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Images => Nature, Flora, Fauna & Landscapes => Topic started by: Jørgen Ramskov on July 09, 2016, 23:39:20

Title: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on July 09, 2016, 23:39:20: Mods: I expect to continue to post new shots in this thread. Not sure if this is the right place to put this thread, feel free to move it.

As mentioned in another thread, I got a D40x converted to IR (590nm) which means a completely new world opens op for me. I haven't had time to shoot anything but what is around in our very small garden so far. I have googled a bit, which produced https://photographylife.com/how-to-process-infrared-photographs and I looked a bit at Lifepixel.com. I have more or less for the first time ever, actually tried to use Photoshop. It required a bit of googling to find the channel mixer :P It's been fun and interesting to spend a few hours today fooling around with wierd colors :)

Any help/hints/suggestions/links/critique are more than welcome!

I'd like to excuse in advance for the lack of quality, but this is where I'm at currently. Here's what I've ended up with today:

#1 A rose. I consider this to be a failure, but that's part of the process.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7480/27920700000_bdd345fe32_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JxfTnj)
2016-07-09 IR - blomster og planter i haven 001-Edit (https://flic.kr/p/JxfTnj) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#2 Berries. I find this a lot more interesting.
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/8/7683/28201312735_a75009bae3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JY46KV)
2016-07-09 IR - blomster og planter i haven 010-Edit (https://flic.kr/p/JY46KV) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#3 I had trouble deciding between this and #4.
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8773/28201311095_c601d24779_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JY46gD)
2016-07-09 IR - blomster og planter i haven 011 (https://flic.kr/p/JY46gD) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#4 Chives. This is my personal favorite so far.
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8736/28201312455_2303c17056_b.jpg)
(https://flic.kr/p/JY46F6)2016-07-09 IR - blomster og planter i haven 011-Edit (https://flic.kr/p/JY46F6) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#5 A cute litte flower, but boring, could easily be my lacking PP skills.
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8705/28201310515_9d32804e2e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JY466D)
2016-07-09 IR - blomster og planter i haven 024-Edit (https://flic.kr/p/JY466D) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

Going to bring it with me on a trip to Norway next week, hopefully I'll have some time to go shoot :)
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on August 02, 2016, 22:09:35: After three weeks vacation I'm back at work. Haven't spent much time on IR photgraphy, but the camera has been with me and I have used it a bit here and there. The "scary" thing for me is the PP given my quite limited qualifications there.

Here's a few shots from Norway from a few weeks ago:
#1
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7470/28622224822_3e7520d41c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KBfofS)
2016-07-13 IR - Norge 002-Edit-Edit-2 (https://flic.kr/p/KBfofS) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#2
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8130/28622224012_c0720853d6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KBfo1U)
2016-07-15 IR - Norge 024-Edit-Edit-2 (https://flic.kr/p/KBfo1U) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#3
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8881/28622223232_7a48f04cd4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KBfnMs)
2016-07-17 IR - Norge 044 (https://flic.kr/p/KBfnMs) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#4
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8611/28112293863_725ef275eb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JQbRxM)
2016-07-18 IR - Norge 069-Edit (https://flic.kr/p/JQbRxM) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jakov Minić on August 02, 2016, 22:22:18: Jørgen, I really like them. The PP looks good and your composition too ;)
You are a natural IR talented photographer :)
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: golunvolo on August 03, 2016, 01:04:10: Jørgen,
I have been planing in taking the IR route for some time now but haven´t start it yet. Will follow your post here with great interest.

I find your 1st "failure" rose fantastic.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on August 03, 2016, 19:45:23: Thanks for you comments friends, you're way too kind ;)

More images to come soon.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on August 03, 2016, 21:31:53: One more from wonderful Norway.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8682/28716371696_0374840ec4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KKyUQQ)
2016-07-18 IR - Norge 056-Edit (https://flic.kr/p/KKyUQQ) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on August 03, 2016, 21:34:16: Norway is indeed wonderful. Not equally sure about the channel-swapping approach, through. There are better ways to process an IR image.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on August 03, 2016, 22:10:21: I would love to hear your suggestions for post processing!
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on August 12, 2016, 22:54:29: A flower.
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8581/28908071466_f00416cae4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L3vqvh)
2016-07-27 IR - Sommerhus i Dageløkke 011 (https://flic.kr/p/L3vqvh) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on August 12, 2016, 22:56:55: Landscape, southern Fyn, Denmark.
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8109/28863688711_16e0be42a7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KYzX4n)
2016-07-27 IR - Sommerhus i Dageløkke 002-Edit (https://flic.kr/p/KYzX4n) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on August 13, 2016, 10:47:58: A couple more.

