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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: Anthony on September 15, 2016, 00:30:33
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I think this camera will be a game changer for Fuji, as the D3 was for Nikon.
It looks very similar to the X-T1, but is in reality very different. There are many changes, some large and some subtle, and I am sure I have still not found them all.
My immediate impressions of the image quality of the new sensor are that it is excellent, but I need to do more testing.
The first thing I noticed is that the is much more responsive. The AF is fast and precise, something where the X-T1 was weak. With AFC the viewfinder snaps straight into focus, with none of the pulsing which made it unusable for me in the X-T1.
The viewfinder is even better than the previous model, which was always a strength. More importantly, the refresh rate is much faster, even in standard mode (I have not yet tried Boost mode, as this works best with the grip which has not yet arrived for me). Tracking moving objects at 8fps in AFC is now easy - in the case of the X-T1, I felt I was always playing catch-up.
Fuji has listened to the complaints about the AFL set-up, and it is now possible to decouple AF from the shutter button and use proper, Nikon style, back button focussing. This can be switched from the AFL button to any of the eight function buttons. I have set it to the AEL button as recommended by the Fuji rep, as it suits my hand better.
These changes mean that I now feel comfortable with using the camera for action and wildlife, which was not the case with the X-T1. Now all I want is some more long lenses from Fuji.
The push central button and turn dial system for ISO (and to take the shutter speed button out of A) has gone, and has been replaced by a press to unlock and press to lock button. So you can have locked down ISO or shutter speed dials, or have them click turn. This is a big improvement as far as I am concerned.
Focus point selection is by a joystick, which is a huge improvement on the D-Pad. The buttons on the D-Pad have reverted to being function buttons.
There is a two button press to format the sd card, so no need to go into the menu for this.
There are two sd slots, one for a UHS II card and one for a UHS I card. The UHS II cards I have (Lexar 300mb/s) are dramatically faster than my fastest UHS I cards, and I recommend UHS II to get the full benefit of the extra capability of the camera.
There is a new centre weighted metering mode, to add to spot, matrix and average. Unfortunately, in average mode, the control is awkward to move. As I never use average, this is not a problem for me.
The shutter button release is threaded for a standard cable release.
The battery can be charged in camera through a USB cable plugged into a computer.
The menus have been significantly rearranged and are now much more logical.
All in all, I would say that Fuji have responded to user comments, and have changed what needed to be changed while mostly not changing what was fine.
The camera is well thought out and is a pleasure to use.
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Anthony, thank you for the extensive summary of the XT-2!
What a treat!
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Anthony, thank you for documenting your opinion, very valuable , specially since you use the Nikon dslrs and the xt1
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I will echo Anthony's thoughts. Anthony as I said on FotoZones both card slots are UHS II slots, whereas the X-Pro2 only one slot is UHS II and the number 2 slot is UHSI.
When unpacking the X-T2 I thought that something was missing as it felt very light and I'm used to an X-T1, amazing.
The remote iPhone app works well with WIFI but it does blackout the EVF and LCD. A t first I thought thats no good, but of course you don't need them if you are working remotely,
The push on push off dial locks are super and a vast improvement.
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Thanks, Mike you are correct, both card slots are UHS II. I blame the fact that I was writing too late at night and was too lazy to check something.
The X-T2 is heavier than the X-T1, 507 gm with battery and card as opposed to 440 gm.
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All in all, I would say that Fuji have responded to user comments, and have changed what needed to be changed while mostly not changing what was fine.
I think this is the greatest difference between the "old" giants, represented by nikon and canon, and the emerging future, represented by olympus and fujifilm. Their ability to listen and act upon the advice of their users. Their ongoing improvement of their product line thru firmware updates is another example. Their lens line up is also almost complete. Remind me why I use nikon gear again? ;)
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Thanks for the summary Anthony.
As I mentioned yesterday the joystick and the bevelled edge below the rear command wheel are great improvements ergonomically.
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Remind me why I use nikon gear again? ;)
Because the size of the format matters?
Dave
Your Nikon is an FX model isn't it?
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I have all the Nikon stuff and I am too lazy to change.
But I stay away from my camera shop because the Xpro2 felt so perfect in my hands that I did not want to let it go. Very hard to leave the beauty in tge shop.
Plus I love the way these all metal Fuji lenses feel. Very tempting. The 1.2/56 and the 1.4/23. All very tempting.
Yet another classy body with the Xt2. Even have to stay further away from the shop.
Thank you Anthony for the write up!!!!
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No GPS? A deal-breaker for me. Otherwise, the camera sounds lovely and I certainly will give it a go-over.
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Geotagging is available by wireless connection to a smartphone with GPS. I was not impressed by the X-T1's wireless implementation, and I have not yet tested that in the X-T2.
The LCD screen now tilts vertically and horizontally. There is no pivot, and the screen seems well supported. I was surprised how useful I found the tilting screen in the X-T1, and this should be even more useful.
Paradoxically, the more I use the tilting screen, the less useful is back button focussing, because the more the camera is moved from being level with the eye, the harder it is to operate both the back button and the shutter button together.
The AEL and AFL buttons could be more prominent. I may add some Sugru to deal with this.
