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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: stenrasmussen on January 19, 2017, 08:48:03
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Lots of exciting products:
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-announces-gfx-x100f-x-t20-xf502-first-looks-pre-orders-more-live-blogging/
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The GFX looks like a very comprehensive modular system! I'm sure it will be a success!
The slow flash sync shutter speed of 1/125 is very strange though, re our recent leaf shutter ramblings,,,
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It has a retina-grade LCD on the back, detachable EVF, and will eventually take LF lenses, plus a much larger battery than the Hasselblad X1D, etc. It does not have the leaf-shutter, but then I have yet to figure out how I would benefit from the leaf-shutter in the X1D anyway.
I will buy one of the two, the GFX or the X1D, and have orders in for both. The X1D still shows no sign of shipping in the U.S. yet, and what very, very few deliveries overseas that I have heard of, don't add up to much. It's a worry, and now I wonder whether all of the delay in the delivery of the X1D was as simple as Hassleblad jumping the gun and securing their place in line (and kind of deceiving us), while they tried to finish up the camera, etc.
The GFX has none of the svelte charm and coolness-of-design of the X1D, but it looks like a workhorse.
Here is a good write-up:
https://jonasraskphotography.com/2017/01/19/the-fujifilm-gfx-50s-review-portable-beast/
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Lots of exciting products:
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-announces-gfx-x100f-x-t20-xf502-first-looks-pre-orders-more-live-blogging/
Thank you. As owner and avid user of the X100T I see that button placement & layout have been dramatically improved with the X100f, so I will ask my local brick & mortar if he is ready for an upgrade deal.
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Jonas is too modest. His work is really impressive
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Wow...
I have absolutely no reason for buying the GFX, except I *want* it.
Like my beloved X-T2, but on steroids...
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I have absolutely no reason for buying the GFX, except I *want* it.
If that is not an argument for a seasoned NG-Head I do not really know what argument should be called an "argument" at all.
But do not sell your wife and kids for it!
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Wow...
I have absolutely no reason for buying the GFX, except I *want* it.
Like my beloved X-T2, but on steroids...
Oh dear oh dear, Simone
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And here is how I will be attacked:
X-T2
18-55
23/2
50/2 (alternatively 56/1.2 if the former doesn't please me)
The Fuji extension tubes plus some batteries
I already got:
X-T10
35/1.4
and have secured a 90/2
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And just for a touch of humor, I probably deserve to be among the great unwashed and own a Fuji, since I am not, by nature, in the Hasselblad class of folks. LOL
I have both the X1D and the GFX on order. I will return one, probably the X1D, if I were to ever receive it. The haptics and ergonomics are near perfect, but beyond that it looks like the Fuji is a workhorse and more my style.
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why will someone buy at xt2 over an xt20, is it the same sensor ? one says xtrans the other xtrans with color array
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Well the AF point selecting joystick is essential for me (present in X-T2 but not X-T20). I would not buy a new camera today without one.
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why will someone buy at xt2 over an xt20, is it the same sensor ? one says xtrans the other xtrans with color array
I would expect it to be the same sensor and hence same IQ. My understanding is that it is the case with X-T1 and X-T10 as well.
I consider the X-T2/X-T1 to have a great EVF and, for me who use eyeglasses, the eye relief of the X-T1/2 works better for me compared to the X-T10/20. A weather sealed body would also be a factor for me. But it doesn't come cheap and I'm probably not going to get an X-T2 :-)
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why will someone buy at xt2 over an xt20, is it the same sensor ? one says xtrans the other xtrans with color array
Armando, the X-Trans is a colour array, an alternative to the normal Bayer colour array. The difference in wording is just that.
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Armando, if you handle both models you will see and feel another reason for 2 over 20!
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Armando, if you handle both models you will see and feel another reason for 2 over 20!
In this case we can safely say less is more 😎
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One good thing about Fuji is that they skipped the full-frame format and went directly into the medium format. Alas, Pentax went into the full-frame after it opened the new market with 645D/Z...bad move!
Here is a report of the release event held in Nijo-jo castle in Kyoto:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1039920.html
Sorry, all texts are in Japanese, but some images should be interesting. Notice the LF camera adapter. :)
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Pentax has made a lot of lenses for 35mm full frame, so it understandable that they would want to provide support for them in the form of a 35mm full frame camera.
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That's for sure, but most of the full-frame lenses had been developed during the film days which should need to be redesigned. I'm not sure if Pentax would have enough "stamina" to manage three different interchangeable lens formats.