#1
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8185/28872790801_86f5b6a066_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KZoAMX)
2016-07-29 IR - Sommerhus i Dageløkke 022-Edit (https://flic.kr/p/KZoAMX) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#2
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8832/28332981603_1629bb8d36_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KaFWjP)
2016-07-27 IR - Sommerhus i Dageløkke 008-Edit (https://flic.kr/p/KaFWjP) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Akira on August 13, 2016, 12:16:58: Love #4 in reply #1. Pleasing color. Glad to know you are enjoying the new toy!
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: BW on August 14, 2016, 10:37:26: Its nice to see that you are having fun Jørgen. Its always satisfying to use a camera that give you the creative choice on how to present the image :)
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Frank Fremerey on August 14, 2016, 21:33:35: lots of nice work, keep them coming!!!
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: golunvolo on August 14, 2016, 23:47:40: I want one :)
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on August 15, 2016, 19:50:36: Thanks Frank.

Golunvolo: Go for it!
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on September 14, 2016, 22:09:06: The weather here in Denmark is currently very nice. Here's a shot taken last weekend.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8706/29571922472_e552f0a92e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/M4aQhh)
2016-09-10 IR - Ishøj havn 017 (https://flic.kr/p/M4aQhh) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Olivier on September 14, 2016, 22:24:13: The sky looks like a fake backgroud! It is actually very nice...
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: golunvolo on September 15, 2016, 00:32:35: Yes, very nice!
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jakov Minić on September 15, 2016, 01:00:26: Jørgen, what a lovely image! CPH and the industry sights are simply meant for IR!
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Erik Lund on September 15, 2016, 11:45:28: Very clear and crisp!

Yes wonderful weather here currently ;)
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on September 16, 2016, 20:53:10: Thanks for all the nice comments. I had never been there before, just went there with family for dinner and when I saw that view, I walked back to car to fetch the IR camera to take the photo above :)

Olivier: perhaps I should make a green version :D The only thing I've done is remove a few birds that looked more like dust spots.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Olivier on September 16, 2016, 21:45:06: Yes, with IR, everything is allowed!
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on September 16, 2016, 23:05:45: I shouldn't have said that! :D To create that, Photoshop is needed and I have no clue about how to do it :) I guess I might have to Google a bit...
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: BW on September 16, 2016, 23:13:41: Quote from: Jørgen Ramskov on September 16, 2016, 23:05:45
I shouldn't have said that! :D To create that, Photoshop is needed and I have no clue about how to do it :) I guess I might have to Google a bit...
Nice one Jørgen! You have to do some extensive googling to master Photoshop, but how does one eat an elephant? One bite at a time ;)
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on September 17, 2016, 00:05:20: Quote from: Jørgen Ramskov on September 16, 2016, 20:53:10
... perhaps I should make a green version :D The only thing I've done is remove a few birds that looked more like dust spots.

Green version coming up. Less than 1 minute fix in PS, with a little extras throw into for good measure.

You *did* say you wished to make a green version :D

IR simply removes the rules, implied or explicit.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Hugh_3170 on September 17, 2016, 06:31:54: I like them both, but green it is for me - the removal of rules has certainly worked well in this instance.

Maybe I might remove a little of the fore ground to create a panoramic look, but that is just me. Its nice with either format.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on September 18, 2016, 10:50:26: Thanks for creating that Bjørn. I was thinking about Olivers comment about the sky looking fake and make a sort of "green room" version with the sky and only the sky being very green, but my photoshop skills are at level 0.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on September 18, 2016, 11:17:46: Initially I made only sky green, but felt the scene looked worse that way. Thus went all in with enhanced greens everywhere, enforcing water ripples (very easy as the original had the ingredients present) etc. The red vegetation acts as a counterpoint to anchor the composition.

About trimming the foreground to make a panorama-lime frame, I decided against removing parts of it as it apparently is required to give breathing depth to the overall scene. Cut away and the scene becomes lifeless and flat, no depth at all.

By the way, learning to use a program such as Photoshop or equivalent (Gimp is freeware and quite capable; surely more alternatives exist) is well worth the time and efforts invested.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on September 25, 2016, 09:05:43: Here's another one, going in a completely different direction:
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8062/29876393686_7a4f3e0628_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mw5jXY)
2016-08-06 IR - Egå engsø 004-Edit (https://flic.kr/p/Mw5jXY) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Erik Lund on September 25, 2016, 16:25:03: Some very nice and delicate tones Jørgen, very moody ;)
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on September 25, 2016, 19:40:41: Thanks Erik, it fun and sometimes frustrating to fool around with. Can be difficult to find the colors that works with a specific image, but I like this result.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on September 30, 2016, 20:39:08: A couple more from Egå Engsø, taken on the same trip as the last one above.

