman on August 12, 2017, 16:28:11
It would be hard to believe that auto AF fine tune would be slipped off form a camera withe such a dense sensor.

it was leaked for the D5 and then it turned out to be obscured and work very badly... i cannot use it to any kind of positive result.

but i am hopeful that some time in the future will provide and automatic AF fine tune function.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on August 12, 2017, 17:01:32
I've had excellent results from using auto AF fine tune on my lenses. Two exceptions: with 105/1.4 the auto function yielded a result that was five points off from what works well in practice (all other primes that I've used the auto fine tune on yielded the result that I use in the real world).

With the 70-200/2.8 FL the results were fine (I do get different values for different focal lengths, which I then average)  also combined with TC-14E III. However the auto function failed repeatedly when attempted with the 70-200 FL + TC-20E III. I fine tuned that using conventional methods. Now that I think about it the 300 PF + 2X auto fine tune also failed, so maybe it's the TC.

In my experience it works well with most fast prime lenses but if the maximum aperture is very small or light level low, it can fail. However, overall it has been a big time saver for me. Of course I hope that it is implemented and works even better on the D850.

I should probably try the 105/1,4 again using a longer distance.

I don't know why your experience is different; maybe different lenses and test environment?
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: MFloyd on August 12, 2017, 17:43:20
Ilkka, I had the same problem: the 70-200 mm f/2.8E FL with the TC20-E III had to be manually tuned.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Akira on August 12, 2017, 17:43:38
I haven't done the auto AF tune myself, but so far as I understand, it calibrates the lens only in the live view mode.  I wondered how the discrepancy between the live view AF and AF sensor can be compensated.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on August 12, 2017, 18:47:32
First you focus the lens in live view and activate auto fine tune. The camera then brings down the mirror and takes a reading with the AF sensor and comes up with a correction which is stored in the fine tune table. I check out the resulting value, mark it in a notebook and repeat the procedure a few times and after averaging the results I store the mean in the camera and write it down in my notes. Then I test it in real world use.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Akira on August 12, 2017, 18:59:58
First you focus the lens in live view and activate auto fine tune. The camera then brings down the mirror and takes a reading with the AF sensor and comes up with a correction which is stored in the fine tune table. I check out the resulting value, mark it in a notebook and repeat the procedure a few times and after averaging the results I store the mean in the camera and write it down in my notes. Then I test it in real world use.

Illka, thanks for the details.  I didn't know the function switches the camera to the OVF mode.

According to my experiences of having my lenses at the Nikon service, the neutral position of the supersonic wave motor needs periodical mechanical calibration, which has to be done at the service.  The discrepancy of the experiences of the effect of automatic lens calibration function seems to be related to that.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: bobfriedman on August 13, 2017, 13:56:09
I've had excellent results from using auto AF fine tune on my lenses. Two exceptions: 

i am glad your experience is better than mine.. however, i require focus tuning for big glass 600/4 & 500/4 since the DoF is very shallow i can miss critical focus.. especially in bird photography

it takes me 30-45min/lens+tc+cam to manual focus tune using lens align w/software taking 4-5 shots at each focus increment.  the times i have checked my result using the Auto Fine Tune have showed drastically different results in some cases in the wrong direction!.. consequently i don't waste my time with trying it only longer.. i would love to have a nice simple way to do it using the Auto function but unfortunately the current capability is not mature enough for my requirements.

i don't bother focus tuning less than 200mm focal lengths.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on August 13, 2017, 15:00:51
Most of my lenses are between 20mm and 200mm so my auto fine tune experience is mostly with AF-S Nikkors (f/1.4, f/1.8, f/2 and 2.8 ) in that range. It's difficult to know why it won't work properly with long focal lengths. Perhaps some feedback to Nikon about the problem would help, with as much detail as possible.

How stable can you keep the focus point over the target? With long Nikkors especially those launched in the first decade of the 2000s have quite flexible collars and this could affect the precision of the auto fine tune as the mirror comes down there is no doubt some vibration.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: chambeshi on August 13, 2017, 16:18:44
I found focus tuning on my D500 gives consistent readings (with usual normal distribution of variation) with 200 f2G VRII and then with TC14 and then TC2. Also 300 f2G VRII with & without TC14 is consistent, but AF finetuning failed to even work with 300 + TC2 III.

