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Gear Talk => What the Nerds Do => Topic started by: golunvolo on February 15, 2017, 15:11:40
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Hello.
I just bought a nikon d80 with 156 shutter count in order to change the internal filter. The camera itself was very cheap -90€- even thou is almost new. The plan is to make the conversion as cheap as possible. So far I´m going to buy a filter "ir enhanced" from lifepixel and install it myself.
Before I get to it and if you have a better idea, I´m open go suggestions
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I just did a D80 conversion with a Hoya R72. It's pretty straightforward. 2 notes of caution: get the right driver (JIS) for the screws as I gnarled one of the heads on mine, and make sure you seat the ribbon wire clips properly. When I put mine back together it would shoot fine but no images were being written as the main ribbon wasn't making a connection.
Cheaper than a lifepixel filter is a normal lens filter (R72 or equivalent to what you want)....but it's difficult to cut it. You need to buy a glass cutter, some 400 grit wet sandpaper, and spend about an hour with it. I just bough a lifepixel for the D200 I'm converting as it will save me a bunch of time and be the right thickness.
good luck!
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Hi Paco
Don't worry, the IR surgery on a D80 is easy. Just follow the indications on Lifepixel's site and you should be fine.
Things you should pay attention to:
1. if the camera doesn't work when you assemble it, it is most likely a flat & flexible connector that was not properly inserted.
2. Dust is your enemy! How many times did I have to start over?
3. Make sure you have the appropriate screw driver. You don't want to destry the scrw head and yet be unable to remove it...
4. Be quiet, work in a well lit place, no wine before you start...
Of course, it all happened to me!
Olivier
Edit: brent_e said it all and very well (I started typing my message long before I hit the post button).
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I disagree about the wine portion, YMMV.
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Flat cables are so difficult to deal with, there are so many different designs of the locking mechanism and they are fragile as well.
Either buy a set of tools for them or make your own,,,
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I disagree about the wine portion, YMMV.
:)
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Thanks you for all your advise. I think I will go the already cut filter route with the proper screwdriver.
This may take some time since I still have to order it. Will keep you posted and will take some pictures of the process once it happens. If you have any more advise, please, don´t hesitate.
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Paco, you may already know this, but here is a tutorial for converting D80 on Life Pixel website:
https://www.lifepixel.com/tutorials/infrared-diy-tutorials/nikon-d80-ir
Apparently you would also need a star-shaped screw driver (sorry I don't know the correct term. It is not Torks) to get to the sensor.
Wish you a good luck and am looking for the IR images in your style.
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Also, you should keep in mind that the D80 doesn't offer live view, which means that you have to compensate for the focus shift after you focus in visible light. The amount of the compensation will vary according to the IR filter you use (or actually the wavelength you are in). A denser the filter will require more amount of the compensation.
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Paco, you should use the IR on your dancers!
It will make the skin silky smooth...
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If you want a cheap and easy to cut filter, Edmund Optics sell a very effective "resin" filter in the size of 50x50mm. It is also thinner than most glass filters. The drawback is it's more prone to scratches from cleaning.
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Akira, I have seeing that information in lifepixel, thanks! I have been thinking about doing this for some time now. A camera with liveview will be perfect...was looking at a d300 but couldn´t resist this deal. Also the fact that it looks "easier" to transform. Will have to learn again to focus I guess. Will see :)
Jakov, thats the plan, to revisit old and new subjects. Man, a whole new world, how can anyone resist!
That looks like a weird you glowing :)
Sten, is this the one you are talking about?
https://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/optical-filters/longpass-edge-filters/optical-cast-infrared-ir-longpass-filters/1918/#f=categories_s|*C41I*,productId_i|1918,28105_s|50.8%20x%2050.8
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Yep, that's the one.
I have cut a few Hoya and B&W filters and they are very prone to chipping. Of course, a readily cut one from Lifepixel is easier but more expensive.
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just go lifepixel and save yourself the trouble :o :o :o
i had no choice because IR filters are banned here in Japan because you can use it to shoot through clothes ::)
which one will let you do that? please let me know ::)
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just go lifepixel and save yourself the trouble :o :o :o
i had no choice because IR filters are banned here in Japan because you can use it to shoot through clothes ::)
which one will let you do that? please let me know ::)
I need to go to Japan and shoot through clothes :D
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i had no choice because IR filters are banned here in Japan because you can use it to shoot through clothes ::)
which one will let you do that? please let me know ::)
A Wratten 87-class filter will do. The caveat is that clothes must be wet, thus it'll work on swimwear but not on a street scene.
Tested on my girl friend who agreed to put on a swim suit although she prefers skinny-dipping, Nordic style.
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aha :o :o :o
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When you say Wratten 87 class filter is it 87a, 87b, or 87c?
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Checked the archive and it was Wratten 87. But the others will serve as well.
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So that means all IR filters will do nicely. The Wratten 87 cuts of at 720nm if I am not mistaken?
