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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: chambeshi on July 31, 2017, 20:43:32
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https://nikonrumors.com/2017/07/31/the-nikon-d850-is-the-baby-nikon-d5-camera.aspx/#more-114369
And derived from Nikon Austria (source) .... speculation circles the whirlpool of intrigue....
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https://nikonrumors.com/2017/07/31/the-nikon-d850-is-the-baby-nikon-d5-camera.aspx/#more-114369
And derived from Nikon Austria (source) .... speculation circles the whirlpool of intrigue....
And started here by Wolfgang (Millirehm) :D
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i would rather have a D5x
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What's in a name ... The D850 does not have a built-in vertical grip - you'll have to buy one separately if you want one. That makes sense for a camera which is more likely to be used for landscape/wildlife in remote locations, where smaller size and weight are important considerations.
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at ~46 Mpx and 10fps... i would like two XQD cards.. i wonder where they are going to put them.
but to be honest for wildlife i need high ISO and that isn't going to be the case with photo sites that are D500 size. the balance with big glass is better with the grip, however, the cost with the grip will be at least 1500 USD less than the equivalent D5x which is very cost effective... so.. who knows.. maybe it would be worth replacing my D810... me thinks that it will probably make a better landscape camera while pinch hitting as a wildlife camera.
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Surprise. Did not expect my post to be a source of rumor on nikonrumors.com
We will see in the future how good the connections to Nikon Japan actually has been here
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i would rather have a D5x
The Dream Is Alive...
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What's in a name ... The D850 does not have a built-in vertical grip - you'll have to buy one separately if you want one. That makes sense for a camera which is more likely to be used for landscape/wildlife in remote locations, where smaller size and weight are important considerations.
I never used the vertical grip on my D2H. It takes me longer to change from horizontal to vertical when using it. When you don't use it your hands never leave the camera for repositioning.
Dave
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at ~46 Mpx and 10fps... i would like two XQD cards.. i wonder where they are going to put them.
but to be honest for wildlife i need high ISO and that isn't going to be the case with photo sites that are D500 size.
Hi ISO and high resolution don't really go together ... You could easily downsize to ~23 MP (half size) and get reduced noise and still a good sized image. Will be interesting to see how that stacks up against the 24MP D750...
I wonder if it will really do 46MP at 10fps? That is a huge amount of data to push around. It might shoot that fast only in crop mode or at lower resolutions?
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Roland, ever since Wolfgang started the rumour many are wondering if that is 10 fps RAW or jpg, gripped or un-gripped. I guess we will find out at some point ;) .
Tom
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I wonder if we will have the ISO 64 that is in the D810. My guess is not likely. Anyone have thoughts on that?
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The D500 gets more shots with Battery-grip and EN-EL18 but not more fps. Maybe it is the same with D850?
Grip is just used when better balance is wanted and weight is not that much of an issue. Still high fps while hiking without grip.
No idea whether the rumored 10fps is in Raw or hust jpeg
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A baby D5 would be a direct D700 replacement. It would use the same sensor as the D5 or the sensor to be used in the D5s. The D850 seems to be a new species that is both fast and high resolution.
I'd still like a D700 replacement that offers crazy high ISO with still decent image quality.
Dave
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A baby D5 would be a direct D700 replacement. It would use the same sensor as the D5 or the sensor to be used in the D5s. The D850 seems to be a new species that is both fast and high resolution.
I'd still like a D700 replacement that offers crazy high ISO with still decent image quality.
the iterative progress we're seeing in these DSLRs is remarkable > Adding and merging innovations into inherited features; in the case of the Df, the camera is built on the venerable ergonomics inaugurated in all the finery of the FM2/FE2/FA guild. The pro models beginning with the D3, and the D7xx, D8xx lineages are (have been) superb, truly.
Equally the D500 in DX. The latter being one remarkable camera.
hopefully free of glitches, the D850 should be a DSLR of Note ! These times we photographers live in have never been better :-)
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this is going to come out around september. traditionally, the big makers sell their stuff before the trees change colour here in Japan so that the old Japanese guy on pension (カメラ叔父さん or "camera uncles") can buy the new cameras to shoot that ::) sad but the older guys on pension have the money to buy these things here.
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another camera before christmas :o :o :o
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Hi ISO and high resolution don't really go together ... You could easily downsize to ~23 MP (half size) and get reduced noise and still a good sized image. Will be interesting to see how that stacks up against the 24MP D750...
I wonder if it will really do 46MP at 10fps? That is a huge amount of data to push around. It might shoot that fast only in crop mode or at lower resolutions?
understood on both points.. and i think that 46 & 10 would be some sort of breakthrough in throughput for the commercial market..
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Sony does 42MP at 12 fps with the A99 II it should not be a problem for Nikon. The mirror can slow things down a bit in terms of fps etc. but it should not affect the processing of data.
With XQD card, the buffer clearing time should be shorter as well.
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Would be nice. Assuming raw files
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I guess it wont be a Baby Nikon D5 but if so, rather a Baby Nikon D5X
There should be a D5s next year (which would mean D5 sensor, but faster and somewhat upgraded camera) but instead there will be a D5x (as also rumored) with the D850 sensor in a pro body and even faster?