This is despite stabilizing the tripod as much as possible (adding ballast) with Mirror Up and remote release et al
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: bobfriedman on August 13, 2017, 18:48:58

How stable can you keep the focus point over the target? With long Nikkors especially those launched in the first decade of the 2000s have quite flexible collars and this could affect the precision of the auto fine tune as the mirror comes down there is no doubt some vibration.

I use a two point clamp that secures the lens and cam. And it is rock solid. I have perfected the approach and have reliably reproduced results for myself and others on a regular basis. auto never worked.

Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Michael Erlewine on August 13, 2017, 19:18:36

I use a two point clamp that secures the lens and cam. And it is rock solid. I have perfected the approach and have reliably reproduced results for myself and others on a regular basis. auto never worked.

Can you say more or show us a photo of the clamp or where we could get one? Thanks.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Roland Vink on August 13, 2017, 22:33:12
Built-in focus stacking: up to 300 pictures with up to 10 levels of focusing steps (still need external software)
I wonder if that is achieved by moving the sensor forward and back to move the focus plane? That would be a very efficient way of doing it. If the sensor was mounted on a stepper motor the position could be controlled very precisely and quickly, and focusing could be done without having to refocus the lens which could cause vibrations or a slight shift in framing. The amount of travel required would be very small, even 1mm would be sufficient for most macro subjects. We already have sensors which move to shake off dust and for image stabilisation, so why not?

This technology could also be very useful for manual focusing - one could focus manually on a subject, but focusing might be a shade off, the camera could automatically refine the focus for the sharpest image.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Michael Erlewine on August 13, 2017, 22:46:53
I wonder if that is achieved by moving the sensor forward and back to move the focus plane? That would be a very efficient way of doing it. If the sensor was mounted on a stepper motor the position could be controlled very precisely and quickly, and focusing could be done without having to refocus the lens which could cause vibrations or a slight shift in framing. The amount of travel required would be very small, even 1mm would be sufficient for most macro subjects. We already have sensors which move to shake off dust and for image stabilisation, so why not?

This technology could also be very useful for manual focusing - one could focus manually on a subject, but focusing might be a shade off, the camera could automatically refine the focus for the sharpest image.

That's not likely. What it means, IMO, is that with Nikon AF lenses, which most I don't care for, you can automatically take stepped layers, as described. What lenses would anyone use, the 105mm Macro?
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Roland Vink on August 13, 2017, 23:03:57
I expect you are right Michael. The lenses most likely used are the AFS 60mm and 105mm Micro Nikkors as you said - not sure how well this approach would work for older screw-drive macro lenses.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Hugh_3170 on August 14, 2017, 09:58:58
I will follow the 2017 Photokina conference and exhibition with great interest.

Let us all hope that the D850 is showcased at Photokina and that following this, rumours about what features the camera will and will not have will give way to facts!
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Les Olson on August 14, 2017, 13:14:10
Most of my lenses are between 20mm and 200mm so my auto fine tune experience is mostly with AF-S Nikkors (f/1.4, f/1.8, f/2 and 2.8 ) in that range. It's difficult to know why it won't work properly with long focal lengths.

One issue may be distance.  Nikon says that "AF fine-tuning should be performed at the focus distance at which the lens is normally used; fine-tuning performed at short focus distances may be less effective with distant subjects and vice versa."  A 600mm lens has a horizontal AoV of 3.4 degrees on FX and 2.2 degrees on DX, so you get a 1m horizontal field of view at 17m on FX and 26m on DX. 

I wonder how many people are fine tuning their lenses at much shorter distances.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 14, 2017, 18:26:14
Enough of this! Does Nikon need an ambassador who is only mediocre but most sincere?
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: MFloyd on August 14, 2017, 18:46:28
I will follow the 2017 Photokina conference and exhibition with great interest.

Let us all hope that the D850 is showcased at Photokina and that following this, rumours about what features the camera will and will not have will give way to facts!