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Thanks for the write up! Looks like a really fine tool ;)
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Thank you Anthony!
You have addressed many of the things I was curious about the X-T2.
Even though I was already almost sure I would buy one, now that intention has become stronger.
Looking forward to a more in-depth review when you have had more time and experience with it.
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Maybe it's a regional or cultural thing, but I've always felt that although Nikon's response may not be immediate, they do react to customer feedback and usually take it into account in their designs, if the suggestion is genuine and useful.
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Because the size of the format matters?
Dave
Your Nikon is an FX model isn't it?
Ahh. Thank you, thats the reason! ;)
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It might happen that the observations will come in small bites over time as you know it's early days yet. Anthony has summed up the the camera admirably for initial impressions!
And for goodness sake let's not get into the false argument of "my sensor is bigger than your sensor"
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Hi,
how fast "feels" it compared to a D7xxx? Tried X E1 and T1 and it felt very(!) slow...
Harald
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Hi,
how fast "feels" it compared to a D7xxx? Tried X E1 and T1 and it felt very(!) slow...
Harald
My XE-1 is glacially slow. Reminiscent of an SX-70 in many situations. I've been waiting to see what Fujifilm can do to speed up the cameras. The XT-1 was a definite improvement; maybe the T2 will make it even better.
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Hi,
how fast "feels" it compared to a D7xxx? Tried X E1 and T1 and it felt very(!) slow...
Harald
I have not tried a D7xxx, sorry.
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Hi Anthony,
any other Body to compared? I just mean "working speed" not Things like Autofocus. ;)
Harald
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Harald, I also have the D3s and the D800.
I have just run a quick test of the X-T2 and the D800. My impression is that in some circumstances the D800 has slightly faster AF. It also powers up slightly faster (but the X-T2 is not slow). Overall working speed is similar, with much depending on familiarity with the controls.
I regard the D800 as a very fast camera. I have made a lot of good action shots with it, including BiFs. I am confident that I will get a lot of good action shots with the X-T2. I will take it on my upcoming wildlife trip and leave the Nikons behind.
Please do not regard my comments as the end of the story. I am sure there are others who are far more expert who will have more scientifically valid views than my quick efforts.
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Hi,
waiting for your practical experience. :)
Harald
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Anthony, I would be interested in which lenses you are going to take with you to Easr Africa? I imagine the 100-400mm will be one!
Cheers Mike
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Anthony, I would be interested in which lenses you are going to take with you to Easr Africa? I imagine the 100-400mm will be one!
Cheers Mike
Yes, I think Anthony mentioned the 100-400 and also the 18-55. Each with their own camera attached.
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Sten, now you mention it I think he did tell me something like that.
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Anthony, thank you for the mini review. I have seen other reviewers saying that the grip (Vertical Power Booster) is a must. That however makes the camera as bulky as a smaller DSLR and defeat the purpose of getting more portable but capable camera for me. What is your take on this?
Also I would like to hear how is the AF/high ISO performing in not so ideal light conditions?
Alex
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Alex, I don't think Anthony has his grip yet?
I got one because I had a deal, I suspect it won't get a lot of use, because of as you say the extra bulk, so my take would be the same as yours! I found it reasonably comfortable to use, but it does make the camera a lot more awkward. Hope that helps.
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Thanks for posting your findings Anthony. Sounds like a massive improvement over the X-T1 which I ended up selling, especially because of the AF speed.
I wonder what has made it so much heavier?
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Anthony, thank you for the mini review. I have seen other reviewers saying that the grip (Vertical Power Booster) is a must. That however makes the camera as bulky as a smaller DSLR and defeat the purpose of getting more portable but capable camera for me.
Fujifilm says (http://www.fujifilm.com/news/n160707_01.html) the shots per charge with one battery is 340, and with the grip you can get "up to" 1000 shots per charge - for three 1260 mAh batteries. That is not a lot - eg, the D7200 uses the EN EL-15 = 1900 mAh and gets 1100 shots per charge. That, of course, is a consequence of the high power consumption inherent in the mirrorless design.
The XT2 is only a more portable camera if you can rely on daily access to a power supply. It is remarkably difficult to find out what the dimensions and/or weight of the power grip are, but based on what I can find out the XT2+power grip is bigger and heavier than a D500 and still gets fewer shots per charge (not to mention being the same price when you buy two extra batteries).
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Well, there's a price to pay for having a good EVF...
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Les, I carry a X-T1 + 3 batteries + 3 lenses + 1 polarizer box in a small bag which could not hold my D700 + 2 batteries + 2 lenses. Additional batteries are small and light, no need for a grip if you just want longevity.
And of course, there is this wonderful EVF.
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It would be interesting to see some comments on Olympus battery life?
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I have an Olympus OMD E-M1 and three batteries. Under heavy shooting, the worst I have done is about one and a half batteries in a day where I am guessing that I took about 500 shots, with minimal chimping and keeping the camera off where possible. Not a very precise answer I am afraid, but the battery consumption does not stick out as a big issue with this camera.
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Thanks Hugh, your answer echos what I do with my Fuji and get a similar result maybe, I'm not sure!
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It would be interesting to see some comments on Olympus battery life?