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Well, a lot of discussion on this very site is about use of older lenses which give their own advantages compared to modern lenses. Pentax has kept its mount for a long time and there is a great deal of bargains available in terms of older lenses. Of course many people prefer newer lenses, which Pentax is making but perhaps not at a fast enough pace. I guess the problem is that once you've been long enough absent from a market, people move elsewhere. But I do think Pentax has some advantages.
Their medium format has the same problem that most lenses are not modern and were designed for 645 full frame, not the sensor size that they're using in their digital MF cameras. However, if they want to revitalize interest in their brand, making a few good cameras is a good start. They can make new lenses over time. I certainly hope that they do.
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Pentax mount does allow using older lenses even including M42 mount ones via a simple adapter, which can be a big plus. That said, the success of the full-frame Pentax would depend on the demographic of such enthusiasts. Considering that Pentax started nearly ten years later than Canon or Nikon. I would hope them good luck that the situation for the full-frame DSLR would remain the same.
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I've caved and am officially handing in my Nikon stuff. In return I will end up with two Fuji bodies, 5 lenses and a much smaller bag 😊
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I've caved and am officially handing in my Nikon stuff. In return I will end up with two Fuji bodies, 5 lenses and a much smaller bag 😊
Sten, how many times before have you ping-pong'ed between Nikon and Fuji? ;)
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As long as Sten is content and happy, it doesn't matter which camp he at present is settled into.
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As long as Sten is content and happy, it doesn't matter which camp he at present is settled into.
No polemic intended, more like lighthearted fun.
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Of course. We both known him in person, thus more like good-natured banter.
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Sten, how many times before have you ping-pong'ed between Nikon and Fuji? ;)
Haven't really ping-ponged...always kept some Nikons and have owned Fuji cameras over the last 4 years. This time however I am moving to Fuji. If the Df gets a follower I am more than willing to try it out. What does remain a fact is that I will/want the lighter alternative. Besides, I enjoy life the way it suits me at any given time.
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The Fuji announcement is a strong statement of their intent to be a major player in the digital camera market.
The GFX is priced very aggressively and shows that they intend to make a big impact in the studio market. The X100F shows that they have not forgotten the rangefinder enthusiasts. The X-T20 reaffirms their commitment to the prosumer market, again with an aggressively priced camera.
Announcing all three at the same time is not a coincidence. Fuji is saying that they are here to stay and buying into a Fuji system will not risk being abandoned in the near future.
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Availability and Pricing
The new FUJIFILM GFX 50S Medium Format Camera Body will be available Late February, 2017 in the U.S. and Canada for USD $6,499.95 and CAD $8,499.99.
Also available in February, 2017 will be the first three FUJINON GF lenses. GF63mmF2.8 R WR for USD $1,499.95 and CAD $1,899.99, GF32-64mmF4 R LM WR for USD $2,299.95 and CAD $2,999.99, and GF120mmF4 R LM OIS WR Macro for USD $2,699.95 and CAD $3,499.99
For the Price of a D5 I can get a Medium Format Fuji? C'mon, girls & boys. This sounds is a no brainer to me!
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Looking forward to your findings again this time Sten! Always a new angle on the technology ;)
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I get a sense of some angst by Sten regarding a move to a Fuji system, I went through the same sort of umming and arring about a move, but now I wonder why I waited, so as Sten has had some previous experience he at least knows what he will be getting! I'm sure he won't be disappointed!
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For the Price of a D5 I can get a Medium Format Fuji? C'mon, girls & boys. This sounds is a no brainer to me!
I like Fuji, and the small medium format is a very exciting proposition, but I would say it is not that clearly a no brainer.
I am ready to bet that the D5 will shred the GFX when it comes to performance, think sports and wildlife.
Having said that, since I don't do that kind of photography, if I had that kind of money burning a hole in my pocket, I would probably get the GFX.
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I get a sense of some angst by Sten regarding a move to a Fuji system, I went through the same sort of umming and arring about a move, but now I wonder why I waited, so as Sten has had some previous experience he at least knows what he will be getting! I'm sure he won't be disappointed!
Thanks for the reassuring moment you just gave me Mike!
My biggest conundrum is what lenses to start with...quite a pleasant problem as Fujinons are all great.
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The question is: What is good enough IQ, speed, handling, etc.? With every choice comes sacrifices and so in my case. But the winning points outweigh the loosers so summa summarum I win ;D
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I like Fuji, and the small medium format is a very exciting proposition, but I would say it is not that clearly a no brainer.