Dont know what would be more difficult to sell next spring, after a D850 coming out this autumn
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Latest from NR, including possible price..."A UK based store sent out emails where they suggested that the price of the D850 will be "somewhere around £3,499" (around $4,600, VAT is probably included - US prices are usually lower)" :-\ :-\ :-\
Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2017/08/01/additional-nikon-d850-specifications.aspx/#ixzz4oWfI6CpM
https://nikonrumors.com/2017/08/01/additional-nikon-d850-specifications.aspx/#more-114316
In the past week I have received a lot of details on the new Nikon D850 DSLR camera - thanks to everyone who sent me an email. Here is an updated list of the rumored D850 specifications:
45-46MP full frame CMOS sensor
Improved low and high ISO
New and improved version of SnapBridge
No built-in GPS
Tiltable LCD touchscreen just like the D750 and D500
Memory card slots: one SD and one XQD
AF system from the D5
No built-in flash (from the teaser picture)
Back illuminated buttons (from leaked pictures)
Joystick selector (from leaked pictures)
Built-in Bluetooth and Wi-Fi (from leaked pictures)
8K time-lapse video capabilities (from promo video)
The D850 will be on display at the Photo+ Expo in October
4k UHD video in FX format (with no crop)
No EVF or hybrid viewfinder
Fast fps (8fps or more)
New: the D850 LCD will have twice the resolution of the D810
New: slo-mo Full HD 120fps video
New: the SD slot will support UHS-II
New: improved LiveView split-screen display
New: improved silent shooting mode
New: improved battery life
New: lighter than the D810
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I wonder if we will have the ISO 64 that is in the D810. My guess is not likely. Anyone have thoughts on that?
From NikonRumors: "Improved low and high ISO"
Improved low ISO can only mean better dynamic range, whether that is at ISO 100 or 64 doesn't really matter.
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New: the D850 LCD will have twice the resolution of the D810
The D810 LCD has 640x480 resolution made of RGBW dots = 1.2 million dots.
The D850 will likely share the same LCD as the D5 and D500, which is 1024 x 768 resolution made of RGB dots = 2.36 million dots.
So the number of dots is a shade under twice as many, but the resolution is over twice as high.
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another camera before christmas :o :o :o
I'm hoping for another camera before I die or go blind. This is far from assured.
Dave Hartman
Please Send FREE Time! (tm)
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Here it is..
Nikon D850 Full Specification
New 46MP FX Format sensor
AF system same as Nikon D5
4K Videos
full HD 120fps video
Tiltable LCD touchscreen
Improved dynamic range
Continuous shooting speed upto 8fps
Improved low-light performace
New and improved version of SnapBridge
No built-in GPS
Memory card slots: one SD and one XQD
Back illuminated buttons
Joystick selector
Built-in Bluetooth and Wi-Fi
8K time-lapse video capabilities
The D850 will be on display at the Photo+ Expo in October
No EVF or hybrid viewfinder
D850 LCD will have twice the resolution of the D810
SD slot will support UHS-II
Improved LiveView split-screen display
Improved silent shooting mode
Better battery life
lighter than the D810
The camera shipping of the camera will start from October and we can expect its official announcement on September 2017.
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::) , well, have to say the rumour list is pretty extensive. We'll see how accurate
Tom
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Generally if something costs one pound in the UK including VAT it will cost $1 in the US excluding sales taxes. If I order the camera from B&H or anyone else without a physical presence in Texas, there is no sales tax collected. We are supposed to file a use tax return locally, but enforcement of that in consumer transactions is extremely rare.
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And if I order anything from outside the EU I can add 25% for tax ....so STOP BREXIT
As for the spec ..46 mp is not enough pixel density to replace my 24 mp DX birding cameras.
Flip screen no use to me
Silent mode ??? The two clicks on the present quiet mode is worse as the celebrant thinks you took two pictures ..some are very click sensitive.
Memory ? Why do Iwant to buy XQD at stupid prices when I can run my 810 with two SD cards ,one in a CF to SD adaptor?
Touch screen is a pain ..you got to turn it off ...Nose problems
Pro controls ..horrible even if they put a lock on the memory functions.
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i think the flip screen is a step backwards in a pro body.
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As for the spec ..46 mp is not enough pixel density to replace my 24 mp DX birding cameras.
How often do you get a real benefit from the small difference in pixel density (20 vs. 24MP)? It would require a very high quality lens at or near optimum aperture and perfect focus.
Flip screen no use to me
I have found angling the screen to be useful for some angles e.g. photographing a canyon from the river towards the top, also for astrophotography as well. I think it is useful for some crowd shots with hands extended. For macro low on the ground I would like to see a screen that tilts around two axis instead of just one. However, I don't consider this a critical feature; I can work with a fixed screen but sometimes a tilting screen makes working a bit easier.
Silent mode ??? The two clicks on the present quiet mode is worse as the celebrant thinks you took two pictures ..some are very click sensitive.