Equally bad. One day out with the Olympus = one non-empty battery in the camera and two spare ones, full of course. So what ? except of course that batteries are not for free.
Then again, one outing with the Df = one non-empty battery in the camera and one laden spare battery (two if I use AF, VR and such lenses).
Difference ? negligible.
Of course if replacing a battery may ruin the shooting session, a camera with grip is the only way, no matter if DSLR or mirrorless.
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My little Fuji goes with 3 batteries. The remaining battery symbol is not very reliable.
Therefore I tend to have one spare with me. I do not use the display on the back. If
I need to chimp I do it in the view finder.
My Nikons are all bulky but any one of them lasts through a day of shooting or a week possibly.
Several thousands of shots. Also with them I do not use the display. I cannot see anything there
Anyway. Need my glasses.
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Of course if replacing a battery may ruin the shooting session, a camera with grip is the only way, no matter if DSLR or mirrorless.
I remember when replacing batteries was necessary only twice a year. But then you had to replace film after every 36 shots.. unless of course you had a 250 shot bulk film back ;)
When I bought my Fuji X-E1 that only have an EVF I was a bit reluctant and did consider the need of having a number of extra batteries charged. I now carry two extra batteries which usually is more than enough for the amount of shots I usually make. Some gear/shooting drains battery faster - e.g. when I use my Fuji XF 60 macro intensively - probably due to the design of the focus motor in this type of lens.
Now it is just routine to carry extra charged batteries. As far as I've read the X-T2 has approx. the same battery life as my X-E1 and I wouldn't mind having the far better EVF of the X-T2 ... even if I have to carry one more battery :)
Anthony and Mike - thanks for sharing your experiences and thoughts!
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Thankyou Lars, it is through this and other websites that we are able to share our experiences, tips and tricks to our mutual benefit, and long may it continue!
Also every now and then we may actually post the odd photo. ;D
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Les, I carry a X-T1 + 3 batteries + 3 lenses + 1 polarizer box in a small bag which could not hold my D700 + 2 batteries + 2 lenses. Additional batteries are small and light, no need for a grip if you just want longevity.
Sure, although reviewers have suggested the grip is also essential for balance, particularly when the larger lenses, such as the 100-400, are attached. Fuji agrees: the website shows the camera only with the battery grip when the 40-150 and the 100-400 are attached and says that with those lenses "Add the Vertical Power Booster Grip to the body to hold the camera more comfortably" (http://www.fujifilm.com/news/n160707_01.html).
The point is to compare weights and costs at roughly equal performance. Even without the grip, two batteries for the XT2 weigh 150g - which makes the XT2 less than 20g lighter than the D7200 when both have power for 1000 shots. And those batteries cost $68 each, which is not a lot, but for the same dollars B&H will sell you a pristine used 35mm f/1.8 DX for your D7200.
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I actually think that discussing 100-300g of weight differences is irrelevant unless one has very specific needs.
Also, as mirrorless has matured we see an increase in size, particularly on the lens side.
That leaves us with the issue of mirror/no-mirror (OVF/EVF) and AF performance.
It eventually boils down to what animal is pulling your cart.
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It would be interesting to see some comments on Olympus battery life?
I've used some mirrorless cameras like Panasonic G1, GH2, GX8, Sony NEX-5N/R/T and Olympus EM5 MkII. My impression is that the mirrorless cameras use roughly twice or three times as much battery power as DSLRs do (I've used D2H, D7000, D610, D750, Canon 5D MkIII), and Sony was the worst in this regard.
I'm not professional, and I've never had my mirrorless cameras without at least a spare battery, whereas I've never been in need of a second battery for my DSLRs.
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Virtually any mirrorless camera, or small-sized DSLR, would benefit from having more weight. The heft makes handling more secure and comfortable.
If a grip is required to get a better weight distribution, so be it. Human digits are not possible to downsize anyway. Thus too small a camera makes handling it awkward.
I second Akira's experience regarding battery consumption. All mirrorless devices used by me over the years, whether Olympus, Panasonic, or Sony, have had a voracious appetite for battery power. Again, Sony was the most hungry for power. My late Sony A7 easily went through two batteries per day. The makers should really address these issues instead of ever slimming down their cameras.
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When I shot for long periods as some PR events and used a Nikon FE2 I'd have a sore, red indent in my right little finger. That finger didn't fit on the face of the camera due to the camera size. The MD-12 motor fixed that problem.
Mass = Inertia: it's harder to hold a light camera steady than a medium weight one.
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Well, we are now back to the endless debate of mirrorless vs slr. No one is right or wrong, it is all a matter of preference. It is great to have the choice, and it also great that most of us obviously do not regret the ones they made. I certainly am satisfied.
Back to the X-T2 now!
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Well, we are now back to the endless debate of mirrorless vs slr. ....
Nope. We express a call for sufficient weight (and size for handling), nothing else. Applies to any format or platform.
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Well, we are now back to the endless debate of mirrorless vs slr. No one is right or wrong, it is all a matter of preference. It is great to have the choice, and it also great that most of us obviously do not regret the ones they made. I certainly am satisfied.
Back to the X-T2 now!
Olivier, we are just comparing the battery life. I've also loooooong been fed up with "which is superior" debate.
