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Images => Critique => Topic started by: golunvolo on December 10, 2016, 12:44:17
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I´m finally back...again.
This is an image from an ongoing project for the promotion of a new show. Haven´t even finished processing because of a problem with the computer; life goes on.
I had to do the shooting in a never seen before dance stage-studio with, lets say, less than optimal lighting. First day I delivered in those conditions I put a label in myself that is giving me both trouble and work: "I know you can do it"
The image showing here was taken using a wall in the corridor and light form a window once I grow tired of trying to make do with the other ones.
Now I will kindly ask that you forget all that story and give some criticism of the image by itself.
There are more images, very different from each other, coming from this same day. If anything interesting pops up, I will share here as well
Thanks in advance!
Oh, I think it was Erik? who pointed out to be careful with the marks of the underwear. The advise was noted and the result here. Thanks!
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IMO expression is good, muscle tension is good, the sex sells seduction topic is clearly worked out. Colors are good, skin tones not very smooth possibly due to light. I do not see MUA on her back also. I think this shot could raise some interest for the show.
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Really great!
All I would do is make sure is that the surface of her pants are smooth or more even.
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I find the image visually cacophonous.
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the pants do not seem to fit correctly ?
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The shoe as head wear goes hand in hand with the crease in the pants. Adds a lot of interest to the final picture, whether it was intentional or not.
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Not that I can so this type of photography myself, but I find thelack of smoothness in then pants distracting.
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I'd like to see more dynamic lighting, something that helps shape her and adds a stronger sense of depth to the picture.
Seeings how this is a posed studio shot is it an option to bring in your own lighting so you do not have to rely on the less than optimal existing lighting?
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i don't know about you folks but the shoulder blades bother me.. otherwise nice.
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I like the muscles and bones. The crease in the pants is more distracting. I think that B&W should work well, maybe give it a try ?
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Welcome back, Paco.
I feel that the image lacks the focal point (not the focusing of the lens). To me, the compositional elements with the strongest impact and attraction are the dancer's muscle on her back and the shoe on the head that reminds me of Salvador Dali.
I may try to trim the image right below her hands (but without trimming the frills of the left sleeve) and process it as B&W with the simulation of a high contrast grainy film with some vignetting on the corners.
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IMO expression is good, muscle tension is good, the sex sells seduction topic is clearly worked out. Colors are good, skin tones not very smooth possibly due to light. I do not see MUA on her back also. I think this shot could raise some interest for the show.
Thanks Frank, she is an accomplished dancer.
Really great!
All I would do is make sure is that the surface of her pants are smooth or more even.
the pants do not seem to fit correctly ?
Not that I can so this type of photography myself, but I find thelack of smoothness in then pants distracting.
the pants do not seem to fit correctly ?
The pants are not fitting. They are, for the sake of meaning, symbol, character and the show, a pair of real bullfighter´s pants with over a hundred years old. Wear out and not fitting are part of what we were looking for. Maybe not so succesful? Jury is out
The shoe in the head was one of the motives we started the shooting.
I find the image visually cacophonous.
It can definitely be that. Not sure if you mean it as praise, critic or statement.
i don't know about you folks but the shoulder blades bother me.. otherwise nice.
Sorry it bothers you. I was looking for some expression in the back as well. Symmetry and static pose dindn´t work as well as this approach, I think.
I'd like to see more dynamic lighting, something that helps shape her and adds a stronger sense of depth to the picture.
Seeings how this is a posed studio shot is it an option to bring in your own lighting so you do not have to rely on the less than optimal existing lighting?
I like the muscles and bones. The crease in the pants is more distracting. I think that B&W should work well, maybe give it a try ?
Welcome back, Paco.
I feel that the image lacks the focal point (not the focusing of the lens). To me, the compositional elements with the strongest impact and attraction are the dancer's muscle on her back and the shoe on the head that reminds me of Salvador Dali.
I may try to trim the image right below her hands (but without trimming the frills of the left sleeve) and process it as B&W with the simulation of a high contrast grainy film with some vignetting on the corners.