Silent mode isn't the same as quiet mode. In silent mode there is no mirror movement (it's a live view feature) but currently (in the D5) it is limited to small jpgs. If the silent mode is improved it probably means high resolution photos can be captured using it, maybe even RAW.
If you want to use quiet mode and only hear one click, turn the camera to quiet continuous (Qc). At least on the D5 then the mirror comes down right after the shot is taken instead of when you lift the finger up.
Memory ? Why do Iwant to buy XQD at stupid prices when I can run my 810 with two SD cards ,one in a CF to SD adaptor?
XQD cards (Sony G series is what I use) are quite reasonably priced at B&H photo-video.
There are many advantages to XQD:
- contacts are not open to touching so they're not soiled as easily
- hard rugged casing
- convenient size
- higher performance so buffer clears quickly
- fast copying of files to the computer
If you photograph birds I assume you sometimes can benefit from high frame rate (bird in flight images). If you use high frame rate you probably want a bigger burst depth and XQD helps with that.
Touch screen is a pain ..you got to turn it off ...Nose problems
In which camera have you found it to be a problem? I don't think I've had one accidental operation happen with the touch screen of the D5 but in that camera it's restricted to some functions. If the camera uses touch screen more extensively, it can be implemented in such a way that it knows when your face is against the camera and can automatically cancel touch screen operation in those parts of the screen that are blocked by your face. This is implemented in the D5600 at least. I think touch screen is great for reviewing images and saves some time. I would expect that in the D850 they would permit the focus point in LV to be selected via touch screen which should be much faster than rolling and rolling and rolling forever to move the focus point from one side of the image to the other.
And yes, you can turn off all touch screen functionality if you don't like it. I have not seen any need to do so.
Pro controls ..horrible even if they put a lock on the memory functions.
Memory functions? Which pro controls are horrible?
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i think the flip screen is a step backwards in a pro body.
Flip screen of the D750 made it easier to make this image:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ilkka_nissila/28452996773/in/dateposted-public/
(Two shot exposure blend).
I think I could have twisted my neck making the series of different exposures using a fixed LCD. In fact I focus bracketed the image too (though it was not necessary for the end result here).
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One thing I used to like about my old yashica and rollei was the right angle viewer to take shots at ground level or overhead. Flip screen would be welcome!
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One thing I used to like about my old yashica and rollei was the right angle viewer to take shots at ground level or overhead. Flip screen would be welcome!
I bought the 90 degree, 6x finder for every Nikon from the F2 to the F5. It was good for critical focus and low angles. Some of the time 45 degrees would have been more useful. It was reversed right to left like a TLR.
If it's built well and clips in place well a flip screen will be welcomed by me for low angle shots.
Dave
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Touch screen is a pain ..you got to turn it off ...Nose problems
I have nose problems with the "game pad" and changing the focus point on my D800. I'm not a great fan of touch screens but sometimes they are quite practical. I hope as Ilkka doesn't find a need to change settings I won't either.
Pro controls ..horrible even if they put a lock on the memory functions.
What are the "Pro controls" and "lock on the memory?" I assume these are different from my D800??
Dave
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As for the spec ..46 mp is not enough pixel density to replace my 24 mp DX birding cameras.
I am using the D500 (which has a higher pixel density than my D800) with its something like 21 Megapixels for birdshot, and I have never found it to have too little pixel density, and never felt that just 24 would bring much more benefit. I would not trade the AF, the 10fps andthe Cache of the D500 against a 24 Pixel DX body, i am finding these features more essential to bird photography.
BTW 46 Mpx on FX is equalling 21 when set to DX, so a fast D850 can take some of the role of the D500 while benefiting from FX advantages if needed.
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Can only concur on the prowess of the D500 for action photography, birds especially. And there's an emerging consensus among wildlife photographers that the D500 is the ideal complement to the likes of the D810 [posts on NG and many on www e.g. https://backcountrygallery.com/nikon-d500-review/ ]
I found the interface and ergonomics of the D500 unfamiliar at first, including its screen innovations. They took some time to appreciate: and returning to a D750 for a few weeks fully confirmed the superiority of D500 features. One superb camera
Migrating the D500 controls into the D850 will be great. It will be all the more impressive if Nikon have indeed succeeded in scaling up the best features of the D500 into the D850 ;D ;D ;D
I am using the D500 (which has a higher pixel density than my D800) with its something like 21 Megapixels for birdshot, and I have never found it to have too little pixel density, and never felt that just 24 would bring too much benefit. I would not trade the AF, the 10fps andthe Cache of the D500 against a 24 Pixel DX body, i am finding these features more essential to bird photography.
BTW 46 Mpx on FX is equalling 21 when set to DX, so a fast D850 can take some of the role of the D500 while benefiting from FX advantages if needed.
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Can only concur on the prowess of the D500 for action photography, birds especially. And there's an emerging consensus among wildlife photographers that the D500 is the ideal complement to the likes of the D810 [posts on NG and many on www e.g. https://backcountrygallery.com/nikon-d500-review/ ]
Thanks for the link, gave some interesting proposals for configuration, I'd like to try
And yes we will see what will be scaled up
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still no built-in focustune.