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I agree with Bjorn, although my earlier enquiry was to ask about the battery life of Olympus cameras as I've no experience of them! As on another couple of Fuji specific sites there have been moans about Fuji battery life! I was interested to hear if the "problem" was a particular Fuji matter or other brands such as Olympus were also affected and it seems so.
I'm really impressed by the X-T2 it is very responsive and to my amateur eyes the image quality is as good as it gets! Please don't forget this is purely my own opinion, yours may differ! The lock buttons on the the ISO and SS dials are are so much better than previously, the quality of the screen fonts has improved also the menus. The joystick is great and frees up the D pad buttons to be function buttons again, the speed of operation has also improved, AF is also much faster than the X- T1, all in all a very good update!
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I haven' t had a chance to see the real XT-2. The most curious about the camera is the mechanism of the 2-way tilt LCD!
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As I was locked out of my X100T-camera tonight due to the notorious "Frame Number Full" bug:
Is that issue finally solved now in the X-T2???
Now I remebered that you do nbot need a replacement battery but also a freshly formatted card you never used in you Fuji before...
It hit me a second time now since I bought the camera in January 2015 and my total stands at less than 17.000 clicks
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One of the worst offenders in respect of battery consumption that I have experienced was my much otherwise loved Nikon F100.
With the exception of a Kodak DC4800 P&S, which could only manage ~80 shots/battery charge, no other digital camera that I have used has been too bad. They include D70s, D200, D700, D810, Df, Sony C3, Panasonic G3, and Olympus OMD E-M1 (although the Sony was the worst of this line up and the G3 is not up to the Nikons or the Olympus). I have avoided add-on grips (except for the F100 (needed) and the D700 (got a good deal and could not resist)).
I have always purchased two extra battries with my digital cameras, and learnt the hard way early on that buying third party batteries is a complete and utter waste of time and money. Carrying extra batteries is much less of a chore than carrying large amounts of film, especially if the film has to be kept cool in the summer months, so I just accept that having spare batteries with you is part of the deal with digital cameras. The D200 and D700 were nice in that they both shared the same EN-EL3e battery.
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Good point, some battery standardization could help.
Agree too on third party batteries : I purchased one for the OM-D; half price but half capacity = not a good idea.
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When I bought my D800 it came with a spare Watson brand battery rated at 100mAh less than the Nikon battery. I've had no problems with it. When I bought a third battery I bought the Nikon battery. Since I dabble in video and with a VR lens I think of three batteries as a minimum.
I swap out batteries with 40-50% remaining as Battery University said this will extend battery service life.
Dave
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In published interviews, the Fujifilm product managers in charge of the X system clearly stated that they had heard all the user complaints about battery life, but decided that a bigger body (to accommodate the bigger battery) was the greater sin.
Personally, I wouldn't have minded a slightly bigger body, since the Fuji cams are right on the dividing line between being small and too small.
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Keith, that is very interesting and obviously answers a few questions. As someone with fairly small hands I like the size, maybe the Fujifilm designers need a course of how to cram more stuff into the body. ;)
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Frank, your reply begs the question why on earth didn't you empty the card?
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I actually think that discussing 100-300g of weight differences is irrelevant unless one has very specific needs.
Whether 100g or 300g is meaningful depends on the camera design. If you hold something tightly in your fingertips it gets hard very quickly, because the small muscles in your hand are adapted for fine movement, not sustained effort. To carry the object in your hand you use the muscles in your forearm, and that is much easier because those muscles are adapted for sustained effort.
The effect is that 300g makes a huge difference if you have to carry the camera in your fingertips because it does not have a proper grip, but much less difference if it does - ie, with small cameras, small differences matter more than bigger differences with bigger cameras that have bigger grips.
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I much prefer a small battery, as it keeps the camera light. It is very easy to carry spare batteries if necessary.
My grip has not yet arrived, and will not do so before I go away. It would have been useful, for the extra capacity, but I will manage fine without. I am comfortable with the 100-400 without the grip.
As Sten mentioned, I will have the X-T2 as backup, and with the 18-55 on it ready for close encounters.
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Anthony I hope you and your wife have a super holiday(not really jealous at all honest) also I'm sure you mean your X-T1 + 18-55 as the backup, and please don't get too close to anything that bites, stings or has bloody great claws. ;)
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Frank, your reply begs the question why on earth didn't you empty the card?
Because it does not help, Mike.
You need a freshly formatted card, fresh card, formatted externally.
And you have to set the counter to start counting from Zero with every fresh card.
Stupidity at work.
Any other camera in the world makes a new folder. Finishing folder old with abc9999 starting folder new with abc0000 and so on. Only the X.Series blocks operation on an empty card. 10 pics on a 32GB card.
There are several pages describing this firmware bug.
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Frank,
Outside chances: you might try formatting your SD card with the SD Association, SD Formatter and then formatting it again in your camera. Here is a link...
https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/ (https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/)
I don't remember why I got this format utility but it fix some problem I had with something along time ago. It is available for Windows and MAC.
Best,
Dave
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Another thought: the SD cards have a protected area. The data that causes problems with your Fuji XT1 might be stored there. In that case you'd need a utility that can format that area. The SD Formatter doesn't work on that area.