I tried the crop and bw processing. It does work but of course, it also makes for a whole new image.
Thank you all for your generosity with your comments and for stopping by. I hope my replays don´t come out as defensive or not appreciating yours, I´m trying to keep the conversation alive and on track for the purpose. Is very interesting to see how it is read as an standing alone image.
This is part of a session with some other targets in mind and a balance in general. I will try to put some here to give an idea of the work as a whole.
I´m back and my computer is working again :)
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Mongo had an instant reaction to this image (the first version). Mongo thinks the visual effect on one’s senses of any image is the most important. All the technical stuff and picking at small detail is of secondary importance e.g. the pants etc.
First reaction was that it is a fabulously creative composition and combination of elements that momentarily both puzzles and entices the senses. It has all the elements of a nude, mono, colour and almost abstract all in one (and possibly, a little Dali in there also). It is food for the senses and the mind. Needless to say, Mongo loves it and applauded its creator.
in relation to the pants and other points raised, perhaps these could be tidied up but would make no difference to its impact ; particularly its initial impact before viewers start examining every pixel. Mongo thinks an image like this is about the idea and not so much how it is executed. Its execution while not flawless, was pretty darn good in any event
In relation to the background, Mongo played with red, gold (from her pants) and dark charcoal but the original still seems best.
Thank you Paco for feeding Mongo’s starved imagination with something positively creative.
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Your B&W version is very effective. I'd however keep the legs, so the pants are more easily recognized, and (above all) the slender silhouette is kept. The crease can be slightly "ironed" in PS I guess.
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Sorry it bothers you. I was looking for some expression in the back as well. Symmetry and static pose dindn´t work as well as this approach, I think.
Just me.. no big deal.
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Paco, thanks for posting the rework. That works to me very well, although Airy's point makes sense.
I strongly wish that the pants were red. Then the original color version would look fantastic even with some crease.
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I get the pose, the pants tradition and the shoe as the toreador hat (so very cool!!!). All works nicely.
But the eye stop caused halfway down the photo by the change from black-lace-on-skin to blue/gold pants
breaks the flow badly. Black and gold pants, perhaps?? Or possibly gold lace?? Keep the eye moving from the frayed pants seam (which just *makes* the photo, imho!) all the way up the braid or lace to the shoe - and then back down.
This is a wonderful idea to work out. Enjoyed seeing it.
(I hope this comment is not too difficult to translate.)
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I like the shot. I know that it is an improvised studio/lighting setup.
If there was more control. I would improve...make more visually dramatic...the lighting.
Also, the white background is less desirable for this subject than a darker background would be.
Maybe for the final promo material the background can be changed.
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Also, the white background is less desirable for this subject than a darker background would be.
Maybe for the final promo material the background can be changed.
Ah, then the red background would be nice! A fauvisme look would suit the motif.
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A Matisse red, yes?? "-)
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A Matisse red, yes?? "-)
Yup! :)
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This combination was actually shot with a red background too. A red shall, beautiful piece of work from the 1800s :o I still like the idea but the pictures didn't come out good enough...We did some red dress with dramatic stage lighting and some with a very interesting tiny led lights around the body. All an all fun with results to complement each other.
Thanks a lot for all your input.
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Thank you for showing us the interesting work you make!
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First, I also think a dark red tone backdrop would suit the first image, I would try a heavy velvet theatre curtain,,,
Quite a style change here,,, definitely worth more work to have fun with pin point lights like that ;) Nice one!
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I think the first one is a very powerful composition. It is a story of power and passion but also suggests space. It makes you think: is this a dancer or a matador. or both. It peaks my interest in learning more about the show. The second one is too tight but I can understand why you did it (distraction of the less-than-perfect fit). Ironing the crease may helpm as Airy said.
I wonder how a black background and a combination of spotlight and silhouette would work out. My initial thought is that it would have made the story even more powerful. But as you said, you had to work through the difficulties of the environment.