#1
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5077/29944685351_2699a965d3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MC7kGt)
2016-08-06 IR - Egå engsø 010 (https://flic.kr/p/MC7kGt) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#2
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5317/29400386774_a0eeeb7d00_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LN1EGf)2016-08-06 IR - Egå engsø 013 (https://flic.kr/p/LN1EGf) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#3
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8267/29944685861_514dec4044_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MC7kRg)
2016-08-06 IR - Egå engsø 015 (https://flic.kr/p/MC7kRg) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Erik Lund on September 30, 2016, 23:33:45: First one stands out with the reds - Warm,,, ;)

I feel a NikonGear IR workshop should be in the near future!
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on October 01, 2016, 06:40:48: #1 is my favorite too.

A NG IR workshop would certainly be interesting :)
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: golunvolo on October 01, 2016, 13:05:46: You are triggering a serious "I wanna try" sindrome :)
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on March 03, 2017, 20:47:45: Have been sort of away from NG for a bit - haven't used my IR camera or my D750 much, but I got a chance to borrow a Nikon 105mm f/1.4 (what a lens!) and why not try it out on the modified D40x camera? I can't change aperture so all is shot at f/1.4, but that's what this lens is for isn't it? ;)

#1
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3699/33074349942_1acdc91ec5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SoEFWN)
2017-03-03 IR - Nikon 105mm f1.4 test 009 (https://flic.kr/p/SoEFWN) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#2
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/671/33074350712_9c68416ca0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SoEGb5)
2017-03-03 IR - Nikon 105mm f1.4 test 007 (https://flic.kr/p/SoEGb5) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr

#3
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2815/32415827803_6c4d98a12f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RotAfP)
2017-03-03 IR - Nikon 105mm f1.4 test 002 (https://flic.kr/p/RotAfP) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 03, 2017, 20:57:06: The D40x cannot set the aperture on any 'E' lens. However, you can set the aperture with say your D750, press the stop-down button, and while keeping it depressed, remove the lens and put it on your D40x. Simply once you have tried it. This trick even works when the 'E' lens subsequently is mounted on an ancient F or F2 :D

The only caveat is the new host will display '1.4' instead of the aperture you set earlier. No wonder as the non-compatible camera doesn't know how to control the aperture in the first place. But the lens remains set to whatever value you selected initially.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on March 03, 2017, 21:10:13: Thanks for the explanation and "cheat", I'll try that this weekend :)

As for the IR images, I'd like to add that I still find the PP to be a "curious" experience understood as it being fun to explore what you can end up with, editing an image. You often end in a completely different place than what you imagined.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Øivind Tøien on March 03, 2017, 22:27:24: Thanks for this interesting information. I would have thought that the lens would reset, once powering down, so this is quite a surprise.
I just tried it on the 300PF. So aperture mechanism apparently has a motor that drives it in both directions, and not one that works against a spring load. It is probably wise to turn VR off before applying this technique to a VR lens.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 03, 2017, 22:32:52: The 'E' lens has no mechanical means of controlling the aperture. Thus as far as the non-compatible camera is concerned, the lens hasn't an aperture at all :D Meaning also that the metering works, but in effect with stop-down metering.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Øivind Tøien on March 03, 2017, 22:41:45: Thanks, that is another good point to keep in mind.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 03, 2017, 22:55:29: Nikon has taken many steps to prevent users from doing true stop-down metering, but these measures are null and void when it comes to 'E' lenses on non-compatible cameras.

The camera only "sees" a reduced incoming light intensity and has no knowledge at what aperture this occurs. Since the camera cannot change the set aperture this is a matter of no concern.Light metering will function normally.

One might say Nikon has tricked themselves in this manner.

This insider's tip work with all 'E' lenses I have tested so far.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: BW on March 04, 2017, 00:16:52: I have tried the 105 Nikkor-P f2,5 on my D40x the last few days and it seem like a decent performer. Little focus shift and very sharp IMO. I have used the B+W IR830 filter and the lens wide open. Like it a lot.
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Fons Baerken on March 04, 2017, 09:28:00: (https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/751/32313306692_4a03d036c4_o.jpg)

basically a channel swap, D5300 24-70mm/2.8
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Fons Baerken on March 04, 2017, 09:33:22: (https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/631/32464804525_493c6a270b_o.jpg)

one more from the same walkabout
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on March 24, 2017, 21:58:49: Forgot to reply. Thanks for the posts.

BW: Really like that tree shot.

Fons: Fun shot with the pony.

Edit: Forgot to post the shot from yesterday which is actually why I ended up here - I'll blame the 13% imperial stout ;)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2808/33472699382_636a760b66_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SZSkmA)
2017-03-23 IR - Aarhus Rådhuspark 015 (https://flic.kr/p/SZSkmA) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Erik Lund on March 27, 2017, 15:51:40: That is a very graphical image, well done!
Title: Re: Starting in IR photography
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on March 27, 2017, 18:46:48: Thanks Erik, perhaps the editing IR photos while drinking beers is a good combination? :D