The more I think about this the more I wonder if the problem is with data the camera has written to the protected area of the SD card. I tried a quick search but didn't find a program that addresses the protected area. I'd contact the SD association. One should be able to format this area. I'd hope they would help.
Dave
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Many of these formatters are a way of getting over the frustrating 32GB limit that Windows puts on FAT32 file formatting. In other words, you need such tools to format 64GB cards (or greater) on a Windows computer. IIRC, Macs also suffer from this nonsense.
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Anthony I hope you and your wife have a super holiday(not really jealous at all honest) also I'm sure you mean your X-T1 + 18-55 as the backup, and please don't get too close to anything that bites, stings or has bloody great claws. ;)
Mike, thanks for your good wishes.
You are right about the camera - I keep writing X-T1 when I mean X-T2, some brain disconnection going on!
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Frank,
Outside chances: you might try formatting your SD card with the SD Association, SD Formatter and then formatting it again in your camera. Here is a link...
https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/ (https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/)
I don't remember why I got this format utility but it fix some problem I had with something along time ago. It is available for Windows and MAC.
Best,
Dave
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Another thought: the SD cards have a protected area. The data that causes problems with your Fuji XT1 might be stored there. In that case you'd need a utility that can format that area. The SD Formatter doesn't work on that area.
The more I think about this the more I wonder if the problem is with data the camera has written to the protected area of the SD card. I tried a quick search but didn't find a program that addresses the protected area. I'd contact the SD association. One should be able to format this area. I'd hope they would help.
Dave
Sorry. It is a known Firmware bug. As far as I understand it Fuji has admitted that but has not yet published a fix. It affects nearly all x series cameras and it is discussed in several sites.
So my question again: Is that fixed in the new cameras XT2 and Xpro2???
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Frank, why don't you format a new card in the camera, or am I missing something. Sorry if I've got hold of the wrong end of the stick?
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I was in a pub with friends. Had a fresh 32GB empty in my cam and some spare batteries.
After a few frames the cameras goes into lockdown says: "Frame Number Full" and that is it for shooting that night.
Solution is to set the camera to start counting afresh with every card change which prduces a lot of redundent file names. ... I hate this ... and then pop in an externally formatted new card.
I did not have spare cards with me in the pub so I could not take any photos that night.
Formatting the card in the camera does not help because the counter refuses to reset on the same card.
Just google fuji frame number full bug and you will see
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Expexted behaviour: the camera should just create a new folder on the card and start counting at 0000 0001 0002 instead of locking down at 9999
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Maybe the issue is unique to the X100 series, because my XE-1(which may, or may not, have similar firmware) is way past fifty thousand shots and I never changed the file numbering/folders settings until recently, for an unrelated reason.
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The X-T1 is affected as well as several others too: http://www.fujix-forum.com/threads/warning-x-t1-locked-up-by-frame-number-full-error-bug.24400/
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I have never hit the frame number full problem on the X-T1. Page 123 of the handbook says the shutter will lock after 999_9999, and that the solution is to format the memory card, set Frame No to Renew, take a photo to reset it to 100_0001, and then change Frame No back to Continuous. So although it is irritating, especially if you have photos on the card you cannot backup and which you do not want to delete by formatting, the solution is simple and seems to be easier than on the X100T.
As an experiment, I have just carried out that procedure on my X-T1, and the frame count was indeed reset to 100_0001.
Page 332 of the X-T2 handbook contains similar instructions.
To prevent this problem arising, once the folder number gets near 999, it would be a good idea to carry out the reset as described above at a convenient time rather than wait until the shutter locks up.
I have some way to go before I reach this issue.
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The problem with the X-T1 and 2 can be solved by formatting in camera.
I have never hit the frame number full problem on the X-T1. Page 123 of the handbook says the shutter will lock after 999_9999, and that the solution is to format the memory card, set Frame No to Renew, take a photo to reset it to 100_0001, and then change Frame No back to Continuous. So although it is irritating, especially if you have photos on the card you cannot backup and which you do not want to delete by formatting, the solution is simple and seems to be easier than on the X100T.
As an experiment, I have just carried out that procedure on my X-T1, and the frame count was indeed reset to 100_0001.
Page 332 of the X-T2 handbook contains similar instructions.
To prevent this problem arising, once the folder number gets near 999, it would be a good idea to carry out the reset as described above at a convenient time rather than wait until the shutter locks up.
I have some way to go before I reach this issue.
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Virtually any mirrorless camera, or small-sized DSLR, would benefit from having more weight. The heft makes handling more secure and comfortable.
If a grip is required to get a better weight distribution, so be it. Human digits are not possible to downsize anyway. Thus too small a camera makes handling it awkward.
I've added 121 grams to my Fuji X-E1 by mounting a Sunwayfoto combined L-bracket and grip. For me this gives better ergonomics and stability when using larger/heavier lenses. The Arca-type compatible L-bracket is really nice and it allows me to access battery and SD-card (Fuji has placed the tripod mount a bit silly). It is still a fairly compact camera - even with a L-bracket. It hasn't been off since I bought it.
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Dear Anthony.
How should I ever have reached 999-9999?