I am ready to bet that the D5 will shred the GFX when it comes to performance, think sports and wildlife.
Having said that, since I don't do that kind of photography, if I had that kind of money burning a hole in my pocket, I would probably get the GFX.
Yes. For super high ISO and sports the GFX is not yet tested
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And it does not have to be an either or choice.
I am sure that a Fuji X-T2 kit can sit quite nicely along side a Nikon FX outfit.
Just my 0.02c.
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My Fujinon lens line up is 16, 23, 56, 60macro, 10-24, 18-55, 18-135, 50-140 + 1.4xTC, 2xTC. The 16 & 23 are f1.4 versions and razor sharp.
The 60mm macro will be PXed when the 80mm macro is released! IMHO there is a telephoto hole in the Fujinon line up, something like a 300mm would go down a treat!
The one Nikon lens I regret parting with is the Nikkor 300, f4 PF, but I could not afford to keep it, its place is taken up by a Samyang 300 mirror lens, which of course is a MF lens.
All the above lenses are very good, which leaves me with the problem of which ones to take and when, quite a nice problem really!
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For me the 1/125s flash sync in the GFX 50s is really where I lose interest. Otherwise, the body and lenses planned/promised seem very nice. I would want to use it for portraits and I would be often mixing available light and flash for those. 1/125s (which may have to be dropped to 1/100s with some triggers; typically the official sync speed is good with the manufacturer's own flashes) would mean if the subject is moving and there is any available light contributing to the picture, there will be some blur. It would also mean that compared to Nikon, I would have to output 1 stop more flash light to balance with sunlight during daylight portrait shoots, which is a distinct disadvantage.
Leica S offers 1/500s with central shutter lenses (30mm x 45mm sensor size) and Hasselblad X1D even syncs to 1/2000s with its lenses (though no doubt there is some loss of flash light at the highest speeds, I use fairly high speed flash heads with short flash duration). Hasselblad also supports Nikon TTL flashes, which is convenient when desiring to take advantage of the fast sync speeds, one may not have to use a studio flash at all.
Hasselblad's lenses have smaller maximum apertures, so that would have to be balanced with the decision. But for me it is obvious; I am not willing work with a 1/125s or 1/100s flash sync. It feels a strange decision when competitors (with comparable sensor size) are offering 1/500s to 1/2000s sync speeds. The Leica S is too expensive for me but the Hasselblad with current pricing suggested at their web site seems competitive, especially if one wants to do portraits with flash in various environments including, when necessary, full daylight.
Are Fuji saying if they will be offering central shutter lenses one day?
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Ilkka, Fuji offers at least two means to use lens shutters for faster flash synchronization: a mount adapter for GX645AF lenses and a film back style adapter for the view cameras. I'm not sure they would offer the operational comfort that satisfy your need, though.
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Manual focus only?
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Manual focus only?
Unfortunately, yes. Other functions including the synchronization up to 1/800 sec. works.
Here's the official detailed info on the H mount adapter G:
http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/accessories/lens/#mountadapter
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...and here are the 117 "looks" on GFX system:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1040360.html
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The image showing it mounted on the view camera is kind of ridiculous, but it would be nice if the hand grip were not prominent of the lens mount so you could actually use some normal-ish lenses.
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They have really done an exceptional good job of making this a true System Camera, it seems that the modular approach has been to a very high level!
Kudos to Fujifilm for their effort! Really impressive amount of accessories of all sorts,
Strange their adapter can do 1/800 sync speed while the AF lenses only does 1/125,,, I don't get that,,, - For products 1/125 is sort of enough is a god stabile tripod is used,,,
This actually looks like a very nice addition for state of the art studio/location work!
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They have really done an exceptional good job of making this a true System Camera, it seems that the modular approach has been to a very high level!
Kudos to Fujifilm for their effort! Really impressive amount of accessories of all sorts,
Strange their adapter can do 1/800 sync speed while the AF lenses only does 1/125,,, I don't get that,,, - For products 1/125 is sort of enough is a god stabile tripod is used,,,
This actually looks like a very nice addition for state of the art studio/location work!
That's because flash sync with the focal plane shutter is only 1/125 but with the adapter one can use the leaf shutter on the lens instead.
(just in case you overlooked this detail...)
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I know that,,, today there are just so many workaround ways to solve that!
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I know that,,, today there are just so many workaround ways to solve that!
Could you clarify that?
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Nikon has HS High Speed Sync, works very well.
