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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: Airy on June 09, 2016, 20:49:26
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Mine is getting loose after 2 years of admittedly intensive use, to the extent that it fell off twice when picking the camera (after some warming and massaging, it would stick again, to a limited extent).
At the camera shop, they said the cause was the solvent-free glue allowed in Europe; Df sold in Japan do not exhibit that nasty behavior. I am a bit surprized by the explanation, since the Dfs are anyway assembled outside Europe, right?
Moreover they said that I could return the camera to get it serviced. But I do not want to part for two weeks from the camera that accompanied every single step I made since May 2014. Call that a fetish if you like, but in fact I think it is a bit ridiculous, there must be a simpler way. Maple syrup? too sweet. Neoprene glue? is probably going to dissolve the rubber. Give up the rubber and glue some gaffer tape instead? inelegant. Put double-sided adhesive tape to re-glue the rubber? but I do not know the best way to first get rid of the present glue.
Shto dyelat, as Lenin put it...
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I wonder if thin carpet tape will work. Its super strong adhesive nature ought to work well.
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Ok, I'll try it. And what about removing the present glue?
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I am bound to encounter the same problem. So I am curious too about the solution ;)
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I think the best solution is to use the nail and scrape it off manually. It doesent harm the the rubber or the camera chassi. I used Aquaseal to glue it on again on my D3s. My Df is also starting to loose the rubber but I have used gorilla tape to create a some grip. I guess the kind of tape they use on hockeysticks will give better friction. I never worry about appereance, just function.
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If the problem should surface on my Df, it'll be the responsibility of the local Nikon repair facility to fix it. Just chat with my contact(s) to ensure they can do the job quickly while I wait.
There are, as yet, no signs of loosening covers on my camera.
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There is no such thing as a local Nikon repair facility in Lille. There are only 1.5 million inhabitants here in the far North (of France, that is to say), so why bother.
Not even sensor cleaning is possible without giving up the camera. French service.
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Guess I'm lucky then, even through there are no more than 1.5 Million people in my region of Norway ...
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I think I've seen a hands-on sample of Df with deteriorated grip in a large retailer here in Tokyo. Of course, such a sample is rather abused, but I'm not sure if the adhesive is the culprit. I've also heard that recent models uses special double-sided tapes instead of the adhesive to attach the rubber grip. Sten's advice seems to work. You could remove the residual adhesive using sticky tapes, which is my usual procedure whenever I want to remove the sticky adhesive of the removed tape.
I'm concerned if the rubber grip itself is somewhat deformed like the one on the hands-on sample I saw, which would make the matter a bit complicated. In the past, there were problem of the grips ripped of from the higher-end models like D2. I've seen many hands-on samples with loose grips on the retailers, and they are in general deformed and a bit stretched.
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My Df rubber has been stretched and peeling almost since I got it. I had same issue with D200 after its IR surgery
I have replaced them with 'OEM' rubber grips from China and USA (search for Df rubber on eBay)
YMMV
JJ
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JJ, not being a 'purist' , and initially worried about the size of the grip on the Df, my half case arrived before the Df. The fact that most of my shooting is done in a hot, humid climate is another factor. I gave up on using Lens Coats on the 500 vr since they only last 6 months before losing their shape , grip. The elasticity goes :( . No sign of any problem with the Df's rubber grip.
ps I am really enjoying the Summarit M 75 f2.5 but still have not used it head to head with the Voigt 75 f2.5 LMT so keeping both ;) . I did get a very good deal on the Summarit from a Dealer in Auckland N.Z. ( probably known to Roland) and Customs and Excise treated me well :)
Tom
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Used some superglue from the hardware store to stick it back on
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I bought a new one for 14€ directly from a NSP. ;)
Harald
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ps I am really enjoying the Summarit M 75 f2.5 but still have not used it head to head with the Voigt 75 f2.5 LMT so keeping both ;) . I did get a very good deal on the Summarit from a Dealer in Auckland N.Z. ( probably known to Roland) and Customs and Excise treated me well :)
Tom
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That's great! The M Summarit 75 were selling for Singapore $950 as a close out at Cathay Photo! They also had 35mm Summarit for same price. I thought long and hard and when I got back to the store 3 days later they were all sold out! It goes to show that if there is a good deal, one should grab first and regret later...
JJ
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If you use superglue, be very careful to apply only enough.
This stuff tends to flow well and get into all sorts of places where you didn't want it.
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Used some superglue from the hardware store to stick it back on
The rubber piece were the thumb rest in my d700 had the same problem. Two drops of superglue spread near the fringe top and bottom did the trick.
D700+grip+big battery is heavy, plus I also shoit mostly in hot humid environments. Df should be fine
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best is to mail Nikon and ask them to mail you the rubber part. :o :o :o
double sided tape can work but these things usually expand so it kinda looks sloppy after you taped it back. if its a flat part, look for tolex
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Not sure how related this is, but I use a contact adhesive to glue leatherette back on my Nikon F and F2's. I think my D3 rubber grip would also benefit from that as it is also becoming loose.
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Not sure how related this is, but I use a contact adhesive to glue leatherette back on my Nikon F and F2's. I think my D3 rubber grip would also benefit from that as it is also becoming loose.
Did the same on my D800, the glue is intended to fix shoes, a contact adhesive as well
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are you guys talking about rubber cement? :o :o :o
be sure to use it properly. and no, i do not mean sniffing it as a past time.
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"Rubber cement" is a form of contact cement. The real super-strength stuff (with super aromatic sweet deadly fumes to match) is the stuff used in shoe repair. The brand to get in the USA is called 'Barge Cement'. Many hardware stores and outdoor shops carry it in small tubes.