My total count is now at 17400.
My camera locked down at 100-9999 and I do not even know how I should have reached that number twice given the total count.
Being required to delete shots for counter reset is a design flaw IMO and should be changed.
If it was true, lockdown at 999-9999, in practice this would never occur.
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This reset procedure is ridiculous. The camera should roll over the frame number automatically when necessary. This is clearly a design flaw and logical error on the part of Fuji.
Dave
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This reset procedure is ridiculous. The camera should roll over the frame number automatically when necessary. This is clearly a design flaw and logical error on the part of Fuji. Dave
And that is why I want to know if the flaw still persists in the firmware of the newest incarnation. If not I see hope that the next FW-Update will get rid of that.
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I have not met this issue with the X-T1, hope you will find a solution, Frank.
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I have not met this issue with the X-T1, hope you will find a solution, Frank.
The solution will be that Fuji issues a firmware update for all affected products.
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Frank, you clearly have suffered a bug. I have seen comments that for some cameras at least this has been fixed by a firmware update, but I cannot verify this.
The other issue is why the frame counter does not roll over after 999_9999. The current system is weird.
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What else could this be if it's not something recorded in the protected security partition of the SD card?
Dave
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Yesterday on a whim I bought a Fuji X-T2 :)
(I had planned to do it when prices have calmed down a little, but with the pound sliding down a few % every day this is not likely to happen soon. So I found a bargain and grabbed it.)
It has been delivered this morning so this far I have very little experience with it; I have been setting it up and I might go out later to take some shots.
The camera is and feels a bit heavier, I think most of the additional weight is due to the big heat sink behind the sensor, which has been added mainly for the purpose of 4K video.
For the most part the camera feels very similar to the X-T1, one difference, apart from the obvious additions that have already been discussed much, is that I can finally operate as I did with Nikon cameras, with the shutter button only for taking pictures, and the AF-ON button for focusing. Unless I missed something, this was not possible with the X-T1.
I have not yet found anything that I like less in the X-T2 than in the X-T1.
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Congrats with your purchase!
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Congratulations, Simone, I am sure you will not be disappointed. IMHO the XT2 is better than the XT1 in every respect apart from the slight weight increase.
You are right, back button focusing in the Nikon way is now possible, and was not on the XT1. However, I have assigned focussing to the AEL button and moved the AEL function to the AFL button, as the AEL button is more comfortable for me. I have also put some Sugru on each of these buttons, which has greatly helped me. Fuji still makes some buttons too small and flush with the body.
The XT2 is much more responsive, and action photography is now easy, as viewfinder blackout is minimal and the AF is very fast and accurate.
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I have to agree with Anthony except the back button business, but I'm sure you will not be disappointed. Well done for getting a bargain price!
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Congratulations, Simone, I am sure you will not be disappointed. IMHO the XT2 is better than the XT1 in every respect apart from the slight weight increase.
You are right, back button focusing in the Nikon way is now possible, and was not on the XT1. However, I have assigned focussing to the AEL button and moved the AEL function to the AFL button, as the AEL button is more comfortable for me. I have also put some Sugru on each of these buttons, which has greatly helped me. Fuji still makes some buttons too small and flush with the body.
The XT2 is much more responsive, and action photography is now easy, as viewfinder blackout is minimal and the AF is very fast and accurate.
I agree on what you say.
Having spent the afternoon using AF-ON "Nikon style" I find it is not very easy to reach with the thumb, so I will try to do as you suggest.
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It is surprising that Fuji hs got this wrong, when they have been so responsive to customers on other issues.
It was a Fuji rep who advised swapping the button functions. Sugru was something I used on the XT1 D-Pad. It is clever stuff.
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What are your opinions about the improvements in image quality compared to the predecessor X-T1?
I'm fairly happy with the image quality from my X-E1 (1st generation 16mp X-Trans) and I'm considering a used X-T1 due to the VF and weather sealing.
The 8 megapixel extra of the X-T2 is nice but I'm not sure it makes a major difference to my kind of shooting (and occasional A3 printing). However, other factors like improved color etc. might be worth it.
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Lars, I think the image quality is better, but I have not done a proper scientific companion, so this may just be confirmation bias. But I think not.
But the main reason I bought the X-T2 was for the performance improvements, rather than the image quality. The responsiveness and speed of handling are significantly better. I still have the X-T2 as a backup and, on my recent safari, as a second camera (with mid range zoom), so have had many opportunities to appreciate the superiority of the X-T2.
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Lars, I think the image quality is better, but I have not done a proper scientific companion, so this may just be confirmation bias. But I think not.
But the main reason I bought the X-T2 was for the performance improvements, rather than the image quality. The responsiveness and speed of handling are significantly better. I still have the X-T2 as a backup and, on my recent safari, as a second camera (with mid range zoom), so have had many opportunities to appreciate the superiority of the X-T2.
Thank you very much Anthony. I'm aware that the X-T2 is a leap forward in important aspects when shooting e.g. wildlife as you do - I'm more into static subjects like landscape shooting and for that the X-T1 would work fine (most landscapers would probably want the extra 8 megapixel resolution but to me the price is too high). As said, especially the VF, articulating screen and weather sealing would at least be a leap forward for me.