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Mongo had an instant reaction to this image (the first version). Mongo thinks the visual effect on one’s senses of any image is the most important. All the technical stuff and picking at small detail is of secondary importance e.g. the pants etc.
First reaction was that it is a fabulously creative composition and combination of elements that momentarily both puzzles and entices the senses. It has all the elements of a nude, mono, colour and almost abstract all in one (and possibly, a little Dali in there also). It is food for the senses and the mind. Needless to say, Mongo loves it and applauded its creator.
in relation to the pants and other points raised, perhaps these could be tidied up but would make no difference to its impact ; particularly its initial impact before viewers start examining every pixel. Mongo thinks an image like this is about the idea and not so much how it is executed. Its execution while not flawless, was pretty darn good in any event
In relation to the background, Mongo played with red, gold (from her pants) and dark charcoal but the original still seems best.
Thank you Paco for feeding Mongo’s starved imagination with something positively creative.
To have a reaction is the ultimate effect. So far, mission accomplished. Thanks to Mongo!
Thank you for showing us the interesting work you make!
First, I also think a dark red tone backdrop would suit the first image, I would try a heavy velvet theatre curtain,,,
Quite a style change here,,, definitely worth more work to have fun with pin point lights like that ;) Nice one!
New image as "to be continued..." :)
I think the first one is a very powerful composition. It is a story of power and passion but also suggests space. It makes you think: is this a dancer or a matador. or both. It peaks my interest in learning more about the show. The second one is too tight but I can understand why you did it (distraction of the less-than-perfect fit). Ironing the crease may helpm as Airy said.
I wonder how a black background and a combination of spotlight and silhouette would work out. My initial thought is that it would have made the story even more powerful. But as you said, you had to work through the difficulties of the environment.
The show points to transformation; becoming something different so a duality in identification means we are in a good track.
There is some black background and a whole section of the photo-shoot was used to pursue shadows. How do you guys know? :o
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I´m planning on adding up to 5-6 more images to show the extend of the project as they come out of the pipeline. To start and keeping on the little lights a couple of strong symbols came out.
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Very Nice! I like that new kinky style :) Very good use of colour and bright point light and how it lends with the overall lighting and shadows!
Outstanding.
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Love the Embryo!
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I mentioned something about more dynamic lighting earlier, this last one certainly surpassed my thoughts on the matter. You've elevated this series to a new level, a much more interesting and mysterious level.
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Thanks Erik, Frank and Charlie!
From the same lighting but different approach. It was needed some light in the face and/or eyes or she will virtually disappear no matter how strong the lights around her upper body. Food for thought.
Last one with the little lights.
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I'm finished. This is sample of a day worth of shooting. Still deciding what goes into poster/dossier/media/social etc...
Thanks for all your comments and ideas
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To Moderators, I think we are back to whatever changes the topic name to "La bestia" :o
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The eyelash shadow in the first one is quite unique! Wonderful :)
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Paco, they are blessed to have as are we here at NG enjoying your images.
I really don't know why your title of a post changes to Labestia2??? Are you sure your internet browser doesn't change that automatically when you write a reply to a post?
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Really like these last series, starting from the christmas light shots, fantastic results
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Great series, Paco. Love the light and shadows in #2609
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The eyelash shadow in the first one is quite unique! Wonderful :)
Paco, they are blessed to have as are we here at NG enjoying your images.
I really don't know why your title of a post changes to Labestia2??? Are you sure your internet browser doesn't change that automatically when you write a reply to a post?
Really like these last series, starting from the christmas light shots, fantastic results
Great series, Paco. Love the light and shadows in #2609
Thanks a lot.
That shot with the lights and the eyelashes was a surprise. We had to adjust the little leds in order to have some light in at least one eye or she will disappear. At some point the huge fake eyelashes made the shadow prominent, it had some "A clockwork orange" flavor to it that fit me and the shoot just fine. It took some time and effort to get to this one.
I´m happy you guys like it.
P.E.: now it is Ok, no changes in the topic´s name. It seems random so far.