Elinchrom has a series of flash heads called: High Speed, or HS, both battery and cable types with long flash times, ie the flashlight emits light for a long time as opposed to the other way of freezing the action where you would use a flash head with a very short emission of flash light, Elinchrom called the Action Head or A.
It synchronizes with the flash via their remote trigger Skyport Plus HS so it starts to fire before the shutter opens, then when the flash emits almost a constant amount of light - the shutter slit travels to the end of the exposure. up to 1/8000 of a second is possible with this set up.
Their old series Standard Head or S also works in HS with the however not up to super fast shutter speeds, up to 1/800.
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Okay, but using high speed sync (or Nikon's Auto FP sync) at faster sync speeds than the one supported natively by the mechanical focal plane shutter you lose one stop of light for every stop that you go above the sync speed, i.e., with the Fuji's 1/125s sync speed, a 400Ws unit effectively becomes a 200Ws at 1/250s, 100Ws at 1/500s, and so on. With a central shutter such as the ones in Hasselblad's X series lenses there should be little loss of flash output if the flash duration is short enough compared to the exposure time (with Quadra Action heads the 400Ws pulse has a 1/2800s t.5 duration; 1/5700s for 132Ws) or Nikon's speedlights (SB-5000 M1/1 1/980s, 1/5160s at M1/8 and so on), I would imagine 1/1000s should still work nicely. So with the Hasselblad's CS lenses you should be able to accomplish similar things in terms of balancing flash with daylight using a smaller flash unit that has 1/10 of the output than what you would need with the Fuji's focal plane shutter. Of course, if you need a lot of depth of field then this consideration may not be primary, but for individuals and couples, there is not so much depth of field needed, and so a small flash can be sufficient.
Thus the use of a central shutter translates into lighter lighting gear, which is important when working outdoors on a hot July day. Carrying heavy flash gear, stand, modifier, and the necessary sand bag around when shooting the formals in the summer heat can mean I will be sweaty the whole day afterwards and my cameras will feel sticky the rest of their lives. With the Hasselblad, a much lighter flash could do the job; problem solved; no sticky cameras and a less sweaty photographer.
High speed sync solves the other problem which is how to get access to wide apertures when shooting with flash and bright ambient light, but it's not the problem which I have.
Quite a lot of wedding photographers seem to solve the portability issue by simply using straight head on flash on a stand without modifiers, to avoid the effects of wind and to get enough light to balance with sunlight, but I reject the hard light of direct flash even as fill, it doesn't provide proper gradations on faces and 3D features of the subjects.
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Anyway, perhaps Fuji makes a couple of central shutter lenses with AF on the GFX in the future. If they do, most of my reservations about the product go away.
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Okay, but using high speed sync (or Nikon's Auto FP sync) at faster sync speeds than the one supported natively by the mechanical focal plane shutter you lose one stop of light for every stop that you go above the sync speed, i.e., with the Fuji's 1/125s sync speed, a 400Ws unit effectively becomes a 200Ws at 1/250s, 100Ws at 1/500s, and so on. With a central shutter such as the ones in Hasselblad's X series lenses there should be little loss of flash output if the flash duration is short enough compared to the exposure time (with Quadra Action heads the 400Ws pulse has a 1/2800s t.5 duration; 1/5700s for 132Ws) or Nikon's speedlights (SB-5000 M1/1 1/980s, 1/5160s at M1/8 and so on), I would imagine 1/1000s should still work nicely. So with the Hasselblad's CS lenses you should be able to accomplish similar things in terms of balancing flash with daylight using a smaller flash unit that has 1/10 of the output than what you would need with the Fuji's focal plane shutter. Of course, if you need a lot of depth of field then this consideration may not be primary, but for individuals and couples, there is not so much depth of field needed, and so a small flash can be sufficient.
Thus the use of a central shutter translates into lighter lighting gear, which is important when working outdoors on a hot July day. Carrying heavy flash gear, stand, modifier, and the necessary sand bag around when shooting the formals in the summer heat can mean I will be sweaty the whole day afterwards and my cameras will feel sticky the rest of their lives. With the Hasselblad, a much lighter flash could do the job; problem solved; no sticky cameras and a less sweaty photographer.
High speed sync solves the other problem which is how to get access to wide apertures when shooting with flash and bright ambient light, but it's not the problem which I have.