I must say the colors in your shot of the Lilac Breasted Roller is great - shot with the X-T2? :)
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Lars, I am fairly sure that if you are satisfied with your X-E1, you will be delighted with the X-T1. I was not disappointed, coming from the excellent D700.
It is a wonderful tool for someone willing to take the time, it doesn't come in your way. But it may not satisfy someone more into action.
I think it marries very well with MF lenses.
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Lars, the roller was shot with the X-T2 and the 100-400.
If the responsiveness issues are not so important, then I think you will be very happy with the X-T1. I have really enjoyed shooting with it and its image quality for the last 2.5 years, and I am not in a hurry to trade it in.
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Thank you very much Olivier and Anthony
Lars, I am fairly sure that if you are satisfied with your X-E1, you will be delighted with the X-T1. I was not disappointed, coming from the excellent D700.
It is a wonderful tool for someone willing to take the time, it doesn't come in your way. But it may not satisfy someone more into action.
I think it marries very well with MF lenses.
Olivier, it has been interesting to follow your move from the D700 to the Fuji X-T1. I've (especially) enjoyed your series of excellent portraits and the X-T1 is undoubtedly a great camera in your hands. I've learned patience with the X-E1 and I trust the X-T1 would be a great tool for me as well. Your point about MF lenses is definitely also positive.
Lars, the roller was shot with the X-T2 and the 100-400.
If the responsiveness issues are not so important, then I think you will be very happy with the X-T1. I have really enjoyed shooting with it and its image quality for the last 2.5 years, and I am not in a hurry to trade it in.
Anthony, compared to my X-E1 I actually think I'll be experiencing a nice leap towards better responsiveness in terms of better AF, less EVF lag etc. If it also provides a slightly better image quality compared to the X-E1 I won't complain. The fact you are not in a hurry to trade it in after 2.5 years I take as a recommendation.
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Don't forget that Fuji delivered a number of firmware enhancements for the X-T1 over its life, which really transformed the camera (in a most positive way). You need to ensure that the latest firmware is loaded into your X-T1 to get the best out of it.
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Lars, I agree with Hugh about the firmware updates. They made a big difference. They can still be downloaded from Fuji.
I am not in a position to compare image quality with the X-E1. But here is a landscape photo which I made with the X-T1 in Tanzania recently, which I hope you like.
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Don't forget that Fuji delivered a number of firmware enhancements for the X-T1 over its life, which really transformed the camera (in a most positive way). You need to ensure that the latest firmware is loaded into your X-T1 to get the best out of it.
Lars, I agree with Hugh about the firmware updates. They made a big difference. They can still be downloaded from Fuji.
I am not in a position to compare image quality with the X-E1. But here is a landscape photo which I made with the X-T1 in Tanzania recently, which I hope you like.
Thanks Hugh and Anthony,
About firmware updates - absolutely. My X-E1 has been updated regularly and some updates was significant - e.g. focus peaking which came a while later after I bought the camera .. that was a really nice update.
Anthony - I really like the sensation of late (or early..) sunlight in your landscape from Tanzania and the colors as well, thanks for posting this example. It could well be that X-T1 is an improvement for landscapes due to better overall color. I think the general view is that second generation X-Trans is an improvement over first generation. No rules without exceptions - I was once told that there are those who holds on to their first generation Fuji's due to better skin tones. Not a concern for me..
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Should I? ;D
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Yes, you know it makes sense. 8)
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I have to admit that the direction my need/desire/preference is heading is smaller, sexier, convenienterererer and still good quality. I haven't used my FX cameras in a long while. The D500 is a blast but still collects more dust than pictures now.
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I have to admit that the direction my need/desire/preference is heading is smaller, sexier, convenienterererer and still good quality. I haven't used my FX cameras in a long tile. The D500 is a blast but still collects more dust than pictures now.
Sten, I was first introduced to the X-T1 by our friend Anthony, but at the time I was wedded to my D810 and a small library of lenses. Yet I found that the combo of D810 and the 24-120 f4 lens was getting to feel very heavy, and I began not to take the Nikon gear out because of the weight. So after much soul searching and deciding that Nikon was not taking a path that I could agree with regarding weight and cost, I plumped for an X-T1 and a few lenses, and I loved it. Along comes the X-T2 and off went my order to WEX, and your post above was exactly how I felt, so far I have not been disappointed as the Fujinon optics are I find superior to my Nikon lenses certainly in the area of construction. The IQ I find I now prefer over my Nikon gear!, and of course it doesn't weigh as much!
I'm sure you won't be disappointed!
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I am no stranger to the X-system. I currently have a X-A1, X-T10 and a 35/1.4 and before that I had a couple of X-T1s the 10-24, 18-55, 27 and 56. I know what those lenses are capable of and actually miss them. But as you say Mike the reduced bulk/weight is a big driver.
So I am now in the process of assembling my Nikon gear with the purpose of getting rid of it and also what lenses I want to get in my bag.
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Hello X-T2 tribe...
I am testing an X-T2 and leaning towards "yes!".
In addition to some primes, I am looking for a walk around zoom when I want a one-lens day. What do people think of the 18-135? Also considering 18-55 and 16-55 but they are a little short.