It is placed thinly and evenly on both surfaces, allowed to [apparently]dry, then the two surfaces are mated. God help you if you put the two surfaces together wrong, because it doesn't want to let go. Heat is the enemy of Barge Cement...application of heat from a heat gun or hair dryer may loosen it enough to pull apart. The operative word here is 'may.'
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Yes! That is the thing! It can give you a cheap high :o :o :o
Its called rubber cement where I came from, it is used as an umbrella term for all things similar.
I cannot use it here because I have a baby. Japaneses style houses do not have real walls so fumes circulate.
Nikon uses that till the ais era.
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I just gave my DF for the second time, for a grip exchange. This time it just took one hour at the local Parisian nikon Pro shop, Boulevard Beaumarchais. They just didn't have the little round part for the front wheel that is now on command.
Like Airy, most people living in the cities then Paris have to send their cameras to the Nikon repair shop in the suburbs of Paris, while using this NPS shop in Paris allows for a shorter time, as they have twice a day a delivery from one to the other.
For my D3x, I had a weird incident ( an AF lens short circuiting the camera), they opened the camera three times in a week, meaning three deliveries from the shop to the repair facility and back. All that on warranty happily...
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In lack of anything better, I am trying to re-glue using neoprene contact glue (Pattex) with low solvent content (gel form) to avoid damaging the rubber. Of course I scraped the former glue off the camera body and grip. Problem is, the former glue did not adhere at all to the rubber, while it took some time to scrape it off the camera body. The new glue has exactly the same problem: it does not seem to stick to the rubber; they behave like oil and water. Not sure I'll get anything usable once dry (polymerized)...
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Have you tried PLIOBOND the adhesive that was used on Nikons up to the F3, FM2n, FE2 and probably the FM3a?
Dave
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... given what's available in the remote part of the planet where I live, I finally bought Loctite superglue-3, special plastic bonding edition (comes in two components: activator and glue).
I first scraped the neoprene "skin" from my former glueing attempt; fortunately id did not adhere at all to the rubber, so that part was easily cleaned.
Then I had to cut the rubber back by about 1mm on two edges, just to get a nice fit (hey, that's my forst weekend without work assignments, I got plenty of time).
The superglue seems to work well, and above all did not destroy the rubber. Let us see if it withstands a few shooting sessions but so far, so good. Monday-Wednesday in Istanbul for work, but I'll sure get opportunities. Zeiss 25/2, 50/2 (Milvus) and Nikkor 105/2.5, plus the Voigtländer 40/2 for crowded places (yes, size IS sometimes an issue).
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Airy - travel well and safely to Turkey.
Also would be keen to know how the repaired grip goes...
JJ
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So far, very well - sticks perfectly, no movement. But let us see the evolution.
Concerning Turkey, thanks for sharing concern, but there is no nervousness from my side. I work in Paris, commute daily with RER B and C lines where bombings took place, visit boulevard Beaumarchais because of the many photo outlets, used Brussels airport shortly after the bombing, went to Tokyo one month after Fukushima blew up (at a time where the Lille orchestra refused to get there), etc.
I have colleagues who lost friends or relatives in Moscow airport (bombing), Brussels metro (ditto), Paris Bataclan (shootout).
I may call myself lucky, but honestly, the majority is lucky here, no comparison with Bagdad or Mossoul. My grandparents experienced two real wars (not to mention independence wars in Vietnam and Algeria) ; I only have to deal with that rampant one. Again, no comparison.
My travelling to Instanbul will not significantly change the odds of falling victim to whatever. I go there to meet good colleagues from Turkish railways, reason enough to share a bit of their daily living and working conditions. When I went to Tokyo after Fukushima, staying about one week, the equation was clear : why should I avoid a one week stay when thirty million people, for all sorts of reasons, will stay there for their entire lives ? same with the earthquake etc. risks. Sure these are serious threats (much more so than the bombings, I guess), but again, why should I refuse to visit people and turn down an invitation on the grounds of irrational fears when themselves are hundreds of times more exposed ? What if my Turkish colleagues would say "nah, we're not coming to Paris, too dangerous a city, and we don't trust the police by the way"? I'd find that very strange, so I guess I'd hurt some feelings if I chickened out.
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Airy, while it has been more than just the matter of the rubber grip, I strongly wish for your (or anyone's) safety trip. That said, (and I'm more concerned than you, but) I would act the same way as you anyway.
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There is no such thing as a local Nikon repair facility in Lille. There are only 1.5 million inhabitants here in the far North (of France, that is to say), so why bother.
Not even sensor cleaning is possible without giving up the camera. French service.
I hear you just had a major football event in Lille and other places. All Nikon and Canon Service people setting up shop in every of these place while the games are running....
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I go there to meet good colleagues from Turkish railways, reason enough to share a bit of their daily living and working conditions.
Hope you'll have nice view from the Haydarpaşa sation, though it's been a bit tuned down since the new Bosphorus tunnel and the change in traffic on the Asian side ! The offices in the rounded corner are gorgeous and they have a very interesting painting of Kemal in a very authoritarian view :) The railway syndicates can be harsher then ours, but open to french guests :o
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Well, we'll meet in the close to that legendary station :)
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Airy, while it has been more than just the matter of the rubber grip, I strongly wish for your (or anyone's) safety trip. That said, (and I'm more concerned than you, but) I would act the same way as you anyway.
Thanks Akira. And may the Big One never happen :)