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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: atpaula on December 08, 2016, 23:55:49

Title: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: atpaula on December 08, 2016, 23:55:49
@ f/1.4

(https://nikongear.net/revival/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1011.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faf237%2Fatpaula%2Fatpaula011%2FaD4S_5559_zpshs0k9tek.jpg&hash=e13db2cde81b12124fe2e91d975f4a23b42e1cea) (http://s1011.photobucket.com/user/atpaula/media/atpaula011/aD4S_5559_zpshs0k9tek.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: Tristin on December 09, 2016, 01:29:43
While the 105/1.4 is a stunner, it still falls prey to this bokeh scenario that I avoid now.  Having the ground (typically) at such an angle imparts quite an unpleasant effect.  In my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: pluton on December 09, 2016, 03:51:06
This shot would probably not be a good choice to use in an advertisement for the lens.
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: stenrasmussen on December 09, 2016, 06:31:47
With such high contrasty background you'd need an even faster lens to "melt" it out. Try stopping down to f2 or so and see if that helps.
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on December 09, 2016, 09:29:18
This example only indicates the "swirly" component of the overall bokeh.

We ought to keep in mind the influence not only of the aperture setting, but also magnification of detail., to the manner in which a lens 'draws' outside the plane of focus.
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: Erik Lund on December 09, 2016, 09:45:22
This also has a lot to do with post processing.

The Leica M Noctilux produce a very similar Bokeh.
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: Jakov Minić on December 09, 2016, 09:46:26
Aguinaldo, thank you for showing it again.
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: MFloyd on December 09, 2016, 10:02:43
I'm quite surprised to watch such an unresty bokeh.  Not suitable for an advertisement for sure.
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: Frank Fremerey on December 09, 2016, 10:26:20
This also has a lot to do with post processing.

My thoughts exactly. Sharpening with too large a radius producing heavy halos.

And Aguinaldo: you got so many shots showing that you know how to handle these files.
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: Erik Lund on December 09, 2016, 11:17:48
Please don't forget that many people like/prefer this type of Bokeh behaviour for some types of images,,,
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: atpaula on December 09, 2016, 12:00:17
Thank you guys.
The pp in this one was nothing different from my usual.
No oversharpening and no extreme contrast applied.
I like this picture, but it is a reminder that a superb lens is not enough to produce superb images.
People tend to think that owing a super lens makes them good photographers.
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on December 09, 2016, 12:28:12
"People tend to think that owing a super lens makes them good photographers."

A wide-spread myth, unfortunately. However, the manufacturers and photo stores love the idea.
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: stenrasmussen on December 09, 2016, 12:45:03
On the flip side; A photographer with no lens will struggle more so a super lens is quite handy  ;D
(not including pinholes, beer cans, etc. in this line of thought)
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: Tristin on December 09, 2016, 17:48:09
This kind of bokeh is not a PP thing.  It can, however, be helped by selectively applying a negative clarity value in ACR.  Luckily, it is easy to avoid in the first place once you have run into it a few times.
Title: Re: Bokeh of the 105mm f/1.4E
Post by: Frank Fremerey on December 09, 2016, 19:12:08
People tend to think that owing a super lens makes them good photographers.

BEZ told me that he had employed a photographer for his wedding who had obiously no idea what he was doing.

To save the day he grabbed some point & shoot and put it into the hands of a guest and asked him to take a few shots.

Later he developed the p&s shots and all of them were superb, much better than the paid for shooter's.

He did not know that the guest was a very good professional photographer who could take the best shots with ANY equipment.





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