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Title: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Longhiker on January 24, 2016, 05:35:09
January and February can be a real mixed bag for weather on the coast. Typically there are storms, driving rain, chilly weather, and sometimes a bit of ice. And then, on the odd day here and there, blue skies with moderate temps (50's to 60's) and no wind can be a sudden treat. This last Friday was one of those pleasant days.

Some out of town visitors are staying over for a few days so we decided to take a drive to the coast to see the sights, sample some fine wines at some of the wineries on the way, and have some great seafood for lunch.

I really want the new Fuji long telephoto to help for shots like these as I had to do some pretty severe cropping to focus on what I wanted to show. The 55-200 is a nice lens, but just not enough when the subject is so far away.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Frank Fremerey on January 24, 2016, 09:51:11
Wonderfully dyamic an lively nature shots. Great lighting and framing!
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on January 24, 2016, 11:13:20
I do agree with Frank that the framing of the shots is good. Certainly one gets the impression of wild nature here. However, the cropping leads to a perceivable loss of image quality (an issue that a longer lens probably had solved). The posted images all share a curious dullness in contrast and colours. I have no idea whether the weather conditions, camera technology, or processing, separately or in combination rendered the scenery in this manner. Perhaps there is a mismatch in colour profiles as well? As I already stated, I sense trouble but without the opportunity of pointing the the exact cause.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Seapy on January 24, 2016, 11:49:32
As I already stated, I sense trouble but without the opportunity of pointing the the exact cause.

A little increase in mid-tone contrast helps a lot?

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1581/23950601954_04ee776828_o.jpg)
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on January 24, 2016, 12:04:09
Certainly does, but such adjustmens really need to be carried out early in the processing stage, preferably directly on the RAW files.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Seapy on January 24, 2016, 12:36:30
Certainly does, but such adjustmens really need to be carried out early in the processing stage, preferably directly on the RAW files.

I understand that, about my first visit with an image is to Levels, but just saying...
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on January 24, 2016, 12:51:43
The 'Curves' tool is much more versatile than 'Levels' ...
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Longhiker on January 24, 2016, 17:33:11
Thanks for the advice. I had the same sense of the difficulty with contrast. It was a very flat, overcast day with some haze starting. I am keenly looking at adding a longer lens to my kit. It is sorely missing. Either the Fuji 100-400 or the Nikon 200-500 would help vastly and am painfully aware of this. Unfortunately I had to make some severe crops to focus on the points of interest which really degraded quality, but that's just the way it goes sometimes. My list of desired tools exceeds my working funds. So, I can only add a bit at a time.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on January 24, 2016, 17:44:00
You might try to reprocess a few of your files with the intention of working through Curves tool or similar. Careful processing really can make a difference.

I'm well aware that your dilemma of not having the reach you required is not solved that way, but reprocessing makes one gain experience in how to positively affect the outcome.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Longhiker on January 24, 2016, 17:51:21
Thanks I'll do that. I did work on them a bit, but fell short. There's always so much for me to learn. I'm afraid that some of the really severe crops are just never going to get any better and I'll just have to take another shot at it when I've got a longer lens and the light is a little better. I was using my little X-E1 as it was a fast family sightseeing trip. If I had used my D800, there would have been more material to work with.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Longhiker on January 24, 2016, 19:25:00
Here's another bit of adjustment that hopefully brightens things up a bit.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Frank Fremerey on January 24, 2016, 19:29:15
Bob: which RAW-converter did you use? Since I switched from CaprureNX2 to Photo Ninja I feel my edits get better from the start
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Frank Fremerey on January 24, 2016, 19:33:47
Thanks I'll do that. I did work on them a bit, but fell short. There's always so much for me to learn. I'm afraid that some of the really severe crops are just never going to get any better and I'll just have to take another shot at it when I've got a longer lens and the light is a little better. I was using my little X-E1 as it was a fast family sightseeing trip. If I had used my D800, there would have been more material to work with.

I was talking to a professional from Switzerland who switched from Nikon to Olympus. Her said. With the small formats and less pixels it is all about framing, because there is no leverage to crop.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Longhiker on January 24, 2016, 21:42:01
I use the RAW converter in Photoshop. I'm thinking about trying some others as I've heard the PhotoNinja and Capture One are well thought of.

You're right about no margin for error. With the APS-C sensor at 16 megapixels you have to be careful. I think it does just fine in most cases, it's just that there isn't the room to do severe cropping. Any problems with my photos are not the fault of the hardware or software, but my implementation.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on January 24, 2016, 21:51:58
I hear PhotoNinja is claimed to be  very good with the Fuji RAW files, ACR not so good. I borrowed Sten's X-T1 (when he obviously was in a Fuji cycle within his recurring back-and-forth switching between systems) and ran the RAF files through an earlier version of PhotoNinja with excellent results. However, as my experience in this area is limited, take with a pinch of salt.

PhotoNinja is an idiosyncratic conversion program and the learning curve can be steep in  the beginning. On the flip side it can deliver stunning results unparalleled by other programs.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Longhiker on January 24, 2016, 23:16:17
Any thoughts from anyone about Capture One?
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Seapy on January 24, 2016, 23:18:10
Said to be good, recent improvements I am told make it a contender.

I have chosen the Adobe route since Bibble went.  I feel processing software is a bit like driving down a congested Motorway (Freeway?) deciding which lane to go in is a bit of a lottery BUT, I rarely chose the 'fast' lane because usually it's anything but fast, very often the 'slow' lane gets you there with the least fuss in the end.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Frank Fremerey on January 25, 2016, 09:43:33
Bjørn is right. You need some time to get used to any new software but that is not the whole story.

The Xtrans Sensor Files behave very differently when it comes to rendering color  contrast and sharpening. Just try to edit a Nikon JPEG in parallel to a Fuji JPEG of the same scene. Use curves and unsharp mask, even the Auto Setting to see how
they affect the pictures differently.

I treated myself one year ago with the X100T and have since learned to process Fuji files as well as Nikon files
in PhotoNinja.

Most important for me was to import with completely neutral settings as default. Even the "smart lighting"
In factory pesets can ruin the first impression.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Longhiker on January 25, 2016, 17:44:33
I think I'll give PhotoNinja a try to see the difference. How does PN handle the Nikon RAW files? Adobe Camera Raw has quite a few adjustments for Nikon files with its database of lens types. And the files seem to need it. The Fuji lenses don't seem to need as much correction.
Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on January 25, 2016, 17:48:50
How does PN handle the Nikon RAW files?"

*Very* well in fact. The NEFs just fly through with almost nothing left for me to do with them.

Title: Re: January Drive on the Central Oregon Coast
Post by: Danulon on January 25, 2016, 20:04:57
Quite on the contrary, I am not unhappy with Photoshop/ Lightroom (using the X-100S now and then).
Whichever converter you use, it'l take some practice in order to produce good results, though.

Your mileage might vary, though. De gustibus non est disputandum.

Cheers,
Günther