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The filter that cuts 720nm and above is Wratten 89B. 87C is denser (around 840nm, IIRC).
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The "equivalence" between filter designations (and brands) is very approximate.
The Wratten 89B *should* be the same as Hoya R72, ie. having its 50% point at 720 nm. However, B+W O-92, claimed to be "89B", actually is more like a 695 nm long-pass filter.
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Hello.
I just bought a nikon d80 with 156 shutter count in order to change the internal filter. The camera itself was very cheap -90€- even thou is almost new. The plan is to make the conversion as cheap as possible. So far I´m going to buy a filter "ir enhanced" from lifepixel and install it myself.
Before I get to it and if you have a better idea, I´m open go suggestions
Paco
I bought my filter very cheap from eBay store in Australia http://stores.ebay.com.au/JJCAMERA
Currently having 50% off so may be worthwhile.
I am not affiliated with them but am happy with my D200 conversion I did myself with lifepixel walk through.
Good luck
JJ
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Project update:
after breaking down one d80, bought a second one. The flat cables...lets say I´m not very handy with them. The screws wear down rapid so no many tries. After opening and closing and reconnecting everything 3 more times, the second body works sometimes :o
Exposure is ok and it nails autofocus with the 50g 1.4 when it fires :o
Have to take 3-4 shots in rapid succession because at least half of them will be a blank image -pink actually- I may have to open it again but I´m not confident of the results. As of now, this is my first Ir image ;D
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And this are 2nd and 2nd and 1st together by mistake ;D
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Aha, now you have got a creative camera :D
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Creative and temperamental. I might call her Lola ;D
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Creative and temperamental. I might call her Lola ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Creative and temperamental. I might call her Lola ;D
is she a showgirl? :o :o :o
now, that's something hipsters will die for ::)
those flat cables are a pain. you need to have flat tweezers
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The camera is still making happy mistakes. It is a pain to shot with her as She Shoots When She Wants or SSWSW. I still had a blast yesterday. Post processing images in IR is going to be another big challenge as I´m use to very little on my regular shots. This is to show what She does...sometimes :)
Oh, this is not Post but camera "dysfunction"
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Partial tone curve reversal - isn't it great to have a camera that can do a spot of solarisation on its own, with no available means of controlling what it does?
This is obviously an example of AI - Artificial Intelligence in photographic disguise :D
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It is exhilarating! I´m catching presents from my new friend. She makes me work for it but she gave me this. I haven´t been so happy for a new image in a very long time.
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Paco is discovering a new world :)
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Very nice, but I hope for you that you will get it to work in a more stable way,,,
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no need for acid :o :o :o
spring is around the corner so it's IR time!!!
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All images are coming with a veil of haze and have to be heavily post processed. At this point I don´t know if it is the camera conversion -by myself-, the filter -type, cut by me, instalation-, the lens -nikon 50mm 1.4 G- or somethig else. This one of the few with some color in it.
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Paco, I think that you have mastered IR :D
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Thanks Jakov,
You are too gentle, but I am, for sure, standing in the shoulders of giants.
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I like the latest image, Paco.
The flare/ghost can occur according to the lens, the replaced internal IR filter or their specific combination.
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Paco: enjoy the camera and share the results with us. Doesn't matter from whatever reason these bizarre images originate.
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Today was the day to try the 24-70 2.8. The day was as dull as they come and it started raining so this was taken from my balcony.
There is a band of color in the upper top most of every frame
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Even the occasional IR hotspot of the 24-70 came out as an enhancement of the image :D You must guard this camera as a true treasure, Paco.
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Bjørn, you like Lola! ;D
No worries, I have considered opening and rearranging her but it is now out of the question. It is cheap and easy to make an ordinary perfectly working ir camera and I may do just that leaving this one be, faults and all.
If and when we finally get a chance to meet, I´ll introduce you all to her 8)
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Great images! Very colorful!
You might look into which lenses are less hazy in IR,,, ;) just a hint ;) if you want to try something else
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I haven´t even finished processing the images from today. I´m very very busy but still had to find sometime to shot in this new world. Crazy fun.
24-70 2.8 nails the focus at short distances but not for far away objects. It is that normal? Also there is a hot spot in the center of the image but not always.
Colors come and go as they please. I have to dig into the file to find out what is there. Yes!
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Paco, I love the acid colours and compositions :)
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Thank you Jakov,
I don´t want to bother you guys because I´m shooting don´t stop with my new toy. I´m going to post some images from today -actually some 30 minutes total around my working place- just to show how everything is new for me again. Some standard IR processing, a portrait, mundane objects and what I consider 2 happy mistakes, a panorama and a little impact.
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Magnifico!
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Thank you Chip,
a couple more indirect discoveries and weird effect. Oh, you can see through sunglasses! I guess this is old news here but it was an impact to discover :)
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Today I got an image that is sharp and well exposed?
I think I´m progressing.