Quite a lot of wedding photographers seem to solve the portability issue by simply using straight head on flash on a stand without modifiers, to avoid the effects of wind and to get enough light to balance with sunlight, but I reject the hard light of direct flash even as fill, it doesn't provide proper gradations on faces and 3D features of the subjects.
I know!
That Is why I suggest to get an Elinchrom HS,,, No need for Leaf shutters and you can use AF,,,
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Yes but the Quadra, battery, cord and head weigh about 3kg together, while an SB-5000 weighs about 500g.
I am planning on acquiring one Quadra high speed head later on; I already have the HS transmitter.
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Yeah 😊
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Fuji have really attacked in style Sten, great choices!
I presume the X-T2 is being used to take the picture?
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Fuji have really attacked in style Sten, great choices!
I presume the X-T2 is being used to take the picture?
Nah, the T2 was still in the box. Pic made with the iPhone 7 Plus.
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Lots of goodies there, Sten. The Fuji attack seems conducted in the most stylish manner. :)
That iPhone 7+ picture looks good. :o
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Hope you survived the attack, and that you recover to show us some pictures :)
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Nice collection, Sten.
You need to add the Fuji EX-F500 flash, then you have HSS.
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A nice collection indeed. Enjoy!
But please tell us Sten, "how did you manage to smuggle this lot in past your wife/GFs watchful gaze"? Or do you keep them at work? (Nah, just kidding!)
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Lots of goodies there, Sten. The Fuji attack seems conducted in the most stylish manner. :)
That iPhone 7+ picture looks good. :o
The 7 Plus is actually very, very capable.
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Nice collection, Sten.
You need to add the Fuji EX-F500 flash, then you have HSS.
Will likely add it later. For now I am more interested in converting my X-M1 to IR.
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A nice collection indeed. Enjoy!
But please tell us Sten, "how did you manage to smuggle this lot in past your wife/GFs watchful gaze"? Or do you keep them at work? (Nah, just kidding!)
I simply told her it makes sense to go smaller 😊
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He he - Congratulations! Enjoy ;)
Looking forward to you usual - unusual review images! ;)
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He he - Congratulations! Enjoy ;)
Looking forward to you usual - unusual review images! ;)
Thanks...and yes, they will come.
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Today I pulled the plug after seven months of waiting for the X1D. I cancelled my order. It was not just the delay, but after much investigating, monitoring posts, hearing from the few actual users, and so on, it is clear to me that the X1D does not lend itself to my particular approach to photography, which is nature, still-life, and stacked images. The less-than-state-of-the-art LCD screen (LiveView), and particularly the fact that there is no toggle-joystick to quickly locate a focus point, and the fact that I frequently use a photo-loupe to check focus, makes it inconvenient to try and use touching the screen. The color looks good on the X1D, but I have confidence that raw files from competitive MF mirrorless cameras are probably workable. Luckily, I ordered the Fuji GFX within hours of its availability, so now I am waiting again, but for a different camera. LOL. If, in the intervening time, Nikon should produce a 54 Mpx update on the Nikon D810, I might just go with that. Also, as regards the GFX, the fact that there are now tests suggesting the Otus lenses work well on the GFX is meaningful to me, since I have them. And the 3-way tilt-able back-screen is very useful to me as a close-up photographer, often to be seen crawling around on all fours with a tripod. Tilting the screen or being able to look directly down on it is a feature I could use.
I am aware that others will have different reasons for getting (or not-getting) the X1D; it looks like a very nice camera. And while, initially, I loved the minimalism of the X1D, through this long waiting-process, I have realized I am more a gearhead than I thought. I need all the technical advantages of something less-than-minimal. If the X1D is a Porsche, then I guess I drive an SUV, which in fact I do. It has been a fun ride, nevertheless.
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Sound reasoning. Please report your eventual observations.
Personally, I do not look forward to the touchscreenization of camera rear viewing screens.
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Yes, the Otus lenses are be prime candidates for Tilt Shift adapters on Sony A7 series of cameras :)
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Fotodiox releases GFX mount adaptors for different lenses:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/2444175299/fotodiox-pro-launches-five-gfx-lens-adapters
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Fotodiox releases GFX mount adaptors for different lenses:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/2444175299/fotodiox-pro-launches-five-gfx-lens-adapters
I have the Fuji GFX to Nikon Mount and aside from "G" lenses, it should take any F-Mount lens. In fact, not sure about vignetting, but this mount will go right on the back of the Cambo Actus or Novoflex BALPRO bellows directly. Of course, I need my GFX order to arrive before I can see what problems may be there. However, it snaps right on the Actus, etc.