Photokina 2017 ??? To my best knowledge.the next one is on 26-29 September 2018 ....
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Jan Anne on August 14, 2017, 20:14:58
Photokina 2017 ??? To my best knowledge.the next one is on 26-29 September 2018 ....
Correct, but after that one they'll change to a yearly event  :)
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Akira on August 14, 2017, 20:25:02
One thing Nikon is poor at is to synchronize the timing of the release of new products with major events such as Photokina or CP+.  So, you shouldn't have to wait that long to see the real D850.  :D
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: CS on August 14, 2017, 20:55:59
One thing Nikon is poor at is to synchronize the timing of the release of new products with major events such as Photokina or CP+.  So, you shouldn't have to wait that long to see the real D850.  :D

That was discussed here in the Nikon 100th anniversary thread, with many people saying that they think Nikon should not coordinate product release notices with such events, but issue those release notices as soon as possible. Of course, not everyone agrees.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: chambeshi on August 14, 2017, 21:18:07
latest D850 images fyi
https://nikonrumors.com/2017/08/14/more-nikon-d850-pictures-leaked-online-raw-and-jpg-options-size-comparison-with-the-df.aspx/
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Akira on August 14, 2017, 22:04:31
That was discussed here in the Nikon 100th anniversary thread, with many people saying that they think Nikon should not coordinate product release notices with such events, but issue those release notices as soon as possible. Of course, not everyone agrees.

I haven't followed that discussion.  Nikon is not good at even controlling the timing.  This exceptional announcement of the "development" of D850 rather proves that.  I don't think they themselves would know when they can release the real thing.  :D
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: MFloyd on August 14, 2017, 22:13:24
In Switzerland, we had the first pre-order announcement by Hawk.ch, official Nikon Switzerland retailer, for CHF3'499,- (€3'050).

They changed their price to CHF3'999 ... not very serious. Just to click bait..,
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: CS on August 14, 2017, 22:23:27
I haven't followed that discussion.  Nikon is not good at even controlling the timing.  This exceptional announcement of the "development" of D850 rather proves that.  I don't think they themselves would know when they can release the real thing.  :D

Well, Nikon is good at making photo gear, which doesn't necessarily make them good at marketing, or software, etc.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Akira on August 14, 2017, 22:43:25
Well, Nikon is good at making photo gear, which doesn't necessarily make them good at marketing, or software, etc.

Well, that's the main reason for Nikon to suffer from financial problem which also caused the apparent closure of the otherwise very potential Nikon 1 lineup.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: CS on August 14, 2017, 22:49:12
Well, that's the main reason for Nikon to suffer from financial problem which also caused the apparent closure of the otherwise very potential Nikon 1 lineup.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, and one would think that it should be obvious to Nikon that they need help in areas where they lack expertise.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Akira on August 14, 2017, 23:04:56
I don't think we are disagreeing each other.  By the way, our correspondences seem to be off-topic.  Let's get the thread back to the original topic.  :)
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Hugh_3170 on August 15, 2017, 09:21:43
Interesting that the Swiss retailers have come up with a retail price.

Our Australian retailers are taking $A1,000 deposits (~$US790 just now) as a deposit on the D850 for when it is eventually released, but have not  as yet declared a retail price.


In Switzerland, we had the first pre-order announcement by Hawk.ch, official Nikon Switzerland retailer, for CHF3'499,- (€3'050).
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Hugh_3170 on August 15, 2017, 09:29:23
Thanks guys for straightening me out - my "bad"!

It is frustrating that Nikon have announced the camera, but have not yet followed through with more details than they have shared so far.  Sure some minor details will change as they fine tune the offerings for the retail release, but surely the main features should be finalised by now and therefore less secret.


Correct, but after that one they'll change to a yearly event  :)

Photokina 2017 ??? To my best knowledge.the next one is on 26-29 September 2018 ....
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: chambeshi on August 15, 2017, 09:53:00
Well the flurry of pricing by authorised retailers, and taking orders to be fulfilled is encouraging. The latest batch of leaked images show us a DSLR that is close in layout to the D500. A BIG positive for those of us already bonded with the D500 :-)

The ability to scale RAW files will be a most useful function: from Large (8256 x 5504, 45.4MP) through Medium (6192 x 4128, 26.6MP) to Small (4128 x 2752, 11.4MP). One can only speculate at this stage as to whether the Frame-rate will scale from 9 fps (rumoured) to faster rates!

All in all, the potential to be the most versatile DSLR to date
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: JohnBrew on August 15, 2017, 16:26:43
Any release date yet? I would like to take one to my friend in Italy and save him the VAT (and, of course, we would BOTH be able to play with it while I'm there ;D).