Thanks for any Fuji lens thoughts!
Rob.
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Rob, although the 18-135 is a cracking lens it is quite heavy, but not outrageously so! I have no experience of the 16-55, but I'm led to believe lol though a brilliant sharp lens, heavy. That leaves their baby brother the 18-55, which is another cracker with a variable Aperture, but nonetheless it has a very well deserved reputation!
Starting from scratch I would be very tempted by the 16-55 because it has a constant F2.8 throughout its range, it weighs about 850 grams! Reputed to equal in image quality to prime lenses. But it doesn't have the very good Fuji OIS whereas the other two do.
Until I got GAS itch for some primes, the 18-135 + 10-24 was my walkabout kit.
My lens list is 16, 23, 56, 60M, 10-24, 18-55, 18-135, 50-140 both TCs and a Samyang 300mm mirror lens, I don't contemplate lugging them all around at the same time, Sten I hope that helps.
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Rob,
I don't have experiences with the 18-135 and cannot comment.
I have two lenses I almost always carry. The 18-55 which I consider a great lens, compact and the OIS works really well - without the OIS I would have missed many shooting opportunities. You have probably noticed that the 18-55 is usually the (reasonable) cheap "kit lens". I have the 55-200 to complement the 18-55 and again the OIS have given me many shooting opportunities I would else have missed. Optically the 55-200 is also quite nice - especially at the shorter end.
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Hello X-T2 tribe...
I am testing an X-T2 and leaning towards "yes!".
In addition to some primes, I am looking for a walk around zoom when I want a one-lens day. What do people think of the 18-135? Also considering 18-55 and 16-55 but they are a little short.
Thanks for any Fuji lens thoughts!
Rob.
Fuji lenses are of excellent quality. Every Fuji lens I have is at least as good as its Nikon equivalent, and often better.
Whether the 18-135 or the 18-55 is the right choice for you depends on what you shoot. I have heard that the 18-135 is not as good as some other Fuji lenses, but as I do not have it I cannot comment. If you need that focal length range then it is the lens to go for.
I can say that the 18-55 gives me better results than the Nikon 24-70 (original model), but of course it is not a constant f2.8. As a walk around lens I find the 18-55 to be outstanding. Having said that, the lens which is most often on my X-T2 is the 16 mm.
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My main argument against the 18-135 is its bulk. Other than that it is a very useable lens. Despite being as good as the 18-55 is it was not among the ones on my list either. The reason is simply that I am a prime lens type. When testing lenses before I made my decision I fell in love with the 16/1.4. It has a beautiful rendering and I am really eager to start using it. My main triplet will be the 16, 23 or 35 and the 90. The 90 is quite bulky but that is easily forgottwn when it lets the light pass through it...what a fantastic piece of optics!
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My main argument against the 18-135 is its bulk. Other than that it is a very useable lens. Despite being as good as the 18-55 is it was not among the ones on my list either. The reason is simply that I am a prime lens type. When testing lenses before I made my decision I fell in love with the 16/1.4. It has a beautiful rendering and I am really eager to start using it. My main triplet will be the 16, 23 or 35 and the 90. The 90 is quite bulky but that is easily forgottwn when it lets the light pass through it...what a fantastic piece of optics!
16, 23, 35 and 90, the magic triplet that works as four lenses! ;)
Jokes aside, I do have the 18-135 and use it a lot.
As you can imagine it is for the convenience factor, this does really matter when I am hiking in the mountains in inclement weather. Basically it means that I have a weather sealed camera and lens that covers most of what I need and does not require switching, which in those conditions could be a problem; also faster, I can grab shots while on the move.
In other settings other lenses probably serve better.
In terms of image quality maybe the lens is slightly inferior to others, but nothing that jumps out in landscape work at smaller apertures. I have made very good 16"x24" uncropped prints with it.
Yes it is a bit bulky, but nothing the rather monstrous 16-55/2.8. Of all X lenses that is the one I would not buy.
I also have the 18-55, an excellent mid-range zoom, and my only small complaint about it is that I would like to go wider, say to 16mm.
That said, if something like a 16-80/4 WR ever comes out, it is unlikely that I buy it, given what I already own. More likely a 16mm prime (f/1.4 or f/2 if it comes out).
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This site is a good resource for reviews of Fuji X fit lenses!
http://www.fuji-x-forum.com/topic/998-complete-overview-over-the-available-and-upcoming-fuji-x-mount-lenses/
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Hello X-T2 tribe...
I am testing an X-T2 and leaning towards "yes!".
In addition to some primes, I am looking for a walk around zoom when I want a one-lens day. What do people think of the 18-135? Also considering 18-55 and 16-55 but they are a little short.
Thanks for any Fuji lens thoughts!
Rob.
Thanks all for the advice and comment... for now, I am not pulling the trigger on the X-T2, I'm staying in the Sony camp for DX and Nikon for FX.... I was sorely tempted though!!!!
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Well, I saw someone provided a shortened link for purchasing the camera as his first post. I was suspicious. Has the moderator removed?
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Yes, that was treated rightfully, as a scam.
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Yes, that was treated rightfully, as a scam.
Great!