I leave Sept. 19.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: richardHaw on August 15, 2017, 19:18:25
http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~hu5150/dcl/camera_news/article/nikon/2017/0815_01.html

compared to the Df :o :o :o
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 16, 2017, 06:04:10
That was discussed here in the Nikon 100th anniversary thread, with many people saying that they think Nikon should not coordinate product release notices with such events, but issue those release notices as soon as possible. Of course, not everyone agrees.

A photograph of the camera (prototype, artist rendering, something for visual learners) would have been nice.

Dave
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: arthurking83 on August 17, 2017, 09:16:23
I think the old file naming standard is still there in a way. I've wondered if when I add a prefix to the original name if that matters anymore. I just live with the repeating filenames as the dates separate the duplicates and triplicates. I just don't like it. For example this... D800_DSC1272.NEF ...is the third file with this name on my computer. I've thought of adding a couple of digits to the name with a file naming batch program but never done it.

Dave

I learned the hard way long time ago .. just change the DSC part of the file name to something that makes it hard to produce identical file names.
On my cameras where I can do renaming, as i approach that magic 9999 mark, I change the DSC to DSD, and then DSD to DSE letting the camer ado the auto incremental numbering afterwards.
But it's also important to distinguish file names form one camera to another too.
This is where I learned my lesson once when I was reorganising some files in some folders and accidentally overwritten old D70 DSC_xxxx files with newer D300 DSC_xxxx files .. and of course idiot me ignored the prompt that they were about to be overwritten!

No more. I use simple old Nikon Transfer to download images files from camera and as other software does, I add a camera model prefix(ie. D800E_DSC_xxxx) name to all files.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: bobfriedman on August 17, 2017, 12:33:57
personally i would prefer a time/date stamp in addition to the file number.. would make my life easier. e.g. just date 20170817_XXXXX.nef
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: RoyC on August 17, 2017, 15:05:01

No more. I use simple old Nikon Transfer to download images files from camera and as other software does, I add a camera model prefix(ie. D800E_DSC_xxxx) name to all files.

Same here using Nikon Transfer to move files to computer. Under Primary Destination, check the box "Rename files during transfer" click on the edit box and you can add many things to each file. I have mine set up to add an eight digit sequential counter. It does not reset with each transfer and so everything you setup stays. You can also add a ton of description to each file if you so desire. And all happens during the download which you have to do already.

Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Hugh_3170 on August 17, 2017, 15:16:48
On Topic:  I still await the actual specifications for the D850 with great interest.

Off  Topic:  People who have specific renaming requirements, might like to explore this renaming utility which I have used for some time now: www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk

The utility requires a little getting used to, and maybe best suits older users (i.e. old geezers such as myself) who are used to line command driven software.  In some instances, a two phase approach to achieving the final naming configuration is required.
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 18, 2017, 04:19:08
Currently my file naming is D800_DSC9999.nef. What I would like it to be is D850_DSC100001.nef. I wouldn't mind it to be D5_DSC100001.nef. Alas neither is likely in the near future.

Dave
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: Frank Fremerey on August 20, 2017, 18:26:05
I hope I have her when we meet in The Hague end of September!
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: chambeshi on August 22, 2017, 18:45:07
Latest on D850

Nikon has already sent invitations for a press event that will take place on August 24th. The Nikon D850 DSLR camera will be officially announced in 36 hours - expect the press release to be out at midnight tomorrow (Wednesday) or at 4 am GMT time on Thursday. The D850 is expected to start shipping in mid-September. Stay tuned for a detailed coverage here on NikonRumors. Follow also the new Nikon D850 Facebook page and join the Nikon D850 Facebook group.

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz4qVGVxEsw
Title: Re: Updated D850 specs
Post by: chris dees on August 22, 2017, 21:40:49
Latest on D850

Nikon has already sent invitations for a press event that will take place on August 24th. The Nikon D850 DSLR camera will be officially announced in 36 hours - expect the press release to be out at midnight tomorrow (Wednesday) or at 4 am GMT time on Thursday. The D850 is expected to start shipping in mid-September. Stay tuned for a detailed coverage here on NikonRumors. Follow also the new Nikon D850 Facebook page and join the Nikon D850 Facebook group.

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz4qVGVxEsw

AFAIK it's not a press event but an invitation for a NPS event with a mystery guest (I'm invited ;D)
The invitation was already sent on August 8th